if i'm not crazy enough, i'm not gonna make it the the hello and welcome the cross top where all things are considered. i and peter lavelle. kevin's made it abundantly clear. it cannot wage a counter offensive without more weapons and ammunition from the west. the west, particularly washington, they show no interest in indigo shaded into the conflict. and in the meantime, ukraine become smaller and smaller. the cross talk to the conflict in ukraine. i'm joined by my guess,

nick brown and washington. he's the chair of the people's party of the united states in raleigh. we have ray mcgovern. he is a former cia analyst, and paul's church. we cross to lawrenceville, kristen, he's a former chief of staff to colin powell or a gentleman, cross talk girls. and in fact, that means you can jump in in time you want, and i always appreciate it. or if we can go to you 1st. in a way, this whole conflict has all been about as far as i can tell, narrative control. so we have narratives like lens gay being pressured to have a counter offensive to grab back as much land as possible to inter negotiation. he says he doesn't have the, the ammo and other military hardware to, to fulfill that demand by the united states. we also have secretary blinking and talking about the red line of crimea, which again, kinda throws a wrench into the works here. and then we have this, you know, whatever it takes mentality here it from washington. so what is going on here? is lensky just trying to get nato to formally enjoying the conflict?

because that's exactly what it sounds like. go ahead, lawrence. i think you have to consider one of the most powerful elements in national security decision making. it exists in my country and that domestic politics. you can have weaken blinking nod and knowledge, which is what i call roseland, my secretary state blank, and jake sullivan, national security advisor in victoria noodle you can interpret what they want to do unless you look at it through the domestic political lands and right now, rather than by and can't be seen in such a, i hate to say it optimal or conflict as ukraine has become with the electorate in this country can be seen as cutting and running far from it, or even negotiating over. so it's a real problem for him politically, and that's a showstopper not to mention all the money, the united states, defense contractors and others are making all this conflict. that's

a terrible disadvantage to, if you will, to a negotiated settlement or peace. so it's domestic politics. it's money, it's re establishing us germany over the european union and europe in general. it's all these things that are keeping us from doing what we should do, which is sit down and thought. ok, so if i got you right, so it's, it's about a lot of things, but it's not really much about ukraine. i got that re basically the same question to ask differently. a long conflict along war who benefit from that? is there what party and all of this benefits from a long war re well, a party that says they're going to give it all, all they have for as long as it takes. that's clearly the party that benefits. larry is quite right, and poochie has explicitly acknowledged that domestic politics explain a heck of a lot of white foreign policy makers. so he'd add,

i just add this, we're approaching the day no more in ukraine. in my view, it will not be more than another month or so before russian horses have decimated what's left of the ukrainian army and we'll have pretty much freeway to the river. that's going to be very embarrassing. that's going to happen like real soon . and my view, and that's when biden is going to have to decide what to do. and if he's guided mostly by domestic considerations, that temptation to up the ante still more will be even more intense. and that's precisely in my view, why poaching and said we're going to put nuclear nuclear weapons or loki or warheads in b a laross because that's what the americans have done in the rest of europe. so we're updating the anti cho, we're, we're prepared to use them if you,

if you really do very stupid thing. so in my view is quite a dangerous thing, whether it's mostly foreign policy consideration based on the best stick politics or whether it's this other strategic thing. biden is not going to get off with this easy because you can have to make a lotteries, right? it's not he, it's those are that with that other crew, they're going to have to make decisions and will have nothing to say about it. we, we specialists in this area. yeah. that the same crowd that probably was made the decision surrounding the northern stream pipeline. so i'll leave it in out there. nick, i mean, where is the debate about this? ok, i mean, the debate about ukraine policy is invading the, the g o. p. here i've been watching them to bend themselves into a pretzel because trump says one thing. and then we have dissenters as another thing, and then you look at public opinion polls among g o, p voters. this is not

a popular war here. so it's an invading the domestic politics just in the same way that larry and re of just said here, go head neck. it's amazing. the democratic party, which i used to be a part of intel a last and help form the people's party, has become the party of outright unquestioned war and authoritarianism in their censorship on line of even any critic in their call for censorship. of any critic of the war and in working with intelligence agencies to to enact that censorship. so you're right, there's been no public discussion or debate about the war in the 1st place. ukraine, of course, doesn't have any interest. the american public doesn't have any benefit in continuing the war. it's only the military industrial complex that benefits the members of congress from the democratic and republican parties to get the kickbacks

. and i'll add to what larry and grey said, and i completely agree with what they said. i would say that the u. s. is so invested in this. and so is the, the pentagon, because they've staked american hegemony on this war. and it's become incredibly symbolic. after advancing nato for 30 years to rush his border, when they lose this war, as they inevitably will, it will symbolize that the rest of the world is no longer cau towering to american imperialism. that's why this is so dangerous because hedge mom's adult like to lose their grip here. larry, one of the things, you know, you know, a lot about the iraq war or there's the 20th anniversary of it. i don't like using the word anniversary. 20 years ago. what is washington learn since then? these would be ukraine? not a darn thing, just simply stated. let me, let me just add to what niggers said about the democrats. i spent months almost

a year on the hill trying to get the democrats, the democrats, pelosi, coyer, and others to not subvert, but to help us use the war powers resolution to stop us participation with the saudis, in the heinous, brutal war and yemen at the end of the day when we finally got that past, we only got to pass because pelosi new trump would veto it. otherwise she would not have taken away her pressure to not let it even get to the floor. so the democrats are as big a warmongers as republicans, they just sometimes take different targets, and that's far of our problem in this country. now we have no political party of substances. he's really interested in tackling the real threats in the world which are in order of their existentialism nuclear weapons and no treaty at all any more enforced and the climate crisis. so we haven't and we have a,

a luddite per blind legislature in this country. and that's what our founders meant to be the entity in our government, closest to the people representing the people's interests. we no longer have that. well, it re, i mean it's the us and through nato, they've made this existential, which was not necessary. this is that they, they, they made it existential for themselves. russia obviously sees that, that way, you know, one of the great breaks that we've seen since the 2nd world war is that great power is don't go tell to tell you that's, i know. now you're not supposed to do that because you can lose. and when, when one side loses, it could take everyone else with them. this is what this administration has done. re. let's show the sorry thing peter is that the well healed hailey, people who are running our policies don't shame to realize that it's mostly their

fault. now when i say they are false, i refer not only to the fools errand in ukraine, but also to the fact they have. but russia and china together, in a way is a china and russia have never been together before. they have a virtual alliance. and who, who is bio, who are biden's gestures, listening to the former ambassadors who are saying, oh, who june surprised scooped, to see me last week? because he didn't say or he didn't show you. this is the last, the last focus on the big picture, which is the tectonic shift then relations, the fact that russia and china not going to abide by their cor interests being sacrifice. it was a big picture boat by saying one little thing about in placing nuclear warheads gala rose ha, who do you buy?

that is a ship by a boy. she probably very bad at him. that's the kind of counsel that's the kind of sophomore eric advice that these world hill people, blake didn't weaken and not, or whatever their names are, are getting from academia. well, it's a very interesting here is that we, there is no pushback here. there's, there's, you know, they always say, it's very interesting and, you know, you have to give the russians and offramp here, but the us, the, the us so leads having given themselves an offer. and here, i mean there, this is the ultimate game of chicken written to go ahead, nick. well, i completely agree with that and they continue escalating its incredibly dangerous . in other there appears to be 2 different tracks. there's division, it seems in the pentagon, even in the administration, there seems to be increasing division over what to do with this war because the mainstream media, which has just been selling this war from the very beginning, ah,

you know, peddling lies like russia has a wants to reconstitute the soviet union and, you know, they're going to invade next thing, you know, if you know finance, stop them in ukraine's the, you know, they're, they're gonna, yeah, we're away. i heard, i heard that so called talking head on fox news a last new cycle that poland is the next target. but give no empirical evidence, why that's the case, but that's how they peddle it here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we've got going or going to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the conflict and you crave. stay with our team. ah ah with ah ah

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we over the last week or so we had the i, c. c. come back into into action with possible war crime indictments against individuals in russia. as far as i know, once the i c c does that, it's those charges are never rescinded. i mean, this is again, deepening, widening the breed chair of no return to any kind of amicable relationship between russia in the west. and again, it's the west that wants this. they want a complete breach. ok, hope thinking that, you know, russia is isolated, but i would posit, is that the more the us and it's nato allies do this? the more they're isolated from the world, not russia. lawrence, go ahead. i have a very jaundiced view of the i see. so why do i do to we're learned about it in 2001, 2002 in 2003. and i learned about it from a very, very good source. john bolton was then under secretary of state for international

security and ours control. united states did not subscribe to the i c. c publicly because the united states knew that underneath the covers as a war, it was going to influence the i c. c to do its bidding, and that's precisely what it began to do. you notice we went after black african leaders. we didn't go after any white people until we got into the balkans. and we had people like melissa bitch and craddick and others who were quote, worth going after, unquote. the i, c, c was a 2 of the united states in every respect, just as the you in is often a 2 of the united states. when it does, it's bidding. so the i, c, c is not something i look at as an organization bit to do justice in the world. and i'll give you an example of concrete example. when i was in paris in 2019, the germans brought some people over to talk to us about torture. that was our all

sensible purpose for being embarrassed with the germans also brought a young lady who's a brilliant prosecutor for the i c. c. and she was in the 1st stage of her investigation, were prosecutorial regulations and rules don't really hurt the investigation. so she was free to do what she wanted to. she was bringing a case against the united states and others. and i got the star. well, you know where she is now, where that is now. so i don't look at the i c, c, a bulwark of justice on the global face. well, it's interesting that the i, c, c would rear its head gray because, you know, again, 20 years ago, the illegal invasion of iraq and the arc techs of that war have never been held account, no one that one. okay. not even the media. okay. and then the, the i cc conveniently is deployed again, which has to remind our audience the united states is not a signatory to russia is not. and neither is ukraine. go ahead. i just was

wondering if you had let me go ahead and yeah, during this time that i was learning this from mister bolton, mister bolton was going all over the world and bending capital's arms and paying capitals of countries all across the globe to sign these agreements. that guaranteed that were us troops deployed on their soil would never bring prosecution against a very good many. is that re go ahead? jump in? well, i have to agree that the i see even other, other parts of the you want apparatus are all tightly controlled by the u. s. and the people they put in office there. there's one sort of the exception that arising and that is yesterday's vote at the un security council against well, the $33.00 major powers, not only russia by china and brazil voted to have it. i didn't dependent

investigation a blowing up night stream 3 powered. did the others vote against it? no, it's too embarrassing to be totally abstained. all right. things are changing a little bit. now i want to raise something that the larry alluded to that i think is the mother of all opportunity costs. so right, larry mentioned it to his credit, environmental damage, climate change whenever you call it. if you talk about love bites, if you talk about people who shouldn't be luddites well educated, people like april haynes, the head of our national intelligence apparatus, she said something sensible, but it was 2 years ago and she's got about it here. it is. climate change knows no boundaries respects no borders and cannot be addressed by any one nation on it. so we must work together on the challenge before us working with my colleagues and the

whole government apparatus and foreign countries, we will meet this challenge wall. well, i think going to happen anytime soon if we keep a polluted in the atmosphere, even to the extent of depleted uranium in ukraine. so, i mean, i have 10 grandchildren, doesn't anybody think about that? well, you know, that's the mother of all oppertunity because she should in every conversation, forgive me for inserting it. no, and that's very important. i mean, nick, you know, blowing up the pipelines, nurturing pipelines was an ecological disaster that nobody in the west has. the courage really to talk about ok, and particularly all the greeny acts. ok. let's throw in the us military is the biggest single polluter in the world. ok? but nick, you know, since north stream is brought up here, i mean is, is ray but is pointing out, you know, and larry's that it's getting really embarrassing, coming up with these alternative theories. ok,

because no one believes them. ok. and then the great, the great accumulation of them all is that the germans are still, maybe the russians actually did do it. i mean it's, it's absolutely extraordinary to look at these sophisticated people lie straight to your face. it's extraordinarily what, it's what it's american hegemony that his dumbness to europe. ok. it's so shameful when europe and we, you know, this, this routine gall turnitin that they talked about not too long ago, where europe would be a center of power along, along the united states in china. that's all completely gone. and they've, they've been insulted by having their energy independence question, go ahead, nick. yeah, and they say that when the intelligence agencies in the united states want to put out some kind of false propaganda narrative, they go to the new york times 1st. well, you know, they get exactly what we saw when they dutifully went to the new york, you know,

the new york times and came up with this ridiculous story, probably even more ridiculous than the idea that russia blew it up as 80 arctic it . that was, that they were ukrainian justice league somehow pulled off the biggest act of, you know, terrorism since $911.00. and it's ludicrous and i want to add to, to what larry and race said about the i c. c. the united states literally passed the hague invasion act act that allows it to violently invade the netherlands to jailbreak any service member or american to the i bet the i cc attempts to try. just 3 years ago, the united states called the i c. c and embarrassment and said that it doesn't recognize its jurisdiction. and so american hypocrisy is fully on display when it

comes to that when it comes to the united states saying that it isn't going to support a ceasefire. the whole world sees the u. s. as or much more of the world is seeing the us as the aggressor in this war. larry, how worried are you about a false flag incident in ukraine using chemical biological, even new killer? because, you know, we're getting midway between a rock and a hard place, right? now, i mean, any counter offensive from ukraine seems almost hopeless at this point, but whatever it takes, narrative continues here. the only thing that can shake up that narrative is something very, very dramatic, and it's pulling out to our viewers, that it's the losing 5 that really resorts to false flags. go ahead larry, you know, i would never discount. i don't think it's a probability, but it's certainly a possibility it let me just say what was just saying. and what ray of said, reminds me of a book, i'm reading right now by james shapiro,

a really brilliant shakespearean scholars writing, who wrote a book called the year of lear. and one of the things he goes through in that book is the jazz jazz with principal, the developed in the early 16, hundreds of equivocation, which essentially meant lying to protect the catholic church and to protect catholics. it was forgiven by god. indeed, it was safer to lie in this way. that's what characterizes our politicians today. and that disturbs me more than almost anything else because that's the end of our democracy. if we don't stop it and the media, instead of ripping that a heart every day, as julian assigns, for example, did aids and the best you can run to democracy. that way. right. your thoughts on that, and i'm glad the julian us onto my name has been brought up. i mean it criminalizing telling the truth, it goes right in line with larry with larry was just saying there,

go ahead re. well, there's another old jesuit, a go recept, bald invincible ignorance. now, if your ignorance is in miss an invincible him, when you get off scot free end up in purgatory, not in hell. ok. now, these people have invincible ignorance, by virtue of their exceptionalism, their feeling that they really can still rule the world. a gemini, concerned the greek word to lead, but it also means to oppress it also means to dominate ok, that's over for the us. and the sooner that these young sophomores try to get invited to do the work, things he does as soon as they realize that that's going to be okay for the world. if they don't realize that the push is gonna come to shove in ukraine just in a couple of months now. and the whole idea had, because poaching his,

his announcement that they're going to put our nuclear warheads in b o rose surprised me. ok. i'm always surprised that the next move that poaching makes, i don't want to be surprised by something even worse than that. but that's an earnest of his intentions. that's ernesta the russian outlook. that this is an existential threat or russia. it's not an existential threat except the political, existential threat with united states. yeah. and we have to point out here, if you go to it we, we have very, a learned and literate, i guess on the program here. but not once in history, does a hedge, amman go quietly, and i think that's what we're all worried about. and it's all the epicenter of all this is in ukraine. unfortunately it was, it's been a conflict of choice. unfortunately, it's all the time we have gentlemen want to thank my guests. i'm watching in raleigh and in falls church. and also i want to think our viewers were watching us

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