has already begun using local currency now, egypt would join 18 countries that have agreed to do business in rupees for cross border transactions and have been to ultimately d dollar ra is that regional trade. and the indian rupee is edging closer to becoming an international currency potentially. i spoke to dr. maggot bought ross a professor of political science at hell one university. he says, the dollar is de facto losing its dominance in global trend. this is a mutual benefit to all parties involved, you know, because the dollars, the, the, the economy crisis now is how to get the dollar. and the u. s. is trying to exercise control on countries on the supply of dollars. and they have to submit to their economic and political conditions. why? when you deal with the euro b, as in india or the robber in russia,

there are no political conditions set on the developing countries. the 18 countries club dealing with it will be the indian root beer. some of them are western countries like germany, when germany, economic leader in europe joining this. this shows a very clear bull on indicated that the future is for the d dollars issue. the future is for that is not the west. now the western block is in the decline stage. yes, the craziness, more and more countries come together for the new multi polar world order international trade with national currencies and not the us dollar big changes happening in the world. and my colleague union o'neill will be at this desk in half an hour's time to tell you all the more about it for the meantime. all of us here

the with, sometimes governments commit such agree just acts of waste, fraud, abuse, or illegality that multiple whistleblowers come forward to complain. sometimes those government acts even constitute war crimes or crimes against humanity. we'll talk about one of those cases. one where the facts are clear, but the ending might upset you. i'm john kerry. i go and you are watching the whistleblowers, the. 2 2 2 2 hello and welcome to the whistleblowers. i'm john kerry, aka the u. s. military base at guantanamo has been described by some former detainees there as hell on earth. hundreds and hundreds of innocent people scooped up by the u. s. military and the cia and afghan. a stan, pakistan,

and elsewhere have been held there sometimes for decades. despite the fact that the vast majority of them had never committed a crime. we all know that on many occasions, over the past 20 plus years, military and intelligence interrogators have gone too far in confronting prisoners at guantanamo. much of that immoral, unethical and illegal behavior was documented in the senate intelligence committees, torture report. today we're going to speak with a guest who's served at guantanamo for the u. s. military. he witnessed crimes committed against detainees, and then he went public. he risked everything his career, his finances, even his family. but in the end, all these years later, almost nothing has changed. dozens of prisoners are still being held incommunicado at guantanamo, in many cases, they aren't even allowed to access to their own attorneys. and almost none have ever been charged for the crime is the ca still torturing people at one tunnel. we

don't know. the cia says the torture program ended years ago, and we're just going to have to take their word for it. i for one will not our guest tonight is joseph hickman. joe hickman spent most of his life in the military 1st as a marine. and then as a soldier in both the army and the national guard, he's deployed on several military operations around the world, sometimes attached to foreign militaries, the recipient of more than 20 commendations and metals. hickman was awarded the army achievement metal and the army commendation metal. while he was stationed at one tunnel, jo, welcome to the show. be here, john. thanks for joining us, joe. i want to cut directly to the revelations that you made, joe, the events leading up to it are somewhat typical of national security whistleblowers in that you were just a guy doing his job. and then one night, something terrible happened. it involves the deaths of 3 prisoners,

all on the same night at one tunnel. tell us what happened when i was june 9 to 6. i was on a sergeant regard. i was a sergeant. charges watch a different operation. those in camp america give american one time. now, how is the genes? that's the camp where you're at on a specific ship in one time, no, it was for you. so you have america where i, when i was a tower, you know, i wouldn't miss the paddy wagon because of the great where the transport cds back up to camp for taken prisoner out of camp or patty, where you drive out of the gate. and i watched the tower make a turn like they were meeting the base at that time,

i was suspicious. they came right back and picked up another to do the same thing. by this time i was really curious. where were the on friday night? sometimes they were taking the medical hospital or something like that, but this is already there. so they came back for a 3rd details. when you did, i went to the post where the entry post to see where the, where the them was actually going goes into camp america, which they had the fast one that wrote when they were not in the 3rd town. i watched them in go about 200 yards and then make a left radio. also from your at that time i knew that was only about the 2 places at the time that led to the lead to the beach. or led to facility that

i knew was ca call to care? no, no, it's not there. it's right. who knows? so i, i knew they were taking the teams to the church for amusement so they were going to care for sure. so then later on at night, actually to patty right. and come back into your weekend and go right to the medical clinic, visitation medical clinic and why and they backed up and they were unloading something like that. they were moving, but that's why they dr. t minutes later, all the lights came on and the whole sirens are going off was a huge scene and i went to the medical,

everybody was running to work there and saw or no science would happen. she said that he just killed himself. so you why? and i knew right then this did because i had eyes or what i had to are. no one was saw the one the only people that think suspicious is true. james left. when patty wagging the patio backed up to so are you right? that true? remember, kill was on my watch, bother be 300 because you went to the media to make your revelation. because after fully expecting the naval criminal investigative service to interview you, they never did. you saw a general on cnn say something about the events of that evening and you knew that he was lying. there was a cover up saying,

here's what happens then your name is out there. i know the military tried to discredit you. did they come after you then? yeah, 1st what happened is i saw one i had more or once here in the same day saying it was a measurable work on themselves. terrorist acts on ange, stay me even more. i got home, i was the i g sector general complain about it didn't go anywhere at all. so i took it to i got a maturity and i was to the justice and the f. b, i showed up and i just started attorney showed up and they interviewed me there for about 3 hours. if you really interested me and my present

time and they, yes, if i had any other collaborating witnesses and i did, i had 9 people were just stand by another soldiers. wow. you said no one so they, they interviewed all of them and 10 months later they didn't hear. i was, i'm actually in the military 10 months later they didn't hear anything. so my attorney called just partnered and they said their exact words, the gist of my story. was true, but you're not going to charge you. wow. wow. joe like other national security whistleblowers. you did not back down. you saw this illegality take place and you went public. and when there was no follow up, you gave a long interview to scott horton in 2010 for harper's bazaar magazine. and then you

wrote a book about your experiences called murder at camp delta, a staff sergeant, pursuit of the truth at guantanamo bay. the military criticize the article harshly, but it won a national book award one of the highest literary prizes in the united states. clearly the military's propaganda against you wasn't working. so what happens next? well, just to back up a little bit, i 1st went to brian boss, brian ross is very interesting story. and he, he was going to run it. and i said, look, you have to run this. if you going to do these interviews, you have to write, i'm still in the military. yeah, the pentagon, after you asked him questions about this and don't want nothing supporting. and he said he would. and then one of his, one of the people working for him who was he talking?

money's worth. so my question just hang on. nothing rang and then having our game last day there was a lot of problems in the met, very big problems there. and i didn't take a shot were start serious harper, something serious. you read the story before around story the the justice department asked him not to run story and it all went all the way through top is and they person not the wrong stories that he's been around. and they've said sharply criticized. but you still want to rational managing word, and there was no way of you criticize somebody, you show me and you know the old saying the truth is the best defense and that you had behind you joe. you and i was the hunt for. i was

a beta and his capture and torture, and then you wrote about his further torture and his treatment at guantanamo. i was of a to we my former. my former organization is the i did not like that book, not even a little bit, but then you went further and wrote every week i, i face people love it. you know john, you came forward to cause you came forward. whistleblower, you want to use your position, you love, you want to make things better and that's what i want to see. one better is not john. whistle blowing is trying to make your organization better. respect to me. that's what it is. yeah. and then for you personally, have things got a gone by, i know, in my own case in the ca turned its attention 1st to add snowden and then to julian

assange. and they sort of left me alone after a while. what's it been like for you with the military? have they finally moved on, or are you dealing with the fall out from your whistle blowing? no, they moved on pretty much alone. for now. yeah. and then where you continue to write books, have you encountered any further difficulties? no, you know, it's funny about the forgot to mention is that the 1st review that come out amazon still there was by guy named crabtree. the boat was out for a half hour, and i gave her the child just, i read this, but he wrote a cheerful, are you how much of a trader? i was terrible. the person i was trying to dr. crabtree is the public relations officer at one time. oh my god. oh yeah, that says a lot, my goodness,

he didn't even have the presence of mind to use a made up name. you can use a name on, on amazon when you do a book review. jason, the whole car right away from the media circle, but they've pretty much like that feedback from the verb to, to try to, you know, it was an adjunct professor. all they tried to be fired from the john burns. so there's always been you know, that, you know, again, so they really come to, i had a report that was probably directly because they are whose j t f to mander one more time january night. and he was telling them how long i was. the person i told the reporter i'm over

here and they said, but you know, how can you say all this is true? what happy suicide when it would take such a big cover all these people, you know, i said well, you know, not too long ago professional football player pack so been killed by treacher side . good point and he took 132 people. i want to weigh more 152 people live. it will take much less to cover this up and such as sure very much you are. you were involved. and they said, well, but you know, everybody's, it's cartoon assistant, how do you know everybody is 23? you don't know that you can't make that measurement. definitely not. well,

joe hickman, please stay with us. we're going to take a short break and we're going to come right back with more you are watching the whistleblowers stay tuned. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 camp is made it abundantly clear, it cannot wage a counter offensive without more weapons and ammunition from the west, the west, particularly washington. they show no interest in the negotiated and to the conflict. in the mean time, ukraine becomes smaller and smaller. when i was showing wrong, when i just don't hold any new world, that is yet to shape out the same because of the african and engagement. it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground.

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a you can do that straight as in 2022. ah ah ah ah welcome back to the whistle blowers i'm john kerry arco were speaking with us military was the blower, joe hickman. joe, good to have you back. as i mentioned you and i wrote a book together on the capture torture and imprisonment of i was a beta. but you went on to write this highly acclaimed book on the u. s. military's use of burned it. what led you to this issue and what kind of reception did you get specifically from the military?

once you began documenting the case against the burn pit was let me get yours. my 1st of all came out of the army sold user reaching out to at that time saying great, that was the one soldier, one they weren't really thank you. great. so told her story and then they start hacking, just popping away cheese. there's your case that i'm sorry i brought back from you tell me what happened. he told me, he said this is a story you should do. this is everybody say you gave you a couple names of people to year. and then i took a couple of their names and a couple of their age and i read about 1400, it just blew up and all these people were 2nd don, you know. so i decided that was something you know. yeah. tell us

a little bit about about the health and environmental impact of these burn fit, burn pits. we're talking about bulldozing literally everything into a field, spring it down with diesel fuel and then lighting it on fire and i mean, equipment, medical waste, plastic food on animal carcasses. right. and then all of the sudden people started getting these rare cancers including brain cancers, and i will add that my, my best friend from high school was, was responsible for the burn pitts in for overseen the burn pits iraq. he came back from iraq and then developed a very rare brain cancer and died at the age of 48. what did you find in this investigation? what did i find this in the future? yes. how did you find? well, i sort of basically wears all the trash. yeah. so combat

soldiers usually $3.00 to $9.00 pounds trash a day per person. wow. we had a 100 people in your tenure feels 50 tons of trash day a day 30 comes at one point. it's just unbelievable amount attractions and they're burning everything. but we're really got me looking at it was we have the soldiers to the general population yearian villages and that they were a lot of these kids were come. birth defects they were being born in the world was never seen before, which is the 1st time you ever seen along with people just getting rare brain cancers in the villages well outside of campus. and it was truly it is. busy after enormous proportions that always talk back for us today.

yes, yes. did the military make any changes related to the policy of using bern pitts after the book came out shortly with, with all of the reports of cancer's including these brain cancer's and brain cancer . that the son of president biden developed perhaps from the burn pits and then, and then your own research. it seems like something ought to have been done, where any policy changes implemented. there has been changes done to help them better. why i did see a standard operating procedure and set up a base and they're still stated operation. they're still not federated, don't understate for large for operational patients. like along with the $5000.00 or more so this year, not bridge. it was so i don't know i yes,

if you go to war again, time will tell you i, you know, high temperature incinerators actually trashes evolved over the years. it's not the same thing. styrofoam plastics and and you know, some people think that they were sick. sure not only, but trashes are much worse and you know, it's as though joe, we learn nothing from, from the use of ne palm or burn pits in vietnam. i mean every, every school child knows you don't burn styrofoam, and you don't burn plastic and you don't live next to the garbage dump and, and to the incinerator. yet we force our, our soldiers to do exactly those things. it just makes no sense to me.

when saddam saying set the fire that was like the for worse of our mental disaster, they say in the history of the world. but what about these that they right, they burn or 10 months. what about these burg that we had 273 on this for 10 years? oh my god. you know, that puts it in perspective. does they the military does not they, they, they preach and good environmental programs. you know, practice with the bridge. joe, tell us what your next project is. you become something of a cross between a whistleblower and an investigative journalist. what are you looking at next? i am looking at i'm looking. i'm the 1st one ever told the sexual and how they're being recorded. how

fantastic. and made to one people. you're pretty, pretty confidential right now, but it's well without, without pressing you too far. it sounds like this is going to be something that is going to be newsworthy. like mainstream media, newsworthy. yes. happy. wow. and i hope you don't get too much push back from the military. oh, you know, we live in that we're. yeah. we did, we did. well, i would like to thank our guest today. ready joseph hickman, not just for joining us, but for his heroism in standing up to wrong doing. and i mean wrong doing at great personal risk. remember, the arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice. those are the words of doctor martin luther king. and thanks to people like joe hickman,

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