nasa and india are also members of the organisation in the middle east. china has been cultivating partnerships amid diminishing us influence china recently, bro, could a pivotal agreement between saudi arabia and iran for those formal rivals to reinstate the diplomatic relations? saudi state energy company, aramco has also signed to major deals with beijing for corporation in the oil industry, political and economic expert highlight. but harvey says that the u. s. reneged on a key all agreement with saudi arabia. so the middle east and country has opposite for closer ties with china. well, they chose to withdraw from the region and concentrate its force and focus on shy and tricia. we didn't to ask care to, to leave the, they just decided to leave and looked us on our own. and therefore the

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payroll caught off loud. peter, the val is up next on for silk and we'll be back in just on the 30 minutes with ah. hello, in, welcome to cross out. were all things are considered i'm peter labelle. foreign policy is rarely front in central american electoral politics. however, biden's nato proxy war in ukraine against russia is turning into an exception, as long as it takes and blank checks are not going down well with the g o p base. can republicans afford to continue to support biden's war with

cross stocking the g o p. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal and media analyst in miami. we have nicholas davies. he is co author of war and ukraine making sense of a senseless conflict. and in budapest, across the george semi welly, he's a podcast to read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. right? gentleman cross sack rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate why don't i guess a very simple question here. as i said in my introduction, foreign policy rarely pays plays a big role in notarial politics in america. but we have a presidential cycle coming up, and the issue of ukraine is in play here. it's in play very much in the republican party. we seem to have the elite very much in support of it and the base, not so much. is this good if the war continues? this is going to be a wedge issue, lionel. no, the only thing that i will play in, by the way, let me backtrack

a bit. it's very rare when you have left and right and whatever iteration this is agreeing on something in theory, they believed in this disconnected kind of a psychotic thing called the war, or in ukraine and supporting ukraine on the front page of the new york posters. ukrainian flag and that's it. so they support some thing. the problem is going to be from the g o p base is, where's the money going, how much is the money? how long will that? because it's a money issue. it's a fiscal. democrats really don't know anything about it. they have this idea about freedom or something. they are less concerned, but it will not be a wedge issue. it will not be of any importance. the only thing the only because remember, left and right are exactly the same is going to be what about an accounting? what about justifying where the money is going? is it perhaps wasted from the monetary fiscal point of view? that will be the, the, the focus of interest. okay. how about you, george?

okay. i agree with lionel. i mean that, that, that's the, the, the wedge issue, that a lot of many in the republican party, where is the money going, why is it and was playing check, as i said in my introduction. but it's, it is a wedge between the leads and the base, and that's kind of important here. go ahead, george. i agree. it's not a, i mean, i don't, i agree with you, but i don't agree with lionel. i think it is a very big issue. and it goes much beyond where the money going, the issue, as trump, as laid it out, that we're heading towards world war $3.00. we're heading towards a possible nuclear compensation with another nuclear superpower. and we need to stop it. trump said, oh where's, where's the money going? he has said, we need to cease fire immediately, and we need to bring this war to an end immediately that he's blaze a trail among the republicans. the scientist is trying to maneuver and to find out

where he's going to go trumps opponents. the ones is going to say, oh, you know, we all the way with zalinski. they're in significant. they're going to be kicked out of the race. by the time we get to new hampshire, but i think it is a very big issue and i think it will be a big issue in the primary and in the general election because i think the trunk will probably be the the g o. p nominate and he is going to raise this issue that this is biden's war and, and i think it's going to be, i mean, if it was still going them, it will be an important issue in the election. nicholas, i find it really interesting where we can go beyond left and right democrat republican. again, we have a presidential election cycle where the, there's an anti war sentiment that is very, very real in the body politic. now, as it goes up the chain of command as it were, we have believe that they don't want to reflect that donald trump in 2016 if you'd

like them or hate him, it doesn't matter. but he did tap into that and people responded. and so, but it, i think it's very important that the, the, we have some of the members of the g o. p that we're representing the sentiments of the grassroots now because it's biden's, while the democrats are going to go along with it, they are always democrats are always in lock step with each other. ok. but the further you go down the chain, the more people question these 4 and adventures. nicholas? yeah, people are, and the, at the, at the poll numbers are shifting in terms of the proportion of americans who actually support and negotiated peace to bring this a horrific war. to an end as quickly as possible. however, i just want to tell you of you as about a recent gallup poll. this was a poll asking americans about quote, unquote, threats to america, and asking and asking them to,

to rank them really art. so on 11 issues that people were asked about the war in ukraine ranked 70 out of 11. and so, so while, when you asked people directly about it more and more of them support a ceasefire and negotiate, i mean, nicholas, i can interact with mrs. mariana, this is erin from what it's very important what you're saying here. because when you think about it, the day lose of, of our media coverage from the, the legacy media about the conflict and you're saying it rank 7 that tells you a lot. and most of these media outlets are very, very liberal in step with the democratic party. so that tells you a lot there, lionel, and let me go back to you in new york. why don't the republicans cease to say, this is biden's war and be done with it? i mean, that is elaine, that's open please let me clarify something and i don't disagree with

my dear colleague george in terms of the issues i'm talking about what is on the mind of the american voter 1st. they don't know anything about it. so if you told them, you know, there's about $800.00 military bases and 70 countries, they have no clue. trump will not be the nominee. this is, this is, this is collapsing the for your very eyes there is, i mean the more he speaks, this is in the side by the way, things are changing drastically. it's going to be a battle by the way, between gavin newsome and whoever decides that they're stupid enough to run for the g o p nominee. what the american people think has been generations and generations of the fact that we don't have anything to worry about that over there. vietnam taught us nothing. we don't care when i say we the average joe 6 pack middle of the curve. kind of an undecided sort of and nominal voter believes that these wars

always kind of shorted take care of themselves, nuclear and theoretical but thatch over there. i say this not out of out of a joke, but people couldn't find ukraine on a map. that's critical geography. this means nothing. so what they do is they have this idea of supporting this, this heraldic, this, this, this some romantic zalinski with a t shirt spiting. you've got, of course, you know, the left in hollywood coming in. so they believe this kind of a kind of an, a more fish kind of idea, but supporting so can with that. so down inside, it's a little any thinking about yeah, with there just here. so you there just all being lied to here. just george. let me go back now in budapest, i, eric lionel brought up a vietnam. we could bring up um, iraq, afghanistan, syria, we can bring up a, a la libya. um, but those were all on the periphery. this is toe to toe. if i could quote the,

the great film a dr. strange love me, this is insanity going great powers going toe to toe, as i've said many times in this program, that creates an existential equation. one power could and will lose george? yes sir, that's right. and the end, the record is surely that on the american voters vote for peace, or they don't vote for the war candidate. and the george w bush's was in iraq. and he barely won in 2004 questionable whether he even won. but in 2006, 2008, there was an overwhelming anti war vote. and that's really the, the record in the united states now, so far on the, this war hasn't really hurt americans. but if this continues, the biden cycle continues inexorably towards

a serious collision with russia. then americans are going to really feel it. and that attitude are well, it's over there and it's nothing to do with us. that's going to disappear very quickly. and there's going to be a great deal of anxiety. and then the candidate who says this is madness. we have to get off, he's going to be the winner and nicholas, and this is not to say this is precisely um, why the media at the corporate media here in the u. s. have have presented a picture of the war to the american public. that says, this is a war that the u. s. is not directly involved in, they don't want americans comparing it to iraq. i'm. which is, which is what medea and i just did, ah, in, in an article which we titled, ah, the not so winding road from iraq to ukraine and bad weather

people are going to. yet that in time for the election ah, remains to be seen as long as they followed the wall to wall coverage, presenting this as not really our business, but we're just trying to help these poor people in ukraine and as long as a lot of people still believe that, ah, then it won't have much impact on the election. okay, well line up real quickly. if the, if is this biden's war is or is it a unit party war? it's even more complicated. we haven't even gotten to the point that way till to use moorish. i'm his work work way till this. and america realizes this is going to be a frozen conflict. there is no resolution. there's no, there's no battleship missouri or whatever it was. this is going to be the 38th parallel. again, this is an ending. so that way to throw that into the mix,

you're going to have a dysfunctional rump state, maybe this thing called ukraine, which, which, which wants to be part of the west, which implies nato involvement, which russia has said, absolutely not. explain that to people. this is going to be ne, would be korea all over again. there's no cessation. there's no finality. throw that into this cods me. well, we're gonna, we're going to consider that issue as we approach the break here. gentlemen, we're gonna go to a short break. and after that your brain will continue our discussion on the g o. p and ukraine stay with oxy. ah ah, ah

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is going to end in ukraine. i will, i express very different opinion that it will be very definitive. okay, that's why russia is continuing this conflict. it's not looking for a ceasefire. not looking for an off ramp is going to continue until ukraine is completely demilitarised. d nato eyes. and we'll have a government in power in care of that is not hostile. that's going to be the outcome, george. well, i don't know that will be the outcome. i think that's the russian objective. but i do agree with you that the frozen conflict of possibility is out the door the united states is all in and they're not going to just allow a frozen conflict to stay there and just and then okay, we'll, we'll give the russians a break for 5 years the bigler administration believes that they've got the russians on the wrong, that's what we believe. but those saying that that's the correct view, but they believe they've got the russians on the wrong. and then they just need to

keep pouring in more and more and more. and eventually they're just going to bring russia to its knees, effect the regime change in, in moscow, maybe the only gosh, will throw up. that's, i think the way they're thinking. so there isn't going to be the frozen conflict that we had the car was in, in georgia. i think it's, it's all the way through to the end and, and what you're the way that you've outlined that may well be the final outcome. it will take some time before we reach it, but the, that, that's all the georgian solution, then the goal of car box solution on the trans mystery. i don't think that's a possibility in ukraine. george means have such a good point and i, my question will be intentionally very provocative. ok to kind of pull this, pull the thread on this here. nicholas my, my point in this theory is that going back to great power struggles to me during

the cold war, it was proxies on the periphery. no major part of the soviet union didn't feel the any eminent in american attack. the united states was never eminently going to attack the soviet union, but now the biden administration is set it up where it is toe to toe with major powers, and neither is going to back down. and that's what makes this so very dangerous. that on top of it, you have a regime in kev that is willing to send its young and into a meat grinder. okay. have its economy completely, a collapse turning into a failed state. okay. the and so i don't see, and this is why i'm so worried about this as, as conflict goes on, that neither side is going to back down. there is no win win here. nicholas. ah, yeah, well b, as there was a win win on the table in march, i got as far it reached the point that our president, so lensky and ukraine went on national tv to basically announce it to his people and arm to reassure them that he was not giving away the store, but it was,

they had reached in a matter of weeks and a resolution that was acceptable to both sides, which involved, ah ukraine, giving up its ambitions to join nato. ah, and committing to not host, ah, our western military forces or missile miss our batteries on its territory. and in exchange for that, russia was willing to withdraw. ah, you know, from all the territory that it had occupied since february the 24th. it's hard for me to see frankly, that even as the war has escalated well beyond, ah, where it was, and on the u. s. and nato have got more directly involved since then, and hundreds of thousands of people have been killed since then since the u. s. and

u. k. persuaded ukraine to see as boris johnson put it to stop talking to putin and concentrate on defeating him. so as far as i can see, ah, that that basic, that basic, ah, framework for an agreement. nothing, nothing that went into that has really changed. and um, so i think far from being a frozen conflict there had a really, really needs to be for the sake of the people of ukraine and the people of the whole world threatened with nuclear war. there needs to be a general resolution that both sides set around a table and agree that they can live with not, not like um, what uminski ll agreement that the west never intended to comply with. i'm betcha a genuine resolution that that takes everybody's um, genuine interest. well,

that's good. that goes back to the very beginning and nicholas before i go to lionel here. so lensky wasn't persuaded. he was ordered. okay. i was told not to do that to you. ordering a sovereign country were told, ah, not to invoke, engage in the process of saving its very existence. okay. with frank, with brand like london in washington camp doesn't need any enemies. okay, lionel, i'm glad that nicholas brought this up because we already know what the russians want everywhere. what spook and thinking, what is russia one? it's all, it's patently obvious. it was made known in december months before the conflict. have a european security architecture that involves russia, that it is not against russia and does not exclude russia. this is patently obvious . the blueprint for peace, for a peaceful settlement in europe is in front of our eyes now. but washington refit

avails, to respect that lionel, looking at the initial, if you will, the prologue, gum man on the, you know, the preface of our discussion today. you asked about how is this going to impact g o p. electrons, whatever, in 2024. and i'm talking about this now from an election point of view versus what you're saying. and you, everyone here is 100 percent, correct. and in terms of a path to peace, what is going to happen regarding the election is as follows. number one, he been mind, most americans don't understand nato usa. they don't know when nato is. they don't understand the e you, there are no brussels in on. it doesn't, it's this, they're the good guys somewhere, somehow. ok, they're over there. what buying is going to do? what the democratic it was, they're going to claim victory if victory, peace, what honor, whatever you want to call it, they will order their statist sock puppet media to announce either that the,

the war, the conflict military operation is over. there rush has been drowned that zalinski is victorious and we're going to make some kind of a of a pattern or implicit withdrawl or something, some form of cessation and victory, which the very gullible voter will believe after having been saturated with a media approach that says it's over good news, the war is done. we're finished. let's move on. meanwhile, what the rest of the world knows what you know, what you think of what you read is going to be completely different. there needs to be this cessation, here's the best part, left and right. democrats, republicans will both celebrate it because it's time to move on. this is not the subject that american voters are going to be really hanging on to. they think about it. existentially perhaps in a rear view mirror, what americans worried about his crime and taxes and, and just weird kind of a crazy society that we're living in. so what's gonna happen is, remember,

you heard it here 1st. there will be this declaration of either cessation victory, whatever that will completely i'd contradict reality. but as far as we're concerned here, the voting or the voter and 2024, it'll be fine. let's just be done with this and move on, because this is a theoretical issue that most americans think about. but don't stay up late worrying about, well, i don't, you know, and, you know, going back to what nicholas said, you know, went with the, the initial piece proposal that we had a few weeks after the start of the conflict that sarah could have worked out with what you just said right now, but george, we're way past that point right now. because george, the objective is regime change in moscow. it's as nothing to do with ukraine. i can't see how they're going to call this off george. no, i don't see how that can work. that's all. and if bike did try to do that, but we've got peace with honor. he will be absolutely hold on apple side from all

of the republicans and that would involve the will, the, the intervention is like the mitch mcconnell and mccaul and all the re, lindsey graham and the rest of them as well as the kind of the intervention is like budget retail agreed, they're all going to pylon bite and he's not going to be able to pull this off as a kind of piece with on it because i broke when nixon did the piece with honor in 972, it did look like a piece with all i did look like america had achieved its objective. here. as you said, each of the objectives are, they want to get rid of a book in, and they want russia to collapse and disintegrate. then all going to be able to pull off and say, you know, losing half of your brain and say, hey, we want, we pull this out. so i don't see how that can work. yeah, i mean, nicholas, it would have to the only way i could possibly work in the most imaginative unicorn universe is that, well, you could say we one because moscow didn't make it to paris. i mean, it is we,

i guess it could go with that path. good. i mean, i'm serious. go ahead there. well they, they certainly could try that. and i think what close to most americans don't realize, of course, is that the last time the united states actually won a war unless you count recovering small, neo colonial outposts like grenada panama. and i'm a kuwait. i think they're probably the only ones um, other than that the u. s. has not won a war since 1945. and they, and they really only one that one because they were allies of the soviet union who did most of the fighting. i'm here once again we have a war in which others are doing and really all the fighting. and i, i think little by little americans are realizing

ah, that, that they're not being told the truth. but oh, out what point at what point, what will it take for this to rise from number 7 out of 11 threats to america in a nation wide pole? at what point will this actually really take hold as, as something that americans actually see ah, their, their own existence as being threatened with. in other words, nuclear war we, i mean we have dismantled the entire right truck. that was developed after the cuban missile crisis class. unfortunately, gentlemen, were brought out of time. but nicholas is ending. point about arms control is one of the greatest casualties of the last few years. and one of the reasons why we are

where we are right now. it's all the time. i want to thank my guests in new york, miami, and in budapest, i want to thank my thanks for watching us here to see you next time. remember, across a ah ah ah

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