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including those with, ah, sometimes governments commit such a grievous acts of waste, fraud, abuse or illegality that multiple whistle blowers come forward. to complain, sometimes those government acts even constitute war crimes or crimes against humanity. we'll talk about one of those cases. one where the facts are clear, but the ending might upset you. i'm john carry aku and you're watching the whistleblowers. 2 2 2 2 hello and welcome to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry arco, the u. s. military base at guantanamo has been described by some former detainees there as hell on earth. hundreds and hundreds of in some people scooped up by the u

. s. military and the cia and afghanistan, pakistan and elsewhere have been held there sometimes for decades. despite the fact that the vast majority of them had never committed a crime. we all know that on many occasions, over the past 20 plus years, military and intelligence interrogators have gone too far in confronting prisoners at guantanamo. much of that immoral, unethical and illegal behavior was documented in the senate intelligence committees, torture report. today we're going to speak with a guest who served at guantanamo for the u. s. military. he witnessed crimes committed against detainees, and then he went public. he risked everything his career, his finances, even his family. but in the end, all these years later, almost nothing has changed. dozens of prisoners are still being held incommunicado at guantanamo. in many cases, they aren't even allowed access to their own attorneys. and almost none have ever been charged with a crime. is this still torturing people at guantanamo?

we don't know. the ca says the torture program ended years ago and we're just going to have to take their word for it. i for one will not our guest tonight is joseph hickman. joe hickman spent most of his life in the military 1st as a marine. and then as a soldier in both the army and the national guard. he's deployed on several military operations around the world, sometimes attached to foreign militaries, the recipient of more than 20 commendations and metals. hickman was awarded the army achievement metal and the army commendation metal. while he was stationed at one tunnel, jo, welcome to the show. john. thanks for joining us, joe. i want to cut directly to the revelations that you made, joe, the events leading up to it are somewhat typical of national security whistleblowers in that you were just the guy doing his job. and then one night something terrible happened. it involves the deaths of 3 prisoners,

all on the same night at guantanamo. tell us what happened. well, that night was june, 9 to 6. i was on sergeant guard. i was a sergeant. charges watch a different operation. those in camp america give american one time. now, how is the genes? that's the camp where you're at on this specific camp. in one time though, it was here for you. so give america where i witnessed i was in the shower and i witnessed the patty where you call it the great where the transports back up to camp for taken prisoner out of camp or patty, where you drive out of the gate. and i watched the tower make a turn like they were meeting the base at that time,

i was suspicious. they came right back and picked up another to do the same thing. by this time i was really curious. where were they on friday night? sometimes they were taking that off but, or something like that. this was there. so they came back for a 3rd to haiti. and when i went to the post where the entry post to see where the, where the there was actually going to post into camp american, which they had the past when i wrote whenever not the row in the 3rd town, i watched them go about 200 yards and then make a left right. also at that time i knew that was only about the 2 places at the time that led to the lead to the beach or led to facilities

i knew was ca we call it can no, no, it's not there. it's right here so i knew they were getting the teams to the church for amusement, so they were going to care for sure. so then later on at night, actually to patty. right. and come back inter, we can go right to the medical clinic. the details, medical clinic insights, why? and they backed up and they were unloading something like that. they were moving. but at that point, they got 30 minutes later. all the lights came on and a whole siren gone off. was a huge seam and i went to the medical,

everybody was running to recover their saw or no science would happen. she said, true that just killed themselves. so you why? and i knew right then this did because i had eyes on what i had before. no one was the one the only people that think suspicious was true. james left when the patty wagon backed up to so are the right that true, remember kill was on my watch. probably be 3 years because i was not you went to the media to make your revelation because after fully expecting the naval criminal investigative service to interview you, they never did. you saw a general on cnn say something about the events of that evening and you knew that

he was lying. there was a cover up years. what happens then? your name is out there. i know the military tried to discredit you. did they come after you then? yeah, 1st what happened is i saw i had more or once here in the same day saying it was a symmetrical work on themselves. terrorist acts, ange, stay me even more. i got home, i was the i g inspector general complaint about it didn't go anywhere at all. so i took it to i got a maternity and i was to the justice and the f. b, i showed off and i just started attorney showed up and they

interviewed me there for about 3 hours if you really interested and my child was present and they, yes, if i had any other collaborating witnesses and i did, i had 9 people. we just need to write them, stand by another soldiers. wow. said no one. so they can they interviewed all of them and 10 months later they didn't hear. i was i'm actually in the military store 10 months later they didn't hear anything. so my attorney called just partnered and they said their exact words, the gist of our story was true, but you're not going to charge you. wow. wow. joe like other national security whistleblowers. you did not back down. you saw this legality take place and you went public and when there was no follow up, you gave a long interview to scott horton in 2010 for harper's bazaar magazine. and then you

wrote a book about your experiences called murder at camp delta, a staff sergeants, pursuit of the truth at guantanamo bay. the military criticize the article harshly, but it won a national book award one of the highest literary prizes in the united states. clearly the military's propaganda against you wasn't working. so what happens next? well, just to back up a little bit. i 1st with the brian boss, brian ross is very addressing story. and he, he was going to run it. and i said, you have to run this if you're going to do these interviews, you have to write, i'm still in the military. yeah, the pentagon, after you asked the questions about this one, i'm nothing supporting. and he said he would. and then one of his, one of the people working for him who you're familiar with

buddy's work. so my questions just hang on. nothing grand. and then having our junior last day there was a lot of problems and he met very big problems there. and i didn't take a shot weren't stop serious harper, something serious. he ran the story before around story the the justice department asked him not to run story and all went all the way to the top is and the person, not the wrong stories that he's been around. and they've said, sharply criticized you saw on a national magazine awarded and there was no way of you criticize somebody showing you and you know the old saying the truth is the best defense and

that you had behind you joe. you and i went on to write a book together about the i was a beta case i wrote about the hunt for, i was a beta and his capture and torture. and then you wrote about his further torture and his treatment at guantanamo. i was a beta, we believed at the c. i was the number 3 and all kinda he wasn't. but a lot of people, particularly at my former, my former or his asian as the i did not like that book, not even a little bit. but then you went further and wrote an important book about the us. military's use of toxic, burn pits in places like kosovo and iraq. what kind of challenges do you now face as a whistleblower who has focused for years on waste fraud abuse and ill account in illegalities? specifically in the u. s. military. what i, i say is people loving the job. you came forward to because you came for the

whistleblower. you loved your position, you love to make things better and that's what i want to see with the military. i want to better not job. whistleblower is trying to make your organization better respected. to me. that's what it is. yeah. and then for you personally, have things got easier as the years have have gone by. i know, in my own case, in the ca turned its attention 1st to ed snowden and then to julian assange. and they sort of left me alone after a while. what's it been like for you with the military? have they finally moved on, or are you dealing with a fall out from your whistle blowing? no, they, they moved on pretty much alone for now. yeah. and then when you continue to write books, have you encountered any further difficulties?

no, you know it's funny about the one i got to mention is that the 1st review that come out amazon still there was by guy made crabtree was out for a half hour. the child just started read this but he wrote a chairman of you, how much of a trader i was health care person. i was how much more i got this dr. crabtree is the public relations officer at one time. oh my god. oh yeah, that says a lot my goodness, he didn't even have the presence of mind to use a made up name. you can use a name on, on amazon when you do a book review. jason the whole car right away or the media circle. but they've pretty much like that feedback from the verb that he tried to was an edge on professor at all. they tried to be fired from the

john burns. so there's always been you know, that you get so many, they really had a report that was kind of interesting because they are whose j t f commander is one of the time of january night. and he was telling them how long i was the person i told the reporter i'm over here. and they said, but you know, how can you say all this is true? what happy suicide when it would take such a big cover up all these people, you know, i said well, you know, not too long ago, a professional football player was killed by fracture side,

good point and it took a 152 people. i want to weigh more 152 people live. it would take much less to cover this up and such as sure very much you are. you were involved. and they said, well, but you know, everybody's, it's cartoon assisting. how do you know everybody is? you don't know that you can't make that question. definitely not. well, joe hickman, please stay with us. we're going to take a short break and we're going to come right back with more. you are watching the whistleblowers stay tuned. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 ah ah

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the beginning of colonization, there were one and a half 1000000 indigenous people living on the continent, then by the beginning of the 20th century, their number had decreased till 100000 people. despite the indisputable historical facts, the problem of full recognition of the crimes of white australians against aborigines has not been resolved so far. and, ah, well come back to the whistle blowers, i'm john carrie alco were speaking with us military was the blower, joe hickman. joe, good to have you back as i mentioned you and i wrote a book together on the capture torture and imprisonment of i was a beta. but you went on to write this highly acclaimed book on the us military's use of burn pits, drilling down a little bit, what led you to this issue and what kind of reception did you get specifically from

the military? once you began documenting the case against the bern pits was let me get yours. my 1st bill came out about that. that's why a lot of soldiers were reaching out to me at that time saying great, that was the one soldier. one was really great said, told her story, and then you start hacking. just popping away. she's your case that i'm sorry i brought back from you from my rack. i ever tell me what happened. he told me, he said, this is a story you should say. you gave me a couple of days a year and then i took a couple of their names and the couple there by about 1400 it just blew up and all these people were done. you know,

so i decided there was something you know. yeah. tell us a little bit about about the health and environmental impact of these burn fit, burn pits. we're talking about bulldozing literally everything into a field, spring it down with diesel fuel and then lighting on fire and i mean equipment, medical waste, plastic food, literally anything. and then all of the sudden animal carcasses, right. and then all of the sudden people started getting these rare cancers including brain cancers. and i will add that my, my best friend from high school was, was responsible for the burn pitts in for overseen the burn pits iraq. he came back from iraq and then developed a very rare brain cancer and died at the age of 48. what did you find in this investigation? what did i find this investigation?

yes. how did you find? well, i started off basically where i was trashed. yeah. so a combat soldiers usually, you know, 9 pounds trash a day per person. wow. we had a 100 people over there, we bought these facilities and reach over. and so we had all that garbage from there, you know, in to divert. so we had by you, so tell me your feels 50 tons of trash day alive, hours a day. 50 times at one point it's just unbelievable amount attractions and they're burning everything. but we really got me looking at it was we have the soldiers to the general population, yearian village. and i doubt that they were there. a lot of these kids were come. birth defects that were being born in the world was never seen before,

which is the 1st time you ever seen along with people just getting rare brain cancers in the villages. well outside chance it was truly it is. busy after enormous proportions that always took a back for us today. yes, yes. did the military make any changes related to the policy of using bern pitts after the book came out shortly with, with all of the reports of cancer's including these brain cancer's and brain cancer? that the son of president biden developed perhaps from the burn pit, and then and then your own research. it seems like something auto have been done, were any policy changes implemented? there has been changes done to help them better. but i did see a standard operating procedure and set up a base and they're still stated operations are still not federated.

don't understate for largest, for operational basis. like a lot of things like that with the, with the 5000 or more. is that the standard bridge? it was worth. so i don't know i yes. if you go to war again, time will tell you hard temperature incinerator trashes evolved over the years. it's not the same thing to be a lot more star plastics and and you know, some people say that they were 6 percent. sure. not only, but trash has done much worse. and you know, it's as though joe, we learned nothing from, from the use of ne, palm or burn pits in vietnam. i mean, every,

every school child knows you don't burn styrofoam, and you don't burn plastic and you don't live next to the garbage dump. and, and to the incinerator, yet we force our, our soldiers to do exactly those things. it just makes no sense to me. when saddam saying set the fire, that was like the, for the worse of our mental disaster. they say in the history the world. but what about these, that they right, they burns returning months. what about these burg that we had 273 on the earth for 10 years. oh my god. you know, that puts it in perspective. does they, the military does not they, they preaching good environmental programs, you know, practice with the bridge. joe,

tell us what your next project is. you become something of a cross between a whistleblower and an investigative journalist. what are you looking at next? i am looking at i am looking at the 1st one ever told the sexual and how they're being recorded. how fantastic and made one of your. ready pretty, pretty confidential right now, but it's well without, without pressing you too far. it sounds like this is going to be something that is going to be newsworthy, like mainstream media, newsworthy. yes. happy. wow. and i hope you don't get too much push back from the military. oh, you know, we live in that world. yeah. we did. we did. well, i would like to thank our guest today, joseph hickman. not just for joining us,

but for his heroism in standing up to wrong doing. and i mean wrong doing at great personal risk. remember, the arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice. those are the words of doctor martin luther king. and thanks to people like joe hickman, we can live those words. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistleblowers. i'm john kerry. aku, we're going to see you next time the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 0, my name is frank richardson, philadelphia got in the movement in age 13 going on 14. we were violent towards those people because we believed that we're in a race. we were here 1st and this is our country being part of that movement. i got

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