and goes through a cycle of violence, demonstrations. it is the 10th day of demonstrations bringing some 700000 all 1000000 people on the streets of the main cities. mostly in paris, of course. and, and it's eric john, you know, while on the same and flyers everywhere. and of course there is that the garbage, thousands of tons of garbage and in the streets of products in big cities that is only starting to be taken away. so it's not the time to just film emily in paris for them all in all or anywhere else in front. so my coin is direct says, of course, the pension law. i've got it wants to pass because he has nothing to show for his 56 years now in power. and he wants this reform to be passed and the union say no, and they continue to demonstrate. so that's the key for now, a former marine whom many say courageously brought to attention,

the murder of inmate se for miss guantanamo bay. prison is today's guest on the whistle, blowers couch the fall. sit down next from with the who's sometimes government's commit. such a greed just acts of waste, fraud, abuse, or ill legality that multiple whistleblowers come forward to complain. sometimes those government acts even constitute war crimes or crimes against humanity. we'll talk about one of those cases. one where the facts are clear,

but the ending made upset you. i'm john kerry, i'll go and you are watching the whistleblowers. the news. 2 2 2 2 hello and welcome to the whistleblowers. i'm john kerry arco, the us military base at guantanamo has been described by some former detainees there as hell on earth. hundreds and hundreds of innocent people scooped up by the u. s. military and the cia and afghan. a stan, pakistan, and elsewhere have been held there sometimes for decades. despite the fact that the vast majority of them had never committed a crime. we all know that on many occasions, over the past 20 plus years, military and intelligence interrogators have gone too far in confronting prisoners at guantanamo. much of that immoral, unethical and illegal behavior was documented in the senate intelligence committees, torture report. today we're going to speak with

a guest who served at guantanamo for the u. s. military. he witnessed crimes committed against detainees, and then he went public. he risked everything his career, his finances, even his family. but in the end, all these years later, almost nothing has changed. dozens of prisoners are still being held incommunicado at guantanamo. in many cases, they aren't even allowed to access to their own attorneys. and almost none have ever been charged for the crime is the still torturing people at one tunnel. we don't know. the c says the torture program ended years ago and we're just going to have to take their word for it. i for one will not our guest tonight is joseph hickman. joe hickman spent most of his life in the military 1st as a marine. and then as a soldier in both the army and the national guard, he's deployed on several military operations around the world, sometimes attached to foreign militaries, the recipient of more than 20 commendations and metals. pittman was awarded the

army achievement metal and the army commendation metal. while he was stationed at one tunnel, jo, welcome to the show. how did you hear john? thanks for joining us, joe. i want to cut directly to the revelations that you made, joe, the events leading up to it are somewhat typical of national security whistleblowers in that you were just a guy doing his job. and then one night, something terrible happened. it involves the deaths of 3 prisoners, all on the same night at one tunnel. tell us what happened? well then i was june, 9 to 6. i was on sergeant the guard sergeant charges watch a different operation. those in camp america give american one time. now, how is the genes? that's the camp where you're at, on this specific champ, in one time though,

it was here for you. so you have america where i, when i was in tower, you know, i wouldn't miss the paddy wagon because of the great where the transports back up to camp for taken prisoner out of care or patty where you drive out of the gate. and i watched the tower make a turn like they were meeting the base at that time, i was suspicious. they came right back and picked up another to do the same thing. by this time i was really curious, where were the on friday night? sometimes it would take him to school or something like that, but this was there. so we came back where the 3rd details. when he did, i went to the post where the entry post to see where the where the them was

actually going goes into camp america. which they had to test one of the road when they were not that room. and the 3rd time i watched them go about $200.00 yards and then make a left. right. yeah. also hear from your at that time i knew that was only about 2 places. at the time that led to the lead to the beach or led to facilities that i knew was ca we call it a can't no, no, it's not there. it's right now. so i knew they were getting the teams to the church from using it. so they were going to care for sure. so then later on at night i see the patty right and come back after we can go right to the medical clinic

in detail, the medical clinic inside war. and they backed up and they were unloading something like that. they were moving. but at that point, they dr. t. later all the lights came on in a whole sirens, it was a huge sea. and i went to the medical, everybody was running to work there and saw the warning signs were happy. she said she does have he just killed himself. so why? and i knew right then this did because i had eyes on what i had to are. no one was saw the one the only people that think suspicious is true to change . left in the patty wagon backed up to

so are the right that true, remember was on my watch, father be 3 years because i was not. you went to the media to make your revelation . because after fully expecting the naval criminal investigative service to interview you, they never did. you saw a general on cnn say something about the events of that evening and you knew that he was lying. there was a cover up saying, here's what happens then. your name is out there. i know the military tried to discredit you. did they come after you then? yeah, 1st what happened is i saw admiral on once here in the same day saying it was a symmetrical work. on the terrorist act something and stayed even more. i got home i was the i g inspector general complaint

about it didn't go anywhere at all. so i took it to i got an attorney and i was take the justice and the f. b. i showed off and are just smart attorney showed up and they interviewed me for about 3 hours. this is really interesting. my attorney was present and they yes, if i hadn't the other collaborating witnesses and i did, i had 9 people come one, just me. that's what i don't understand why my soldiers. wow. you said no one so they they interviewed all of them and 10 months later they didn't hear. i was, i'm actually in the military 10 months later they didn't hear anything. so my

attorney called just harvard and they said their exact words, the gist of our story was true, but you're not going to charge you. wow. wow. joe, like other national security whistleblowers, you did not back down use, saw this illegality take place and you went public and when there was no follow up, you gave a long interview to scott horton in 2010 for harper's bazaar magazine. and then you wrote a book about your experiences called murder at camp delta, a staff sergeant, pursuit of the truth at guantanamo bay. the military criticize the article harshly, but it won a national book award one of the highest literary prizes in the united states. clearly the military's propaganda against you wasn't working. so what happens next? well, just to back up a little bit. i 1st went to bryan boss. bryan ross is very interesting story. and

he, he was going to run it. and i said, look, you have to run this. if you going to do these interviews, you have to write, i'm still in the milk at the pentagon, after you asked the questions about this and don't want nothing supporting. and he said he would. and then one of his, one of the people working for him who you're familiar with buddy's work. so my questions do nothing, right. and then having our junior last day there was a lot of problems and he met very big problems there. and i didn't take a shot weren't serious harper, something serious. he read the story before around story the

the justice department asked him not to run story and all went all the way through top is and the person not the wrong stories that he's been around. and they've, you said sharply criticized, but you still want to rush many awarded and there was no way of you criticize something, but you show me and you know the old saying the truth is the best defense and that you had behind you joe. you and i went on to write a book together about the i was a beta case i wrote about the hunt for, i was a beta and his capture and torture. and then you wrote about his further torture and his treatment at guantanamo. i was of a to, we believed at the c. i was the number 3 and kinda he wasn't. but a lot of people, particularly at my former, my former or his asian as the i did not like that book,

not even a little bit, but then you went further and wrote an important book about the us. military's use of toxic, burned pits in places like kosovo and iraq. what kind of challenges do you now face as a whistleblower who has focused for years on waste fraud abuse and ill account in illegalities? specifically in the us military work i, i face people love and you know, job you can work to because you came for the whistleblower. you want to use your position, you love that you want to make things better and that's what i want to see with the military. one better is not job. whistleblower is trying to make your organization better respected to me. that's what it is. yeah. and then for you personally, have things got easier as the years have, have gone by. i know, in my own case in the ca turned its attention 1st to add snowden and then to julian

assange. and they sort of left me alone after a while. what's it been like for you with the military? have they finally moved on, or are you dealing with a fall out from your whistle blowing? no, they, they moved on pretty much alone for now. yeah. and then when you continue to write books, have you encountered any further difficulties? no, you know it's funny about the one i got to mention is the 1st review that come out amazon still there was by guy need crabtree was out for a half hour. the child just read this, but he wrote a chair, were you how much of a trader i was out here? well, the person i was coming up is dr. crabtree is the public relations officer at one time. oh my god. oh yeah, that says a lot my goodness,

he didn't even have the presence of mind to use a made up name. you can use a name on, on amazon when you do a book review. jason the whole car right away from the media circle. but they've pretty much like feedback from the verb charging was an edge faster. see all they try to be fired back from the john burns as well. so there's always been you know, that you get so many, they really come to, i had a report back, it was kind of interesting because they cur, longer who's j. t f commander, one column of the size of january 9th. and he was telling them how long i was the person or what i told the reporter i'm that was over

here. and they said, but you know, how do you say all this is true? what happy suicide when it would take such a big cover all these people, you know, i said well, you know, not to run your own professional football. so been killed by fracture side, good point. and he took 132 people, why children waiting more 152 people live. it would take much less to cover this up and such as sure very much. you are p, you were in law and they said what? but you know, everybody's, it's hard to see how do you know everybody is you don't know that you can't make that nation. definitely not. well, joe hickman,

please stay with us. we're going to take a short break and we're going to come right back with more. you are watching the whistleblowers stay tuned. 2 2 2 2 2 2 ah, in needs to come to the russian state to little never, i've side as on the northland theme diva mission, american, all sun summit for a week within the 55 when. okay, so mine is 2000 speedy. one else call me back with we will van in the european union the kremlin jeff machine. the state aren't russia today and sports r t sports next. even our video agency,

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good to have you back. as i mentioned, you and i wrote a book together on the capture torture and imprisonment of i was a beta. but you went on to write this highly acclaimed book on the us military's use of bern, pitts drilling down a little bit. what led you to this issue and what kind of reception did you get specifically from the military? once you began documenting the case against the bern pits was let me get yours. my 1st of all came out about that. that was a lot of soldiers were reaching out to me at that time saying great, there was no one soldier, one a one time. no, really. thank you. great. so told her story, then you start hacking. just popping away. she's your case. i'm sorry, i brought this back from you tell me what happened. he told me he

said this is a story you should say a couple of days a year. and then i took a couple of their names and the couple there by about 1400. it just blew up and all these people were done, you know, so i decided there's something you know. yeah. tell us a little bit about about the health and environmental impact of these burn fit, burn pits. we're talking about bulldozing literally everything into a field spring. it down with diesel fuel and then lighting on fire and i mean, equipment, medical waste, plastic food, literally anything. and then all of the sudden animal carcasses, right? and then all of the sudden people started getting these rare cancers including brain cancers, and i will add that my, my best friend from high school was,

was responsible for the burn pitts in for overseen the burn pits iraq. he came back from iraq and then developed a very rare brain cancer and died at the age of 48. what did you find in this investigation? what did i find this in the future? yes. how did you find? well, i started off basically, you know, there's always trash. yeah. so combat soldiers usually treat, you know, 9 pounds trash a day per person. wow. we had a 100 people over there. we found these facilities reach over. and so we had all that garbage from there. you know, in to divert. so we had you said 10 your feels 50 tons of trash day alive, hours

a day comes at one point it's just unbelievable amount attractions and they're burning everything. but we really got me looking at it was we have the soldiers to the general population, yearian villages that they were there. a lot of these kids were coming or the facts that were being born in the world was never seen before. newark, which is the 1st time you ever seen along with people just getting rare break cancers in the villages. well outside chance it was truly it is. busy aster, enormous proportion, always took a back for us today. yes, yes. did the military make any changes related to the policy of using bern pitts after the book came out shortly with, with all of the reports of cancer's including these brain cancer's and brain cancer that the son of president biden developed perhaps from the burn pit. and then,

and then your own research, it seems like something auto have been done, were any policy changes implemented? there has been changes done to help them better. but i did see a standard operating procedure and set up a base. and they're still they're still don't understate from large florida racial patients. like along with the 5000 or more. is that the standard opportunity to see was more so i don't know i yes. if you go to war again, time will tell you hard temperature incinerator trashes evolved over the years. it's not the same thing. styrofoam plastics and and you know,

some people say that they were 6 percent. sure. not only, but trash has done much worse, and you know, it's as though joe, we learned nothing from, from the use of ne palm or burn pits in vietnam. i mean every, every school child knows you don't burn styrofoam, and you don't burn plastic and you don't live next to the garbage dump and, and to the incinerator. yet we force our, our soldiers to do exactly those things. it just makes no sense to me. when saddam saying set the fire, that was like the for worse of our mental disaster, they say in the history the world. but what about these that they right, they burned through 10 months. what about these burg that we had $273.00 on our for

10 year. oh my god. you know, that puts it in perspective. does they the military does not they, they, they preach a good environmental programs. you know, practice would be a bridge. joe, tell us what your next project is. you become something of a cross between a whistleblower and an investigative journalist. what are you looking at next? i am looking at i am looking on the 1st one ever told the sexual and how they're being recorded. how fantastic and made one of your. ready pretty, pretty confidential right now, but it's well without, without pressing you too far. it sounds like this is going to be something that is going to be newsworthy, like mainstream media,

newsworthy. yes. happy. wow. and i hope you don't get too much push back from the military. oh, you know, we live in that world. yeah. we did. we did. well, i would like to thank our guest today, joseph hickman. not just for joining us, but for his heroism in standing up to wrong doing. and i mean wrong doing at great personal risk. remember, the arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice. those are the words of doctor martin luther king. and thanks to people like joe hickman, we can live those words. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistleblowers. i'm john kerry. aku, we're going to see you next time the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 i

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