with the city on the fire and left without power and water for days he spoke with some iraqis who fought against us troops who responded with overwhelming force that i'll go a little while we fought was light and medium weapons. the us forces used wide phosphorus, as well as internationally banned weapons, in agreement with the mayor of flu gym. the football stadium was turned into a cemetery for our martyrs who were in great numbers. the city lost many of its residence, but the us forces failed to break into it. the 1st part of the improvised cemetery was dedicated to the scholars, while the 2nd one served as the grand cemetery, which initially had 4000 bodies, then the number rose to more than 7000 miles. and the most significant violations perpetrated by the us occupation forces were bombarding with white phosphorus, lack of compensation for those affected and raids without warning. someone

a rate occurred and their faces broke into the house. we had to gather all the family in one room. this practice is a violation back then. the occupation forces hit felicia with white phosphorus and uranium. and as a result, we have been suffering from birth defects and illnesses. the city is still paying the price as our main hospital is still treating birth defects to date loss. he continues its coverage of the grim legacy. the u. s. left, interact after its invasion in 2003, was that 2 decades of turmoil in the country. that's around for now. i'm on his feet. scott, me back again. the top of the all with the latest news views and analysis bites here on oxy. thanks for watching. ah i imagine return, see welcome to going underground,

broadcasting all around the world from dubai in the u. e. wait thousands of years for peace deal, and then to come within a few weeks of each other after the saudi arabia, iran, d. o came she gin ping's state visit to moscow, where putin said mutual relations were more than an alliance. so now could a communist party broken piece deal end washington's war on russia through ukraine, or will the export of british depleted uranium to care of an entity blinking warnings against a ceasefire. continue the war to the last ukrainian is russia and china hail their friendship and relations are to reach their highest point in history. i'm joined now from the city that gives its name to a possible rival to nature. the shanghai cooperation organisation by marriage is professor into natural history. politics at the geneva graduate institute in distinguish fellow insta international peace and security thinktank, the stimpson center professor jang, thank jen. thank you so much, professor for coming on. i thought your lie said, i think it's apocryphal, that it was too early to tell. as regards the french revolution at what's going on

. china organizing saudi iran diplomatic deals and then a visit to moscow. huge change. yes, yes, i think this is a long in the making personal i think the basic idea behind is a strategic concept is to united states, particularly united state. but europe can some extent has identified china be systemic royball or kind of cold war language. and basically, thinking about china, these face the last few years as pure 0 sum game anywhere, any place anytime china, again, something will be their loss. now china find a wonderful way of trying to have a brace. yes,

breakthrough many, not just, sir. the, the actual are the piece maybe effort, but also they try to effect public opinion in the world about china's rule in regional regional security issues. they cannot deal with united states any more. be honest, i'm on pile one question on other question. please. much gave up i if, and i'm not equal sasha trace. so they say we can move around. we, you mentioned reputation there. you mentioned reputation was the united states as out of the are amazing, arguable propaganda. department, i mean c, g t, n is banned in nato nations in britain, it's a banner, i'm sure you'll have one with amazement as every usa network as if in a totalitarian state covered the chinese spy balloon. as a, as

a multi $1000000.00 missiles were sent to destroy it. surely, it's a reputation of china in nato countries in the european union and in the united states as an all time low. oh, that's still true. but the, remember the u. s. mentality is something very close to. ah, early 19 fifties. and his hysterical, i must say that it's kind of penny. on where the penny come from. i believe is a deadly combination of 2 historical trains of thinking. populate in the west. now they combine together when it's, whenever they think about china, one is the fear or decline. now remember this whole spangler a philosophy about a decline, the west and united states, including number one for so long,

suddenly phasing the possibility of declining is or spangler ism then combined with a racial concept which has been popular in late 19th century, that is yellow arrow so least 2 things joined together, really frightened, just the american of foreign policy elite and is they were, they think is a real challenge. but the never use the language. i said what they trying to do, but they, they disguise spangler ism, and the yellow peril sentiment with ideological in autocracy versus a democracy. it typical cold war tactic. so it's not even since it, but surely those policy makers in washington realize that the components of, of, for all their technology come from china, the treasury bills, the bond holding ok, it's reduced july china, but china is still as huge invest, trying to pull the rug under the united states economy tomorrow,

surely they understand that. what a question is, why china want to call the rock? china would love to 3, right? oh, snap 40 a. but it was all whatever system american created as long as they can. but a sap latest, they just cut short. no tech war is at the core. but don't forget, all slash wrangler is the 1st person cry wolf in the 1950s. last book, nobody reads it any more about technology. he said, never let slay. remember the hey, gillian languish, masters living relationship. never less flayed to own technology. they were destroy master's ecology so so nothing really new. oh me. it's just a, a history in that repetition. so as is have been there a long time. yeah. yeah. not sure if you know about our f, scott fitzgerald,

the views j. good. the great gatsby about spangler that he was a bit of a fan of his and we know what happened here, that j. gatsby. why does china then? if i, if he knows this, it knows these race, right ropes are being used against them. why does china continue to say facilitates her lank as i am f loan in the past few days rather than through bricks? why is it, i think it's given 500000000 dollars to pakistan. a $100000000.00 to facilitate i m f spending there? yeah. why does china seem to continue to support the bretton woods institutions actually? well they, when they saw it, they tried to support the result of britain was, which is called globalization free trade. remember, china is the last defender almost today. the still try to defend free trade shooting pain, speech center thermals. rob couple years ago, you know, i,

i never saw that. i will see that in my lifetime. chinese come in is the lead it as a leading campaign of fries. and the globalization is u. s. don't forget the original founder of the brazil system, not abandoned the system twice. now, the 1st time that happened in the gold exchange relationship, which is a default on the world now is the 2nd one that happened in globalization. so blame me, china more. that economic problem, it's kind of put a horse before the cart. i don't even logically does not make sense. yeah. but many around the well believe the devil system is predicated on a lie that it's actually have hypocrisy the rains under class schwab. se, institution, and how long will the chinese communist party continue given the sanctions regime that prevents this the dream utopia. globalization that is always spoken of in the endeavors. it was only the other day with ocho of indonesia said beware, it was

a mastercard and visa. well remembered sanctions regime was revived actually, precisely because the u. s. want to abandon the original system on original world order economic order in particular. now, one china can do because china hassling, free writing for so long. therefore, sanctions will heard china quite a lot, but china tried very, very hard to last. i will say start 10 years ago, at least, russian probably start even early. he dollarization this one, you know, concept or rushing. sounds wonderful. it, by the way, the central did not destroy rubel. the price to everybody in the west. china will move in the same direction. eventually, they are selling massively to us and eventually will make r and b, you know,

the more important international currency. so they are parallel to worse at, at this moment, sanction still working l to be able to damage chinese economy. but chinese are only gonna take that glove. oh, now, so to speak, less row, you know less. that's fine. if he, if you want to, because you know, say suffering quite a lot as well. with these sanctions. well, not those who have raj as in arms companies, arguably china, obviously. you're right. you're right. arms companies are the only one. yes. china as you great relations, china's great relation to saudi arabia. we've had people on this show say, look, this talk of di dollarization. it's still in the interest of opec countries to keep the dollar rather than start trading in a say, the remnant be, or you on because in a sense the chinese currency is kind, are pegged to the u. s. dollar anyway, so why bother changing things?

well, it's just a question on survival. this question all flaw a boy the the, what's chinese language? what's called long arm punishments of other countries in many sections. so long inter governmental, now, the whole point about this is i think china try to lay, i'll try to get in more into the i added system, which is, you know, the person was legacy. if they cannot, they only option is to reduce the usage. i don't know whether or not a $1.10 continued to be as strong as it looks. i doubt many economies. so many historians dollar probably going to implode by itself. was this debt problem?

ah, you know, in how much money they, princeton last few years or so it is so they will, i will say american government will pay the price go at dollar in pollution. next few years, the given the disparity wealth in the united states can the american government, the united states government can, they can go on raising interest rates are to protect the dollar regardless of the poverty and the destruction of infrastructure in investment in american industry. narcan con, it was spoken about be honest, i doubt the wrong oregon. all the reagan the agree can nomics try to remember those say, say they can race as high as a 15 percent. another raising interns, race based on the idea you can attract all those states and reagan time off money massively out money in to united states because the hot money talking about diarrhea, oil shakes of everybody else. right?

because they want to take, make money out of that interest difference, right. which was you referred to as the sustain dollar strain. not any more. ah, my sense is that because continental of the u. s. financial system banking system. government finance. it's a totally law is fight. whatever government try to call it, you know, they are reaching a kind of, i believe e less seek are conditions now with the satellite. so i doubt they can play reagan nomics one more time. i just don't see it present. jackline, jenn, i'll stop you that more after this break. ah ah!

[000:00:00;00] a to see how it becomes an engagement. it was the trail when they find themselves well to part, we choose to look for common ground. ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm familiar with professors young engine, chinese international relations scholar and distinguish fellow at the simpson center. i know you say it was a long time coming, but do you think the chinese communist party was watching the defeat in afghanistan as well as the

a rio reaction by russia to re concerted bombing of don bass? are these 2 factors? yeah, the, the catalysts for this, what looks like dramatic foreign policy initiatives, but she didn't bring sure. oh, well can, yes i, i will say so. yes. ah, they really had the certain says need as a shot and troy were, let's see how k all the united states will repeat this. i go, i retreat after so many years, which they of course see rushing or invasion out. i know chinese gum will never use a word i. as a scholar, i will use that word. it is the invasion which there certainly is not abide by international law, but don't forget again. china always sees nato enlargement as a threat,

not only to russia. china also felt pressure when nature start east or expansion in 909798. nobody remembered that episode. how china reacted china almost panic and the time. yeah, but it will, china did when the full mouse media nancy pelosi has to die. one was to do a big drill of him. you know, some people are asking, why doesn't jain era? i don't know, she jin ping visit havana, visit or oh, or do something more than just a big military drill right? no, no, i don't think a timing is right, but don't forget this through this drill is not all the other 3 is a different drill. this is the called, the blah katie strategy. this could be, could be one of the future. i saw a military operation class. this is

a actually provide opportunity for them to really you know, a real fire exercise surrounding how i don't, don't forget, this is the 1st time this is, this blockade could be one of the plans. you see? well, i mean, certainly on fox news, they talk about it work like that. but of course the americans have let they have lots of our personnel apart from all the bases that circle you in shanghai, the u. s. bases 16 people, 16 chinese workers killed in the central african republic as the head of the she visit to moscow. china has a lot of infrastructure that could be bombed. we know that sy hersh revealed the destruction and perhaps the greatest infrastructure terror acts in all history. the gnawed stream pipelines, applying energy to europe. surely china is very vulnerable in latin america and

africa and southeast asia to any kind of cia nord stream style attack. that's possible, thus, as always possible, depending on how much or you know tension will develop between us and china. let's say kids china solid miserably. she against ty, one wheel united states really do a full scale or fair with china. i doubt it. and really, despite biden's full, infamous hum slips there's, we would do it. i don't think u. s. military is ready. you as we know the overall strategy and the even belief in deploying the risk. the only thing and one with allies, something called law. but a quad is really at rather primitive stage. i don't believe they're reaching the level of so called into operability. the coordinate a wool on behalf of taiwan is the president. i hear you. i don't think

we're talking about that when president let me president's i visiting the united states, apparently just in transit on a central american to a short i. they actually discussing us yes, it's a huge issue. this is another major publication. if remover is not just once, it is a who the question who was going to see her if he has any bulletin? well, well, nothing will be in public, will it? it won't be in public o u. s. system that you never, they're never able to keep secrets, don't forget it. so i'm sure it's going to be public if. if a look at the level anthony blinking, that's a major measure. probity. kevin mccarthy? yes, it's a measure one, but it does even one letter below nancy pelosi in terms of provocation because nasdaq lucy, are the same party with immigrant. right. as

a say that democrats government and the kevin is mccarthy, is the opposition part. mccarthy? of course, he won't. you won't go in see zalinski is being attacked in nato nation media. what about japan? right, right. what about, i mean, we've seen about an expansion in the philippines. you're saying, you know, you, leader, i think biden does go for it. we've seen it in the philippines for me. okay. shita in clare. what's that, what is that about as the i m f organizes a 15600000000 dollar deal, which presumably china must have known about because china invest in the i'm of sure. yeah. but a deal is not for military reasons, right? i may have to will never did that deal for military reasons. ah, japan and others. now, i'll fill you face to face. right. in the recent, you knew of a few basic. these are all part of what american called into pacific strategy,

or we knows, i know that i followed very closely the don't forget, i said, is still at relatively primitive stage. they are try to form a strategic encirclement. all contaminants, you know, military intentions are against china by this little it's a slow emotion, but it's there. but i doubt this is really very useful and reserve agent pie one issue. it does not help. it does not help stabilize the taiwan straits at all. so because that could, could you seek mila truly, if you are sitting in beijing i, i'm gonna come on the she to do. i have to wait until watching you slowly to finish your declines. that's what they've been doing the past 20 years. that yes, no, no,

you know the last few years they really speed up. the 20 is they don't have a quarter, they'll have all the other stuff. oh cuz you know with the u. k. so what i'm trying to say is we cannot watch you to do it because we are, we have convinced this is what you going to do to make tie one, a separate political entity forever. that, that is the chinese technician. yeah, despite the usaa directory will never change one china house. they don't even believe they are not changing. not, not to mention chinese. there is 0. a serious communication k one question. now a me, you see, they talk on their home completely different language. they are looking both ways. is something that babs a yeah, i was shown from the i t c. arrest warrant for vladimir putin issued on the eve of the visit by his being to moscow because the usa they would invade holland.

if it is a good, good, good for what kind of l. yeah, for sure. you know, yeah, if we can dispense with the i c, c them. what about the weapon zation of human rights? because as you know, and a given the each in the united states, you must have been aware of the propaganda campaign. a we, and we are actually showed on this program, how the weaker or propaganda story was amplified. as you expect, the weapon is ation of human rights to go on steroids, i should say kareem khan, the i c c lawyers been on his show should we expect more and more stories saying that where you live, where you're speaking to be from shanghai is assess better for human rights violations. i. oh, china always has, you know, we, we know jana has said, very serious human rights problems. it's that we're issue in the sheen gen really qualified as american defied as a genocide. that's

a notice. i don't agree to. i think the policy itself is wise. not really either. i will say i'll criticize both sides, but who is a weaponized human race? that's my question. mainly the western part of the world and that's my sense. and now become a major instrument short. ah, ah, great power to blows. remember doing the original cold war. there is a human rights issue, harrison. you agreement all that. i you never hear the american leaders cow city using chinese companies 40 instead of a full refund for china. ah, yeah, but i mean, arguably the global south doesn't have any language. the global side knows about abu ghraib and the prison on one dynamo that's still open. so i agree that, that kind of, yeah. element really the idea they like the very idea is trying to separate

communist party from p r c yourself. it's a, it's not historical. they don't know of what they're talking about. b is not realistic. in any case, this is invented by people like palm pear. okay. very much so it's become a common language now. the u. s. is either u. s. salinas or using bob. some the european politician use is absurd and cool using human rice issue as a major instruments pull great powered hunting river. i emphasize great politics, great love ology. you need to be pragmatic. you disagree with ideology regimes. they, you know, character, fine. but let's sit down to make a deal to see the ultimate issue is peace, all war. this is something many forgot. europeans certainly, ah, nice face are they are not aware that their mission to have them to jump on american

union that show interpretation of tie one issue. cuz remember, there was always a 2 sized interpretation. if you follow the history of the taiwan questions versus the recent nixon and henry kissinger, well, if the, if the united states is declining, we'll europe die before he and i did the states as a power house of the, of the economy. i mean, i should say europe is paying for this russian war. it's still buying russia. yes. sure. and obviously china is staying for the war by, by asking the sanctions. i don't know where the china was and weapons. you think china will send weapons to russia. i don't think they will send straight so forward . no, i don't. the russians they're going to russia do is no, no, no river is always fall severely for do use ah, how can you define, do, or you insist ascending weapons too, because the russians, so do or use is always possible,

according to the bilateral treaties trade treaty between china, russia, we continue to that. you expect close a nuclear weapons cooperation, already american think tanks are alarmed by the fact raw sat him and the china talking about close cooperation of nuclear weapons. ah, yeah. i saw the one their alarm. remember, before they ask china less have a nuclear talk. now today, the situation, as i say, is into a period of mccarthy's, almost like a mccully. there is a black wife, 0, some eli proposal and made by china. and they have to say, what's the conspiracy behind the and what, what, what struck me that i, i don't know why i'm currently was howard belmar center kennedy school in a nuclear program. if you want to refer to that, i'm very happy because i'm still

a research fellow that we are working on that i'm the one tried to, to track to, you know, if we can't do truck one, let's talk about nuclear issues. but so far, american side are less and they hinged their attitude the whole they push china. so we are really in the situation where communication become almost impossible. centers with full gray power relationship, professors yang jenks. thank you. and that's it for the show. remember, will be bringing you brand new episodes every sunday and monday. so stay tuned. meanwhile, you can keep in touch by all our social media. it's not sensitive in your country and head to our channel going underground tv on rumble dot com to watch. new and old episodes going on the grant. so you sat,

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