target the u. s. destruction of its infrastructure. now, when shina spoke before the un security council, they emphasized the need for independent investigations and taking seriously by the international community. what happened to the pipeline, i knew who may be more than half a year has passed since the explosion of the north stream pipelines. it is necessary to continue investigation. international investigation needs to come to a safe result. we hope for progress on the situation. what the security council holds man's responsibility for whatever results we have and how the investigation is going. overall, we saw russia putting forward a resolution simply calling for an international investigation to determine what happened with the nordstrom to pipeline. but yet that resolution was not passed successfully, even though no country voted against it. russia resolution was defeated and there won't be a un probe into the destruction of the north stream to pipeline for more of the

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ah, i imagine return, see welcome to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from dubai in the u. e. wait thousands of years for peace deal, and then to come within a few weeks of each other after the saudi arabia, iran, d. o came she gin pings, state visit to moscow, where putin said mutual relations were more than an alliance. so now could de communist party broken piece deal end washington's war on russia through ukraine, or will the export of british depleted uranium to care of an entity blinking warnings against a ceasefire. continue the war to the last ukrainian is russia and china hail their friendship and relations are to reach their highest point in history. i'm joined now from the city that gives its name to

a possible rival to nature. the shanghai cooperation organisation by emeritus professor into natural history and politics at the geneva graduate institute and distinguish fellow institute international peace and security. thinktank the simpson center. professor. jang, thank jim. thank you so much, professor for coming on. i thought your lie said, i think it's apocryphal, that it was too early to tell. as regards the french revolution at what's going on . china organizing saudi iran diplomatic deals and then a visit to moscow. huge change. yes, yes, i think this is a long in the making personal i think the basic idea behind is a strategic concept is to united states, particularly united state. but europe can some extent has identified china be systemic rival or you know, kind of a cold war language. and basically, thinking about china these days,

the last few years. sure. 0 sum game anywhere, any place, anytime china, again, something will be their loss. now china find a wonderful way of trying to have a brace. yes. break. sure many, not just, sir. the, the actual are the piece maybe effort, but also they tried to effect public company in the world about china's rule in regional regional security issues. they cannot deal with united states any more. be honest. i'm on pile one question on other question. please much game of i if i'm that i'm not equal saturdays are so they say we can move around. we, you mentioned reputation there. you mentioned reputation was the united states as

out of the are amazing, arguable propaganda. department. i mean c, g t, n is banned in nato nations in britain, it's a banner. i'm sure you'll have one with amazement as every usa network as if in a totalitarian state. covered the chinese spy balloon as a, as a multi $1000000.00 missiles were sent to destroy it. surely, it's a reputation of china in nato countries in the european union and in the united states as an all time low. oh, that's still true. but remember the u. s mentality is something very close to. ah, early 19 fifties. and his hysterical, i must say that it's kind of penny. on where the penny come from. i believe is a deadly combination of 2 historical trains of thinking.

populate in the west. now they combine together when it's, whenever they think about china, one is the fear or decline. not remember this whole spangler no philosophy about a decline. the west and united states simply being number one for so long. suddenly phasing the possibility of because of declining is or spangler ism then combined with a racial concept which has been popular in late 19th century, that is yellow arrow. so least 2 things joined together really frightens the american of foreign policy elite. and is they were, they think is a real challenge, but never use the language. i said what they trying to, to do. but they, they disguise spangler ism, and the yellow peril sentiment with ideological in autocracy versus

a democracy. it typical cold war tactic, though, it's not even since it, but surely those policy makers in washington realize that the components of, of all their technology come from china, the treasury bills, the bond holding ok. it's reduced july china, but china still has huge invest, trying to pull the rug under the united states economy tomorrow. surely they understand that. what a question is, why china want to call the rock? china would love to 3, right? oh, snap 40 a. but it was all whatever system american created as long as they can. but a sab latest, they just cut short. no tech war is at the core. but don't forget, all slash wrangler is the 1st person cry wolf in the 1950s. last book, nobody reads it any more about technology. he said, never let slay. remember the hey, gillian languish,

masters living relationship. never less late to own technology. they were destroy masters ecology so nothing really new. oh me, it's just a, a history in there, a repetition. so as it's have been there a long time. yeah, yeah. not sure of you know, by the f, scott fitzgerald, the views j. good. the great gatsby about spangler that he was a bit of a fan of his and we know what happened there. that j gatsby, why does china then? if i, if he knows this, it knows these race, right? tropes are being used against them. why does china continue to say facilitates her lank as i am afloat in the past few days rather than through bricks? why is it, i think it's given $500000000.00 to pakistan, 500000000 dollars to facilitate i m f spending there. why does china seem to continue to support the bretton woods institutions actually?

well they, when they saw it, they tried to support the result of britain was, which is called globalization free trade. remember china? so the last defender almost today, the still try to defend free trade shooting, paying speech at thermals a couple of years ago. you know, i never saw that, i will see that in my lifetime. chinese come in is deleted as a leading campaign of fries and the globalization. it is u. s. don't forget the original founder of the brazil system, not abandoned the system twice. now the 1st time the band and the gold exchange relationship, which is a default on the world now is the 2nd one, the abandoned globalization. so blame me, china more. that economic problem. it's kind of put a horse before the cot. i don't even logically does not make sense. yeah. but many

around the world believe the devil system is predicated on a lie that it's actually a hypocrisy that it rains under class, robs a institution. and how long will the chinese communist party continue given the sanctions regime that prevents this the dream utopia. globalization that is always spoken of in the, in davis, it was only the other day with ocho of indonesia said, beware of was a mastercard. and visa, well remembered a sanctioned regime, was revived, actually, precisely because the u. s. want to abandon the original system on original world order economic order in particular. now, what china can do because china hassling, free writing for so long. therefore, sanctions will heard china quite a lot, but china tried very, very hard to last. i will say start 10 years ago, at least,

russian probably start even earlier. he dollarization this one, you know, concerned it will. russians have done wonderful it by the way, the central did not destroy rubel. the price to everybody in the west. china will move in the same direction. eventually, they are selling massively, the u. s. and eventually will make r and b, you know, the more important international currency. so they are preparing all the words and at this moment sanctioned still working l to be able to damage chinese economy. but chinese are more lea a take that glow? oh, now. so to speak less row, you know, less, less fine if you, if you want to. because you know, say soccer quite a lot as well. with these sanctions. well, not those who have raj as in arms companies. arguably china, obviously you're right. you're right. arms companies are the only one. yes. china

as you great relations, jane has great relations with saudi arabia. we've had people on this show say, look, this talk of di dollarization. it's still in the interest of opec countries to keep the dollar rather than start trading in a say, the remnant be, or you on because in a sense the chinese currency is kind of pegged to the u. s. dollar. anyway, so why bother changing things? well, it's just a question on survival. this question also avoid the, the, what's chinese language, what's called long arm punishments of other countries. many sections are long inter governmental. now, the whole point about this is, i think china try to lay, i'll try to get in more into the i added system, which is theory, you know,

the britain was legacy. if they cannot, they only option is to reduce the usage of don't know whether or not a dollar can continue to be as strong as it looks. i doubt many economy. so many historians dollar probably going to implode by itself. was this debt problem? ah, you know, in how much money they prince last few years or so is so they will, i will say american government will pay the price go a dollar in pollution. next few years, the given the disparity wealth in the united states can the american government, the united states government can, they can go on raising interest rates are to protect the dollar regardless of the poverty and the destruction of infrastructure in investment in american industry. narcan con, it was spoken about be honest, i doubt it wrong. oh reagan, all,

the reagan, the greek and nomics tried to remember those say, say they can race as high as the 15 percent miller raising interest race based on the idea you can attract. what those say, st. regan time off money massively. oh, money in to united states because these hot money call him out badly, all your shakes up, everybody else. right? because they want to take make money. although the interest different. right. which was you referred to as the sustain dollars strain. not any more. ah, my sense is that because continentals of the u. s. financial system banking system, government a finest. it's a totally law, despite whatever government try to call it, you know, they are reaching a kind of, i believe, a less seeks or conditions. now was this a dollar? so i doubt they can play reagan nomics one more time. i just don't see it present.

jacqueline jenn, i'll stop you there. more after this break. ah, speculation swirl about an eminent ukrainian spring counter offensive is reporting washington is pushing the zalinski regime to start regaining loss territory to strengthen position during future negotiations. it would seem the russians have their own plan ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professors young jin chinese international relations colored distinguish fellow at the simpson center. i know you say it was a long time coming, but do you think the chinese communist party was at watching the defeat in afghanistan as well as the via reaction by russia

to create inserted bombing of don bass. are these 2 factors? the catalysts for the what looks like dramatic foreign policy initiatives, by changing paying sure. ah, well can, yes, i will say so. yes. and they really had the surgeon says the usa shot and troy. well, let's see how k all the united states, to repeat this, sy, go a retreat after so many years, which they of course, the rushing or invasion out. i know chinese government never use that word. i. as a scholar, i will use that word. it is the invasion, which certainly is not abide by international law, but don't forget again. china always sees nato enlargement as a threat, not only to russia. china also felt the pressure when nature start east or expansion

in $99798.00. nobody remembered that episode. how china reacted china almost panic and the time. yeah. but it will shine it did when the full mouth. sweet. yeah. nancy pelosi has to die. one was to do a big drill of him. you know, some people were asking, why doesn't china? i don't know, she jin ping visit havana, visit havana or, or do something more than just a big military drill. right? no, no, i don't think a timing is right. but don't forget this through. this drill is not all the other 3 is a different drill. this is called the blah katie strategy. this could be, could be one of the future. i saw a military operation class. this is a actually provide the opportunity for them to really there you know,

a real fire exercise a surrounding how i don't, don't forget, this is the 1st time this is b blockade could be one of the plans you see? well, i mean, certainly on fox news, they talk about it hook like that, but of course the americans, i love it, they have lots of personnel apart from all the bases that circle you in chang, i the u. s. bases 16 people, 16 chinese workers killed in the central african republic ahead of the she visit to moscow. it, china has a lot of infrastructure that could be bombed. we know that sy hersh revealed the destruction perhaps the greatest infrastructure terror acts in all history. the gnawed stream pipelines, applying energy to europe. surely china is very vulnerable in that, in america, in africa and southeast asia to any kind of cia nord stream style attack.

that's possible, thus, as always possible, depending on how much or you know tension will develop between us and china. let's say just china solid miserably. she against ty, one wheel united states really do a full scale or fair with china. i doubt it really is slight biden's, full infamous comes slips. there's the we would do it. i don't think the u. s. military is ready. you as we know the overall strategy and even believe in deploying or if they only thing one with allies, something called law. but a quad is really as rather primitive stage. i don't believe they are reaching the level of so called into operability. the co ordinate a wool on behalf of taiwan is in president sy easier. we're talking about that when president let me president's i visiting the united

states, apparently just in transit on a central american to a sure i they actually discussing us. yes, it's a huge issue. this is another major publication. if remember, it's not just transit. it's a who the question who was going to see her if he had anthony lincoln. well, well nothing will be in public. will it? it won't be in public. ah, let us system that you never, they're never able to keep secrets. don't forget it. so i'm sure it's going to be public if. if it was at the level anthony bulletin. that's a measure measure provocative. kevin mccarthy? yes, it's a measure one, but it does even one letter below nancy pelosi in terms of provocation because nancy pelosi are the same party with immigrant. right. and so say that democrats

government and the kevin is mccarthy, is the opposition part mccarthy? of course, he won't. you won't go in and see zalinski is being attacked in nato nation media. what about japan? right, right. what about, i mean, we've seen about an expansion in the philippines. you're saying, yeah, you know, usually the rank biden does go for it. we've seen it in the philippines for me. okay. shita in clare of. what's that? what is that about as the i m f organizes a 15600000000 dollar deal, which presumably china must have known about because china invest in the i'm of sure. yeah. but a deal is not for military reasons, right? i little will never get that deal for military reasons for japan and others. now, i'll fill you face to face, right? in the recent, you know, of a few basic these are all part of what american called into pacific strategy. well, we know, i know that i follow very closely. the don't forget, i said,

is still relatively creative stage. they are try to form a strategic encirclement. all contaminant military intentions are against china file this little it's a slow emotion but it's there. but i doubt this is really very useful and reserve even pie one issue. it does not help. it does not help stabilize the taiwan straits at all. so because that could you seek militarily. if you are sitting in beijing i, i'm the come on the she to do. i have to wait until watching you slowly to finish your deployment. that's what they have been during the past 20 years. that yeah, no, no, you know the last few years they really speak up with 20 is they don't have caught

that. i don't have all the other stuff. oh chris, you know with the u. k. so what i'm trying to say is we cannot watch you to do it because we are, we have convinced this is what you going to do to make it. i won a separate political entity forever that that is a chinese tech leash yet. despite the usaa directory will never change one china house. they don't even believe they are not changing. not, not mentioned chinese. there is 0. a serious communication tie. one question now. i mean, you see they talk on their home completely different language. yeah. looking both ways is something that babs, yeah, i was shown from the i t c. arrest warrant for vladimir putin issued on the eve of the visit or a drink or moscow because the usa they would invade holland. if it is a good, good, good for book under melia for sure. you know?

yeah, if we can dispense with the i c. c, them, what about the weapon? a zation of human rights? because as you know, and a given the, each in the united states, you must have been aware of the propaganda campaign. we and we are actually showed on the program how the weaker or propaganda story was. amplified as you expect, the weapon is ation of human rights to go on steroids, i should say kareem khan, the i c c lawyers been on his show should we expect more and more stories saying that where you live, where you're speaking to be from shanghai is assess better for human rights violations. ah, ah, china always have, you know, we, we know jana has said, very serious human rights problems. it's, we're israel industry and really qualified as american defied as a genocide. that's a notice. i don't agree to. i think the policy itself is wise. not

really either. i will say, i'll criticize both sides. but who is a webinar using human rights? that's my question. mainly the western part of the world, and that's my sense. now become a major instrument, short gray power to blows. remember during the original cold war, there is a human rights issue, harrison here agreement. all that. you never hear the american leaders house the using chinese come is 40 instead of people reform for china. ah, yeah. but i mean, arguably the global south doesn't have any language. the global side knows about abu ghraib and the prison on guantanamo. that's still open. so i can agree that, that kind of, yeah. element really the idea that the very idea is trying to separate communist party from p r c yourself. it's a,

it's not historical. they don't know of what they're talking about. b is not realistic. in any case, this is invented by people like palm pear. okay? very much so it's become a common language now. av a u. s. as either you or salinas are using ab some the european politician use is absurd and cool using human rice issue as a major instruments pull great power haunting her. i emphasize great politics, great love ology. you need to be pragmatic. you disagree with ideology regimes that you know, character mine. but let's sit down to make a deal to see the ultimate issue is piece all war. this is something many forgot. european certainly, ah, nice face are they are not aware that their mission to have them to jump on american union leg show interpretation of taiwan issue. because remember,

there was always a 2 size interpretation. if you follow the history of the taiwan questions versus the recent nixon and henry kissinger, well, if the, if the united states is declining, we'll europe die before he and i did the states as a power house of the, of the economy. i mean, i should say europe is paying for this russian war. it's still buying russian as yes. sure. and obviously china is saying for the war by, by asking the sanctions, i don't know where the china was and weapons do you think china will send weapons to russia? i don't think they will send straight so forward. now, i don't, the russian either going to russia do is no, no, no river is always possibility for do use ah, how can you define, do, or use this ascending weapons to because the russians, so do or use is always possible as, according to the bilateral treaties trade treaty between china, russia,

we continue. do you expect close to nuclear weapons cooperation, already american think tanks are alarmed by the fact raw sat him and the china talking about close cooperation of nuclear weapons. ah, yeah. i saw the on their alarm. they remember before they asked china less have a nuclear talk. now today, the situation, as i say, is into a period of mccarthy's, almost like mccully. there is a black wife, 0. some. eli proposal a made by china and they have to say, what's the conspiracy behind it? you know what, what, what's driving that? oh, i don't know why i'm currently was howard belmar center kennedy school in a nuclear program. if you want to refer to that, i'm very happy because i'm still a research fellow that we are working on that i'm the one tried to, to track to,

you know, if we cannot do truck one, let's talk about nuclear issues. but so far, american side are less and they hinged their attitude the whole they po shy. so we are really in the situation where communication become almost impossible. centrist was full gray power relationship. professor jang jink, thank you. and that's it for the show. remember, will be bringing you brand new episodes every saturday monday. so state you meanwhile, you can keep in touch by all our social media. it's not sent said in your country and had to our channel going on to run tv on rumble, dot com to watch new and old episodes going on the grant. so you sat ah ah,

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