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hello in welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i and peter lavelle speculation swirl about an eminent you pray me in spring counter offensive . it is reported, washington is pushing this uminski regime to start regaining lost territory to strengthen its position during future negotiations. it would seem the russians have their own plants. ah, to discuss these issues a more i'm joined by my guess. good worked on my son in berlin. he is founder of seriana analysis. and here in moscow we have maxine susco. he is the director of the center for advanced american studies at moscow state institute of international relations. i gentleman crossed up rules and effect. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. let's go to berlin 1st. okay. it's really interesting for the entire course of this conflict here. really been just

a battle of narratives because over the last couple of weeks, you know, you have the secretary of state blink and saying in front of congress, well, we know the care regime wants to retake crimea, but that would be a red line bridge to bar no pun intended, but then we hear from other high ranking officials in the western world that we have to do everything we can do to get the ukrainians to be able to move forward on the front and possibly recapture crimea. so i don't know, are they trying to face this out? is this just the fog of war, or they just don't know what to do. your thoughts? go ahead. actually, when a war is sorry sir. dia, the narrative warfare is the most important period. is this the 1st few weeks or few months, and after few months, you cannot really hide what's happening underground at the beginning of there was the intention to push back all the russian forces from ukraine, and this was the narrative that you're trained can win this war and they convinced

ukraine in march 2022. at that we will give you all the weapons and ammunition, and diplomatic and political support. you need to push back the russian forces in, in your grand. therefore duke renaissance stopped negotiating with the russian side, and they even assassinate that, one of their own diplomats, which was in the delegation negotiating with the russian side. and then zalinski showed the presidential decree criminalizing talking with russia. so there was a push from b natal aside for your grant to go in this war as much as it takes they say, right? so what does that mean? as long as it takes as much as it takes, it means that they are using the ukrainians as a meat grinder in dis, for in order to achieve the nato goals. but now it's pretty obvious after one year that they cannot push russian forces beyond the don't bus region, for example. so how are they gonna do that in crimea? and we have to know in the doctrine of the russian geo politics. crimea is the most important region in ukraine and if the ukrainians try with the help of nature or to

capture a d, a crimea, which means to be in control of the black sea. so that the russians won't have the fleet and a presence on the black sea, that means nuclear warfare. and this is not something that i'm trying to see among, or i have studied geopolitics and i know that during the cold war, the serious of the sea power and the land power. it was, it existed in the cold during the cold war. and now it exists again and the soviet union back then they lost the cold war because they didn't have a strong presence on the waters. and now the russians, they learned this geopolitical mistake and they don't want to be only a land po about also see power. therefore they want to have an axis on the black sand also on the mediterranean. that's why that's why the, their president also in syria. so this, your political conflict could develop into a wider, i would say, a regional in the european continent, or if the credit's a try to go to it. but if it, if it did though it did go,

let me go to max here. that would be a choice that nato would be making if they want to expand this conflict. that would be a choice made by the wes max. well, since the beginning of the military campaign in ukraine, the special military operation, the u. s. has pursued. well, the washington fun to trickle boil the strategy towards russia, where they saw that on the one hand they need to deal some blow to russia, political and military. on the other hand, they try to say this narrow path of, you know, not slipping into the nuclear war with moscow, but with every single sap on this so called letter of escalation. you know, 1st, you know, and a ton commercials. then you go with drones, then you go with tanks and, and so on, so forth. now we're really climbing to the point where trying to walk this fine

line between, you know, dealing low to moscow and, you know, sleep in to engaging itself in this, in this for and risk in a nuclear war is becoming increasingly difficult. so i think the secretary blinking remarks reflect at least concerned that the range of options are for the united states that they can do for ukraine without, you know, kind of engaging itself into war. yes, this is increased is increasingly limited. and also i think something has happened over the past 2 months on, well state, you know, different shifts have not moved into us favor, you know, he's fine any, go, she miss when this child is in iranian and coming up with their own piece plan. obviously, the chinese to expand, you know, want to convert their economic, my tend to political and diplomatic might. and you see some issues happening in the united states. so all of this put a lot of pressure on the bite administration. and they cannot stay the same worse

than they have stayed on over the past 12 months. and with all that, you know, both russia and ukraine seem to be prepared for the spring campaign with a big question of who is going to come up with the counter offensive and, and where exactly, on which part of the front. i just want to add the one thing that you're respectful guessed that the recently declassified, if you feel that the u. k, will supply a depleted uranium to your grain, an army in order to be used against irrational courses. and this is very important . we have to remember what happened in iraq when a depleted uranium was used extensively there and the bus to fix that occurred for decades now for 2 tickets. people are born with both of the fixed but also let's remember in ukraine, the areas where just a picture of any will be used if it's used. it consist of 10 percent of the words

green and the words wheat. so if these are weeds, farms are poisoned by the depleted uranium. that means 10 percent of the work population could go on hunger. and this is also foods are warfare that is being launched or landing, what's really room. i'm glad you brought that up because it's a truly extraordinary development. me. this is how much they care about you. crane . this is how much the west cares about your brain. isn't it? soil for generations to come? i'd like it just extraordinary. i, you know, i want no with future historians will say, what kind of regime allows your people to be used as cannon fodder and you have your backers, so a soil and distress destroy your, your land. i mean, this is, it's almost to the point of madness. i mean, that even america, how can the military victory be achieved when you've killed your people and destroyed your land? if it doesn't make any sense to me,

he goes. but it's not surprising in serbia, for example, under trump, they burned the wheat fields in syria, and we know that the within city is one of the best in the world. and then the u. s . 8, which is one of the branches of the ca, of course they send genetically modified wheat. see it's to the farmers into is the sure of the euphrates. so this is not only about your politics about also about controlling the foot basket of the word. and that's one of the reasons why the u. s . ok. patient forces exist in syria because they want to take the oil and the wheat of syria hostage and then bargaining with the, the syrian regime or with the russian side before they re truck on syria. okay, man, you know, i'm calling this this program spring offensives with an s in there in parentheses because the, the media loves to focus on the cam bridge game and what they should and shouldn't do. and the machinations inside the presidential powers and all that. they love

that kind of stuff, it's all personality driven. so much policy driven. there's a very little analysis. but in there, there is widely believe that there will be a rush to an offensive in spring and with the partial mobilization in force right now, that is a considerable force when we know that the ukrainian side is having a very strong difficulties and keeping their, their true levels high. ok. russia isn't even tapped into that yet. so i mean, the, when, when we talk about offensive russian certainly have that. possibly that in mind as well. go ahead minutes. i just think that the, the, there's the possibility of the russian offensive or contra fans, depending on how you read it. but also, i think we've seen over the past couple of days we, i personally read it as a witness. i intend to build a qualitatively new kind of deterrence against the west with

discussion of the deployment of nuclear arms in belarus. i think it's a clear, it's a clear signal and it's clear in terms of the new terms and the west. there's this understanding that the, the deterrence that russia has used in the past have not worked and it has not deterred the west from engaging into support for t f. so now that is, that current is put on the table. i think was mentioned that you know, that this new terminal for this is storage of the nuclear arms would have to build july is. so this also kind of, if you see a clear timeline, it's not mentioned, you know, just it just for the sake of it that it stands to have some meaning to it. and that's to say that, you know, the west should be careful about increasing its own support and what type of

support, again, with brought up the use of uranium up to potentially that is sure, a big, big concern. so that, that's, that's number one. number 2, it has to do with rushes on actions on the ground. and that, of course we, we don't know how far it may go and where exactly. clearly, i think for now russia 6 to cement the territorial gains it has achieved in the past couple months. the boss, i will not exclude. going back to square one in the sense and bring it out. the idea of the nasa vacation and the militarization. because these of course are quite the terms, but that old i mean met. ok. well let's call a spade a spade here. ok. i think my humble opinion, denot vacation means that the wind speed regime has to go. that's how i interpreted

ok. that's what i was going to say. you can interpret this in multiple ways, including, you know, that the, the toppling of the regime. but then again, it's just not just lensky and his administration per say. it's a broader concern with different national strokes and i think so obviously a lot of you know, under clarity and a lot of vagueness so far. and that's why i think, going back to your 1st question that perhaps make secretary blinking. bring up all this for someone inconsistent statements, but it also reflects that the situation on the ground is that good? that could be intentional. intentional father more it's because this, you know, who do you rely upon? and then, you know, it is basically to fake you out and i think that's all part of this on narrative as well gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate authority. ah,

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somebody with a robot must protect its own existence with a welcome back across town where all things are considered on peter la bell, this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah let's go back to berlin. i mean, another big issue it has happened in the last few days is that the reactive is ation of the international criminal court and a potential charges of war, war crimes against russian officials, including the president of the russian federation. how,

how is it that you way if this is in vogue and i think it's a fake court. it's a kangaroo court to western driven court. it's designed to go after the west enemies. ok. they can wear all the nice robes they want and help carry all the breed cases. but it's still a kangaroo court. how, how can the west, the nato countries support the sport and potentially be involved in negotiations with russia? i mean, it seems, i mean, the kind of close that off that we've seen, the ukranian officials make it illegal to deal with the current government in russia. but it seems like the west is doing the same thing. i mean, you, how can you negotiate with someone that you claim as a war criminal? go ahead. actually, i was in the ice, you see in 2008. and i ask one of the judges about when, are they gonna issue an arrest warrant against the american war criminals? so the politicians who committed oldest were crimes in the middle east. and the answer was just like they're just turning around to the true answer. right. and

they don't want to give you an answer for that. and now dicey and just so much of a one year the issue, the restaurant, in my opinion, this is we can consider this bullet bulletin, sage hope politicized decision because it comes just a few days before the chinese president, she came bank landed in russia. truly activate diplomacy and every time there isn't one counter trying to play it so much a quote in discount. some other parties come and tarnish just attempts right into it in 2022. it was the brits and now it's our parents did the american time. we had the we had the israelis as well. i'm in the, the enticement, for example, against israeli. a suspect suspects for committing work. crimes has been going on for years. there was no arrest romance against them or for any crimes, to have committed against the palestinians. but this time, also just a few days before, as i mentioned, the chinese mission. and let's remember the national security constant spokesperson,

drunker b, and secretary of state. they all the fused, the chinese proposal. and here i ask a question as an observer. ok if you refuse the chinese proposal. where is your proposal? a proposal for this? so when it comes before the district romantic attempt, when the icy issues of decision and a restaurant and the national security council, the spokesperson, very few is the secretary of state to be fuses. and they sent a picture and up to your friend. that means they're not interested in diplomacy now, and the message has been hurt in my opinion in moscow. so i suspect the russian offensive would precede any sort of an offensive from the ukrainian side because the decision has been made on benito said that there is no way to go for negotiations with put in because the i see decision do it. do you know what does that mean if put in lines now in germany, what's gonna happen if he lands here? are they gonna arrest? as far as i know, i may be wrong here, but as far as i know, any,

an indictment, we can call that from the i c c, it's never been rescinded once they say it, they don't take it back. ok. this is a one way direction here. you know, man met this, this actually plays into my whole theory of the case is that, you know, i am glad that the chinese have a offered a potential apiece propose. that's fine. okay. um, we are the president of brazil is going to beijing and he wants to throw his weight in and maybe another version of the chinese. i think that's fine. okay, but because there's no rush, there is no real interlocutor that is a co belligerent and the west is a co in this conflict. as much as they deny it, there is not going to be a negotiated. it is going to be a unilateral ending, and the russians will call it when they want, where they want. ok, because they have no one to talk to it. and i'd like to throw in the whole men's

process here. why do you talk to politicians in the west if they're just going to lie to you? go ahead mass. well, that makes sense. i mean, it doesn't, it doesn't appear that, you know, go, she are likely with your crime because your brain is not friendly. and independent actor in this conflict and it doesn't make sense to negotiate with western patrons, premium officials, because all the previous negotiations and all the trust it was any. there was no windows. so i don't think you can negotiate with the table. and i think the u. s. device ministration helps a lot in this process because they made it clear. and you don't want this negotiated solution either. so the, they still believe that the russian can benefit it militarily. that in a way you sold cars to the russian officials to do and you know, shuttle this conflict and produce the security outcomes as they do, you know,

relevant to the russian security. as far as the, the u. s. own kind of efforts. i think we've seen again over the past week, the tax usaa tax on iranian troops in syria and that fall shortly after, you know, the iranian cell, the know truce if you want to call it in china, negotiate these deal. and it also kind of shows us that there is no solution to any conflict in the world that us is not a part of that. the west will be a and not at nice solutions which complicates think as far as the eye sees concerned. i read it as yet another blow to yet another international organization and other international norm. you know, us as much as the trust to worse the dollar currency at the financial

markets of the west has been a suburban in the early months of the conflict in the great, now we see yet another institution of being derailed. and that's just, you know, the reality that will live in that is telling us that all the crumbling of the existing world order and the shape, you know, something it actually amateurish that, sorry, go ahead. jump in. what's your, what's, what's our respect that the guest says it's very, very important that the so called rules based order that the americans brag about. like we're seeing the complete destruction of the international court order. this, for example, for, for decades the, i suppose to pick it up is basically didn't show any response against anyone in the united states or do you now obviously w in syria. they are able to change the findings and the conclusions of their own scientists were underground on the ground in doing my in syria. and they change it in a way that gives the impression that the syrian army used chemical weapons into my

in 2018. we're living in a jungle. and i want to mention this very clear that there are so many people around the world who would disagree with russia and it's offensive on your grant. and they would say, probably this is illegal in their understanding of international law. but why would they care if, for decades, this international law was not applied on the rest of the work, and they were smashed under the feet of the united states and other imperialist powers around the world. so they are so many people around the world in the 3rd world, countries in the sauce and countries in africa in the middle east. they see this as an opportunity for them to be liberated from the american hegemony. so it's not only about russia, it's about the legality of the russian offensive in your brain or not. the people around the world are looking forward to the market full of words so that they can also beat and develop because they are chalk. people need to understand that they've nach nation. natural resources are being groped not by the americans, whether it's in syria, whether it's in libya and elsewhere. so this people,

they don't care now anymore if this offensive are specially america all the more. so with the destruction of the north stream pipelines, i mean, it's a destroying the natural flow and trade of 2 countries that were, you know, i don't know, you know, i've always done to really be q u y america should decide who gets the bill to by flying from point a to point b in 2 different countries. ok, i think maxime, that i think it's very interesting because i had to say, because this is what makes this very dangerous because the, the rules based order is being showed to be a forest and a fraud that it is. and, but it's on the other side, you know, we have bricks and we have these other organizations, this whole concept in it's not my idea with an idea of the world beyond the west. and i think that's what's happening right now. even the saudis would think of, but if you want that regime there are national interests. they want, they want, they want room, they want some sunlight between themselves in washington because,

you know, they have to take care of their own region. and i think with china being a, basically a non interested party did a remarkable thing in dealing with surround rashad. go ahead meds. so i think it's remarkable how quickly ever get in that class when mounted over the past, you know, 7580 years since the end of the world war 2 has really crumbled, including, you know, the international organizations, the trust source and the world order. and the that exists at the norms, the situations, everything. and of course now we see different, you know, on the one hand, russia advocating for the whole, the central world. meaning that in a more power, scanty will say more, you know, say in the world affairs. and that's not necessarily in rush, just own interest, right. but it also now works towards the grander goal of g d, americanization,

the westernization of the international system and the max, i mean the, couldn't you phrase it otherwise? i mean, i just, you know, theoretically speaking, i had to, mom is a dangerous thing in an internet international system because there's no checks on it. the hedge fund gets to do what it wants to do in a multiple, the world usually puts checks out of you, you and you have to build coalitions. and all of that. that's when the american hegemony is just simply awful for the international system because they can overthrow government blow up pipelines to fascinate people and never be held account. and i think, well, so i think the, the bible ministration has executed a tremendous lack of subtleness in american. you see that has been, you know, they now it's also kind of remarkable that they're bringing henry kissinger once in a while, as a one of the last standing subtle diplomat that the american tradition has had.

because the current generation of people mass no, it's not really express the company we have. i think we have 30 seconds of work. i'd like to give it to you in berlin, finish it out for us, please go ahead. i just want to say that multiple words, the west will chip, it's so called democratic values. the russians and the chinese are not going to intervene in this because there were some parts will be an essential player in the multi polar words. the russians on the chinese are not trying to keep them out from the international system. so they will be different polls version of the chinese would be, especially a strong part and the rest of the world can choose with cool. what day i. nothing wrong with sharing a little bit, just share a little bit or i gentlemen, that's all it. we have one of my guests in berlin and here in milestone i think our viewers for watching a c r t. see you next time. remember across the dock rules ah

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