thousands, and we have also noticed a large number of pathological conditions, genetic abnormalities in children. my call, they conducted a study proven that the i q level of children born during a number of bowman's, that been to the 1st grade, is significantly lower than that of children of other generations. we don't know what further consequences there will be, but now i've seen more and more rare diseases and genetic abnormalities. dogs, colonial and neil colonial thinkin is still very much alive when us. what rushes ambassador, lodge aaliyah, all should have said to oxy. in an exclusive interview without sees asana, boy co, they also touched upon russia, africa relations. stereotypes on the western model of relations with the continent is a shall preview from your experience, how to african countries that experienced the pressure of colonialism. feel about the wes attempts to push them around. what is their reaction of diving?

in most cases, the response is unconcealed irritation, mostly because african people are well aware of the role our country played in liberating them from colonial bondage. and when they see others trying to label russians as imperialists were to claim that russia wants to plunder the continent, basically trying to shift the blame on us. certainly, the majority of africans feel nothing but discussed and revulsion. and we see that too. i have an impression that lately, despite their stubbornness, which is not unlike the stubbornness displayed by certain other nations, europeans have at last started to realize that a frontal assault, an attempt to bend their african partners to their will by sheer force will not achieve much. still old habits die hard, colonial and neo colonial thinking is still very much alive. it manifests itself in the form of patronizing attitudes, lecturing,

and moralizing insisting that the western model and that model alone should be accepted as a gift from the gods by our african friends. and that the only way to live is by western prescriptions. all these attitudes are, of course, very much alive, obviously, behind this aura of arrogance and false superior already. there is also a basic desire to keep african nations dependent on the west by imposing foreign norms and rules, social and economic models, all in order to maintain western dominance in african markets and to keep african countries politically and economically subservient. ah, ah. wherever you are, thanks very much for watching us all. for now, i'll be back at the top of the hour, but do stay tuned from all great programs coming up there

with hello in. welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i, peter lavelle, speculation swirl about an eminent ukrainian spring counter offensive. it is reported, washington is pushing this lensky regime to start regaining last territory to strengthen its position during future negotiations. it would seem, the russians have their own plants. ah, discuss these issues a more. i'm joined by my guest,

good worked on my son in berlin. he is founder of seriana analysis. and here in moscow we have maxine susco. he's the director of the center for advanced american studies at moscow state institute of international relations. a gentleman crossed up rules and effect, that means he can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate it. let's go to berlin 1st. okay. it's really interesting to the entire course of this conflict here. it's really been just a babble of narrative because all the last couple of weeks, you know, you have the secretary of state blank and you saying in front of congress, well, we know the care of regime wants to go. we take a crimea, but that would be a red line, a bridge too far, no pun intended. but then we hear from other high ranking officials in the western world that you know, we have to do everything we can do to get the ukrainians to be able to move forward on the front and possibly recapture crimea. so i don't know, they tried to fake us out. is this just the fog of war or they just don't know what to do? your thoughts? go ahead. actually, when

a war is sorry sir. dia de narrative warfare is the most important part period is the 1st, the 1st few weeks or few months. and after few months, you cannot really hide what's happening underground. at the beginning of there was the intention to push back all the russian forces from ukraine, and this was the narrative that you're trained can win this war. and they convinced ukraine in march 2022. at that, we will give you all the weapons and ammunition and diplomatic and political support, you need to push back the russian forces in, in your grand. therefore duke renaissance stopped negotiating with the russian side . and they even assassinate that, one of their own diplomats, which was in the delegation negotiating with the russian side. and then zalinski showed the presidential decree criminalizing talking with russia. so there was a push from b natal aside for your plan to go induce war out as much as it takes they say, right? so what does that mean? as long as it takes as much as it takes,

it means that they are using the ukrainians as a meat grinder in dis, for in order to achieve the nato goals. but now it's pretty obvious after one year that they cannot push a rational forces beyond the don't bus region, for example. so how are they gonna do that in crimea? and we have to know in the doctrine of the russian geo politics. you crimea is the most important region in ukraine and if the ukrainians try with the help of nature or to capture a d, a crimea, which means to be in control of the black sea. so that the russians won't have the fleet and a presence on the black sea, that means nuclear warfare. and this is not something that i'm trying to see among, or i have studied geopolitics and i know that during the cold war, the serious of the sea power and the land power. it was, it existed in the cold during the cold war. and now it exists again and the soviet union back then they lost the cold war because they didn't have a strong presence on the waters. and now the russians, they learned this geopolitical mistake and they don't want to be only about also c

powered. therefore, they want to have an axis on the black sand, also on the mediterranean. that's why that's why the president also in syria. so this, your political conflict could look into a wider, i would say, a regional in the european continent. or if the credit's a try to go to it, but if it, if it did though, if it did go, let me go to max here. that would be a choice that nato would be making if they want to expand this conflict. that would be a choice made by the wes lacks. well, since the beginning of the military campaign in ukraine, the special military operation, the u. s. has pursued one of the washington fun to trickles while the fro strategy towards russia. where they saw that on the one hand, they need to deal some blow to russia, political and military. on the other hand, they try to say this narrow path of, you know,

not slipping into the nuclear war with moscow, but with every single sap on this. so called letter of escalation, you know, 1st, you know, and a ton commercials and you go with drones, then you go with tanks and so on, so forth. now we're really climbing to the point where trying to walk this fine line between, you know, dealing low to moscow and, you know, split into engaging itself in this, in this for and risk in a nuclear war is becoming increasingly difficult. so i think the secretary of blanket remarks reflect the concern that the range of options are for the united states that they can do for ukraine without, you know, kind of engaging itself into war. yes is, is increasing christian for the limited. and also i think of something has happened over the past month on the well state, you know,

different the shifts have not moved into u. s. favor. you know, he's trying to negotiate this when this child is in iranian and coming up with their own piece plan. obviously the chinese seek to expand, you know, want to convert their economic, my team to political and diplomatic might. and you see some issues happening in the united states. so all of this put a lot of pressure on the bite administration. and they cannot stay the same worse than they have stayed on over the past 12 months. and with all that, you know, both russia and ukraine seem to be prepared for the spring campaign with a big question of who is going to come up with the counter offensive and, and where exactly on which part of the front. just want to add the one thing that you're respectful, just that the recently declassified. if you feel that the u. k, will supply a depleted uranium to your grain, an army in order to be used against the russian forces. and this is very important

. we have to remember what happened in iraq when a depleted uranium was used extensively there and the bus to fix that occurred for decades now for 2 tickets. the people are born with both of the fixed, but also let's remember in ukraine, they did the areas where just a picture of any would be used if it's used. it consist of 10 percent of the words green and the words wheat. so if these are weeds, farms are poisoned by the depleted uranium. that means 10 percent of the work population could go on hunger. and this is also foods or warfare that is being launch or landing what's really i'm, i'm glad you brought that up because it's a truly extraordinary development. me, this is how much they care about ukraine. this is how much the west cares about your brain. isn't it soil for generations to come? i'd like it just extraordinary. i you know, i want no with future historians will say what kind of regime allows your people to

be use as cannon. fodder and you have your backers. so a soil and destroyer destroy your, your land. i mean, this is, it's almost to the point of madness. i mean, that even america, how can a military victory be achieved when you killed your people and destroyed your land? if it doesn't make any sense to me because, but it's not surprising in serbia, for example, under trump, they burned the wheat fields in syria and we know that the within city is one of the best in the world. and then the u. s. 8, which is one of the branches of the cia, of course they send genetically modified. we to see it's to the farmers into is to assure off the euphrates. so this is not only about your politics about also about controlling the foot basket of the word. and that's one of the reasons why the u. s . ok. patient forces exist in syria because they want to take the oil and the wheat of syria hostage. and then bargain it with the,

the syrian regime or with the russian side before they retro from syria. ok, maxine i'm calling this program spring offensives with an s in there in parentheses because the, the media loves to focus on the cab regime and what they should and shouldn't do. and the machinations inside the presidential powers and all that they love. they're kind of stuff, it's all personality driven. so much policy driven. there's a very little analysis. but in there, there is widely believe that there will be a rush to an offensive in spring and with the partial mobilization in force right now, that is a considerable force when we know that the ukrainian side is having a very strong difficulties and keeping their, their true levels, fly ok with russia isn't even tapped into that yet. so i mean the, when, when we talk about offensive rush and certainly have that possibly that in mind as

well go ahead minutes. i do think that the, the, there's the possibility of the russian offensive or contra fans depending on how you read it. but also, i think we've seen over the past couple of days we, i personally read it as a witness. i intend to build a qualitatively new kind of deterrence against the west with discussion of the deployment of nuclear arms in belarus. i think it's a clear, it's a clear signal and it's clear in terms of the new terms and the west. there's this understanding that the, the terms that russia has used in the past have not worked and it has not deterred the west from engaging into support for key f. so now that is, that card is put on the table. i think food knows, mentioned that know that this new terminal for this storage of the nuclear arms

would have to build july. so this also kind of, if you see a clear timeline, it's not mentioned, you know, just it just for the sake of it that it stands to have some meaning to it. and that's to say that, you know, the west should be careful about increasing its own support and what type of support. again, what were brought up the use of uranium up to potentially that is sure, a big, big concern. so that, that's, that's number one. number 2, it has to do with russia's own actions on the ground. and that, of course we, we don't know how far it may go and where exactly. clearly, i think for now russia 6 to cement the territorial gains it has achieved in the past couple months. the boss, i will not exclude. going back to square one in the sense and bring it out. the

idea of the nasa vacation and the militarization. because these of course are quite the terms, but they're all met. ok, well let's call a spade a spade here. ok. in my humble opinion, denot vacation means that the wind speed regime has to go. that's how i interpreted ok. that's what i was going to say. you can interpret this in multiple ways, including, you know, that the toppling of the regime. but then again, it's just, it's not just lensky and his administration per say. it's a broader concern with different national strokes. and i think so, obviously a lot of you know, under clarity and a lot of vagueness so far. and that's why i think, going back to your 1st question that perhaps make secretary blinking, bring up all this was somewhat inconsistent statements. but it also reflects that

the situation on the ground is that good? that could be intentional. intentional father more it's because he's, you know, who do you rely upon and then you know, it is basically to fake you out. and i think that's all part of this narrative as well gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate. ah ah ah ah

ah ah welcome back across town here. all things are considered either peter bell, this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news. ah or let's go back to berlin. could not get me. another big issue that has happened in the last few days is the reactive is ation of the international criminal court and a potential charges of war, war crimes against russian officials, including the president of the russian federation. how, how is it that you will if this is invoked and i think it's a fake court. it's a kangaroo court to western driven court. they designed to go after the west

enemies. ok. they can wear all the nice robes they want and help carry all the breed cases. but it's still a kangaroo court. how, how can the west nato country support the sport and then potentially be involved in negotiations with russia? i mean, it seems, i mean, they kind of closed out all that we've seen, the ukrainian officials make it illegal to deal with the current government in russia. but it seems like the west is doing the same thing. i mean, you, how can you negotiate with someone that you claim as a war criminal? go ahead. actually, i was in the ice, you see in 2008. and i ask one of the judges about when, are they gonna issue a nervous warrant against the american work criminal? so the politicians who committed oldest were crimes in the middle east. and the answer was like, they're just turning around to the true answer. right. and they don't want to give you an answer for that. and now dicey, just so much of a one year that you shouldn't a restaurant in my opinion. this is,

we can consider this bullet political age politicized decision because it comes just a few days before the chinese president, she chim, bank landed in asia, truly activate diplomacy. and every time that is in one counter trying to play it diplomatic, all in discount to some other parties come and tarnish just attempts right into it in 2022. it was the brits and now it's a pharmacy. the american time we had the we had the israelis as well. i'm in the in dice one for example, against israeli. a post suspect suspects for committing work. crimes has been going on for years. there was no arrest warrants against them for any crimes. to have committed against the palestinians, but this comes also just a few days before, as i mentioned, the chinese mitigation. and let's remember the national security concept spokesperson, drunker b, and secretary of state. they all the fused, the chinese proposal. and in here i ask a question as an observer, ok,

if you refuse the chinese proposal, where is your proposal a proposal for this? so when it comes with before the diplomatic attempt, when the i see the issues that decision and a restaurant and the national security council, the spokesperson of a few of the secretary of state refuses and they sent a picture and up to a friend. that means they're not interested in diplomacy now, and the message has been hurt in my opinion in moscow. so i suspect the irrational fancy would precede any sort of an offensive from the ukraine inside because the decision has been made from the nato side that there is no way to go for negotiations with both them because the icy decision do. do you know what does that mean if put in lance? now, in germany, what's gonna happen if you lance, are they going to arrest? as far as i know, it may be wrong here, but as far as i know, any i indictment, we can call that from the i c c, it's never been rescinded once they say it, they don't take it back. ok. this is

a one way direction here. no man met this, this actually plays into my whole theory of the case is that, you know, i am glad had that the chinese to offer to a potential a piece propose. that's fine. ok. ok, well the president of brazil was going to beijing and he wants to throw his weight and maybe a version of the chinese. i think that's fine. ok, but because there's no rush there is no real interlocutor that is a co belligerent and the west is a co belligerent in this conflict. as much as they deny it, there is not going to be a negotiated. it is going to be a, you know, lateral ending and the russians will call it when they want, where they want. ok, because they have no one to talk to it. and i like to throw in the whole men's process here. why do you talk to politicians in the west that they're just going to lie to you? go ahead mess. well, that makes sense. i mean, it does appear that,

you know, go, she are likely with crane because your brain is not friendly. and independent asher in this conflict and doesn't make sense to negotiate with western patrons. green officials, because all the previous negotiations and all the trust it was any, there was no out of the window. so i don't think you can negotiate it or the table . and i think the u. s. device administration helps a lot in this process because they made it clear. and you don't want this negotiated solution either. so the, they still believe that the russian can, but if it's military, you know, that in a way you've sold the cars to the russian officials to do and you know, shuttle this conflict and produce the security outcomes as they do, you know, relevant to the russian security as far as the u. s. own kind of efforts. i think

we've seen again over the past week the attacks us attacks on iranian roofs, troops in syria, and that followed shortly after, you know, the iranian sell, the no truce if you want to call it in chinese, negotiate at these deal. and it also kind of shows us that there is no solution to any conflict in the world that the us is not a part of that the last will be a problem and not, not a solution which complicates things as far as the i c concert. i read it as yet another blow to another, international organization and other international norm. you know, us as, as much as the trust to worse the dollar currency, the financial markets of the west has been a suburban in the early months of the conflict in the great,

now we see yet another institution of being derailed. and that's just, you know, the reality that we'll live in that is telling us about the crumbling of the existing world order in the shape. you know, something it actually it, sorry, go ahead. what's your, what's not our respect that the guest says it's very, very important. the so called rules based order that the americans brag about, like we're seeing the complete destruction of the international court order. this, for example, for, for the case the i supposed to pick it up is bias. if you didn't use any response against anyone in the united states or the you. now the o, p c, w, in syria, they are able to change the findings and the conclusions of their own scientists or underground on the ground in doom or in syria. and they change it in a way that gives the impression that the syrian army use chemical weapons into my in 2018. we are living in the jungle. and i want to mention this very clear that there are so many people around the world who would disagree with russia,

and it's offensive on your plan. and they would say, probably this is illegal in their understanding of international law. but why would they care you for decades, this international law was not applied on the rest of the work, and they were smashed under the feet of the united states and other imperialist powers around the world. so they are so many people around the world into turn, what contrasts into sauce and congress in actually kind the middle east, they see this as an opportunity for them to be liberated from the american hegemony . so it's not only about russia, if it's about the legality of the rational, sensitive in your brain or not the people around the world are looking for it. so the market pull of words so that they can also please and develop because they are chalk. people need to understand that the nach nation natural resources are being groped now by the americans, whether it's in syria, whether it's in libya and elsewhere. so this people, they don't care now anymore if this offensive are fresh, are actually about to get all the more. so with the destruction of the north stream

pipelines, i mean, the a destroying the natural ha ha ha. and trade of, of 2 countries they were, you know, i don't know, you know, i've always done a really peculiar white america should decide who it's the bill to buy flooding for english from point a to point b in 2 different countries. ok, i think maxime, that i think it's very interesting because i had to say because this is what makes this very dangerous because the, the rules based. ringback order is being showed to be a force in a fraud that it is and, but it's on the other side, you know, we have bricks and we have these other organizations, this whole a concept in, it's not my idea, but an idea of the world beyond the west and i think that's what's happening right now. even the saudis would think of what have you, one of that regime, their national interest. they want, they want, they want room, they want some sunlight between themselves in washington because, you know, they have to take care of their own reach and, and i think with china being dis, a basically non interested. my party did

a remarkable thing and dealing with around and re odd, go ahead mass. so i think it's remarkable how quickly ever as we mount it over the past, you know, 75, a year since the end of the world war 2 has really crumbled, including, you know, the international organizations, the trust source, them the bill order and the that exists at the norms, the institutions, everything. and of course now we see the difference, you know, on the one hand to see russia advocating for the whole, the central world. meaning that in a more power, scanty will say and more, you know, say in the world affairs. and that's not necessarily in rush, just all and interest. right. but it also now works towards the grander goal of great the americanization de westernization of the international system. and it

makes, i mean, the, couldn't you phrase it otherwise, i mean, i just, you know, theoretically speaking i had to, mom is a dangerous thing in an international system because there's no checks on it. the hedge fund gets to do what it wants to do. and in a multiple, the world, you can put checks out of you and you have to build coalitions and all of that. that's why the american hegemony is just simply awful for the international system, because they can overthrow government blow up pipelines to fascinate people. and never be held account and i think will so i think the vital ministration has executed a tremendous lack of subtleness in american. you see that has been, you know, they now it's also kind of remarkable that they're bringing henry kissinger once in a while, as a one of the last standing subtle diplomats that the american tradition has had. because the current generation of people mass, you know, it's not really express the company we have. i think we have 30 seconds of work.

i'd like to give it to you in berlin, finish it out for us, please go ahead. i just want to say that multiple words, the west will chip, it's so called democratic values. the russians and the chinese are not going to intervene in this because the western part will be an essential player in the multi polar words. the russians and the chinese are not trying to keep them out from the international system, so they will be different holes russians and the chinese would be especially a strong park and do the rest of the world can choose which school would they make alliances? there is nothing wrong with sharing a little bit just share a little bit or i didn't saw it. we have one thing, my guess in berlin and here in moscow, and i think our viewers are watching us here, artie. see you next time. remember crosstalk rules. ah, with

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