more the cross talking the g o p. i'm joined by my guess lydel in new york. he is illegal in media analyst in miami. we have nicholas davies. he is co author of war and ukraine making sense of a sense was conflict. and in budapest we cross the jordan, sent me well he, he's a podcast or it's a gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals, or gentleman cross sack rules and effects. that means you can jump anytime you want . and i always appreciate why don't i guess a very simple question here. as i said in my introduction, foreign policy rarely pay plays a big role in a toral politics in america. but we have a presidential cycle coming up. and the issue of ukraine is in play here. it's in play very much in the republican party. we seem to have the elite very much in support of it. and the base, not so much. is this going to if the war continues, this is going to be a wedge issue, lionel. no, the only thing that i will play in, by the way, let me backtrack

a bit. it's very rare when you have left and right and whatever iteration this is agreeing on something in theory, they believed in this disconnected kind of a psychotic thing called the war, or in ukraine and supporting ukraine on the front page of the new york posters. ukrainian flag and that's it. so they support some thing. the problem is going to be from the g o p base is, where's the money going, how much is the money? how long will that? because it's a money issue. it's a fiscal. democrats really don't know anything about it. they have this idea about freedom or something. they are less concerned, but it will not be a wedge is you? it will not be of any importance. the only thing the only because remember, left and right are exactly the same is going to be what about an accounting? what about justifying where the money is going? is it perhaps wasted from the monetary fiscal point of view? that will be the, the, the focus of interest. okay. how about you, george?

okay. i agree with lionel. i mean that, that, that's the, the, the wedge issue, that a lot of many in the republican party words the money going, why is it and was flying check, as i said in my introduction. but it's, it is a wedge between the leads and the base, and that's kind of important here. go ahead, george. i agree. it's not a, i mean, i don't, i agree with you, but i don't agree with lionel. i think it is a very big issue. and it goes much beyond where's the money going? the issue, as trump as laid it out, that we're heading towards world war $3.00. we're heading towards a possible nuclear compensation with another nuclear superpower. and we need to stop it. trump said, oh where's, where's the money going? he has said, we need to cease fire immediately, and we need to bring this war to an end immediately that he's blaze a trail among the republicans. the scientist is trying to maneuver and to find out

where he's going to go trumps opponents. the ones is going to say, oh, you know, we all the way with the landscape there. insignificant. they're going to be kicked out of the race. by the time we get to new hampshire, but i think it is a very big issue and i think it will be a big issue in the primary and in the general election because i think the trunk will probably be the the g o. p nominate and he is going to raise this issue that this is biden's war and, and i think it's going to be, i mean, if it was still going, then it will be an important issue in the election. nicholas, i find it really interesting where we can go beyond left and right democrat republican, you know, again, we have a presidential election cycle where the, there's an anti war sentiment that is very, very real in the body politic. now, as it goes up the chain of command as it were, we have beliefs that they don't want to reflect that. donald trump,

in 2016 if you like them or hate him, it doesn't matter. but he did tap into that and people responded. and so, but it, i think it's very important that we have some members of the g o, p, that we're representing the sentiments of the grassroots. now, because it's biden's, while the democrats are going to go along with that, they are always democrats are always in lock step with each other. ok. but the further you go down the chain, the more people question these 4 and adventures. nicholas, yes, people are and the, at the, at the poll numbers are shifting in terms of the proportion of americans who actually support a negotiated piece to bring this a horrific war to an end as quickly as possible. however, i just want to tell you of yours about a recent gallup poll. this was a poll asking americans about quote, unquote, threats to america, and asking and asking them to,

to rank them really aren't so on 11 issues that people were asked about the war in ukraine rank 7 out of 11 and so. so while, when you asked people directly about it more and more of them support a ceasefire and negotiate, i mean, nicholas, if i can interact mrs. mariana, this is where i'm from. what? it's very important what you're saying here. because when you think about it, the day lose of, of our media coverage from the, the legacy media about the conflict and you're saying it rank 7 that tells you a lot. and most of these media outlets are very, very liberal in, in step with the democratic party. so that tells you a lot there, lionel, let me go back to you in new york. why don't the republican see say, this is biden's war and be done with it? i mean, that is a lame that's open please let me clarify something and i don't

disagree with my dear colleague george in terms of the issues i'm talking about what is on the mind of the american vote her 1st. they don't know anything about it . if you told them, you know, there's about 800 military bases and 70 countries, they have no clue. trump will not be the nominee. this is, this is, this is collapsing before your very eyes. there is, i mean the more he speaks, this is an aside by the way, things are changing drastically. it's going to be a battle by the way, between gavin newsome and whoever decides that they're stupid enough to run for the g o p nominee. what the american people think has been generations and generations of the fact that we don't have anything to worry about that over there. vietnam taught us nothing. it, we don't care when i say we the average joe 6 pack middle of the curve. kind of an undecided sort of an nominal voter believes that these wars always kind of shorted

take care of themselves, nuclear and theoretical but thatch over there. i say this not out of, of a joke, but people couldn't find ukraine on a map. that's critical geography. this means nothing. so what they do is they have this idea of supporting this, this heraldic dis, this, this some romantic zalinski with a t shirt spiting. you've got of course, you know, the left and hollywood coming in suddenly believe this kind of a kind of an, a more fish kind of idea, but supporting so good with that. so down inside, it's a little any thinking about yeah, what they're just there. and so you, they're just all being lied to here. just george, let me go back. now in budapest, i, lionel brought up a vietnam. we could bring up um, iraq, afghanistan, syria, we can bring up a, a la libya. but those were all on the periphery. this is toe to toe if i could

quote the, the great film a doctor, strange love me. this is insanity going great. powers going toe to toe. as i've said many times in this program, that creates an existential equation. one power could and will lose george. yes. sir, that's right, and the end, the record is surely that on the american voters vote for peace or they don't vote for the war candidate. and the george w bush's was in iraq and he barely won in 2004 questionable whether he even won. but in 2006, 2008, there was an overwhelming anti war vote. and that's really the, the record in the united states now, so far on the, this war hasn't really hurt americans. but if this continues, the biden cycle continues inexorably towards a serious collision with russia. then americans are going to really feel it. and

that attitude are well, it's over there and it's nothing to do with us. that's going to disappear very quickly. and there's going to be a great deal of anxiety. and then the candidate who says this is madness. we have to get off, he's going to be the winner and nicholas, and this is not to say this is precisely um, why the media to corporate media here in the u. s. have have presented a picture of the war to the american public that says, this is a war that the u. s. is not directly involved in. they don't want americans comparing it to iraq. i'm, which is which is what my dear and i just did. ah, in the, in an article which we titled, ah, it than not so winding road from iraq to ukraine and

bad weather people are going to get that in time for the election ah, remains to be seen as long as they followed the wall to wall coverage presenting this as not really our business, but we're just trying to help these poor people in ukraine and as long as a lot of people still believe that, ah, then i won't have much impact on the election. okay, well i know real quickly. it the, it is this biden's war is, or is it a unit party war? it's even more complicated. we haven't even gotten to the parts that way till 2 years. you don, your time is work worked way till this in america realizes this is going to be a frozen conflict. there is no resolution. there's no, there's no battleship missouri or whatever it was. this is going to be the 38th parallel. again, this is an ending, so that way to throw that into the mix,

you're going to have a dysfunctional rump state, maybe this thing called ukraine, which, which, which wants to be part of the west, which implies nato involvement, which russia has said, absolutely not. explain that to people. this is going to be north. this would be korea all over again. there's no cessation. there's no finality. throw that into this cods me. well, we're gonna, we're going to consider that issue as we approach the break air gentlemen. we're gonna go to a short break, and after that your brain will continue our discussion on the g o. p and ukraine. stay with our team. ah, ah, no one else seem wrong when all 3, just don't hold any rules yet to see out. the see because the ticket

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welcome back. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter about to read . you were discussing the g o. p and ukraine's. ah okay, let's go back to george in budapest, we entered the 1st part of the program, look, looking at a possible prognosis and how this conflict was go is going to end in ukraine. i will, i express very different opinion that it will be very definitive. ok, that's why russia is continuing this conflict. it's not looking for a ceasefire. not looking for an off ramp is going to continue until ukraine is completely demilitarised. d nato eyes. and we'll have a government in power in care of that is not hostile. that's going to be the outcome, george. well, i don't know whether that will be the outcome. i think that's the russian objective . but i do agree with you that the frozen conflict of possibility is

out the door, the united states is all in and then all going to just allow a frozen complex to stay there. and just and then, okay, we'll, we'll give the russians a break for 5 years. the bigler administration believes that they've got the russians on the run. that's what we believe. but those saying that that's the correct view, but they believe they've got the russians on the wrong. and then they just need to keep pouring in more and more and more. and eventually they're just going to bring russia to its knees, effect the regime change in, in moscow, maybe the only gosh, will throw up. that's, i think the way they're thinking. so there isn't going to be the frozen conflict that we had. the car was in, in georgia. i think it's, it's all the way through to the end. and then, and what you're the way that you've outlined that may well be the final outcome. it'll take some time before we reach it. but the, that,

that's all the georgian solution then the goal car box solution on the transistor. yeah, i don't think that's a possibility in ukraine. george means have such a good point. and i, my question would be intentionally very provocative. ok to kind of pull this, pull the thread on this here. nicholas my, my point in this theory is going back to great power struggles to me during the cold war was proxies on the periphery. no major part of the soviet union didn't feel the, any eminent in american attack. the united states was never eminently going to attack the soviet union. but now the biden administration is set it up where it is toe to toe with major powers. and neither is going to back down and that's what makes this so very dangerous. that on top of it, we have a regime in kev that is willing to send its young and into a meat grinder. okay. have its economy completely, a collapse turning into a failed state. okay. the and so i don't see,

and this is why i'm so worried about this as, as conflict goes on, that neither side is going to back down. there is no win win here. nicholas. ah, yeah, well the, there was a win win on the table in march. i got as far as i reached the point that our presidents are lensky and ukraine, went on national tv to basically announce it to his people. and i'm to reassure them that he was not giving away the store, but it was, they had reached in a matter of weeks and a resolution that was acceptable to both sides, which involved, ah, ukraine, giving up its ambitions to join nato. ah, and committing to not host, ah, our western military forces or missile miss our batteries on its territory. and in exchange for that, russia was willing to withdraw. ah, you know,

from all the territory that it had occupied since february the 24th. it's hard for me to see frankly, there, even as the war has escalated well beyond, ah, where it was. and on the u. s. and nato have got more directly involved since then, and hundreds of thousands of people have been killed since then since the u. s. and u. k. persuaded ukraine to see as boris johnson put it to stop talking to putin and concentrate on defeating him. so as far as i can see, ah, that that basic, that basic, ah, framework for an agreement. nothing, nothing that went into that has really changed. and um, so i think far from being a frozen conflict, the head, the really, really needs to be for the sake of the people of the ukraine and the people of the

whole world threatened with nuclear war. there needs to be a genuine resolution that both sides set around the table and agree that they can live with not, not like um, what uminski agreement that the west never intended to comply with. ah, but a genuine resolution that that takes everybody's um, genuine interest. well, that's that, that goes back to the very beginning and, and nicholas before i go to lionel here. so lensky wasn't persuaded. he was ordered . okay. i was told not to do that to you ordering a sovereign country, we are told, ah, not to invoke engage in the process of saving its very existence. okay. would, i would with brand like london in washington camp doesn't need any enemies. okay, lionel, i'm glad that nicholas brought this up because we already know what the russians

want everywhere. what spook and thinking, what is russia one it's, it's all, it's patently obvious. it was made known in december months before the conflict have a european security architecture that involves russia, that it is not against russia and does not exclude russia. this is patently obvious . the blueprint for peace, for a peaceful settlement in europe is in front of our eyes now. but washington refit avails, to respect that line all looking at the initial, if you will, the prologue, gum, vernon and the, you know, the preface of our discussion today. you asked about how is this going to impact g o p. electrons, whatever in 2024. and i'm talking about this now from an election point of view versus what you're saying. and you, everyone here is 100 percent. correct. and in terms of a path to peace, what is going to happen regarding the election is as follows. number one, he been mind, most americans don't understand nato usa. they don't know when nato it,

they don't understand. e, you, there are no brussels hero name doesn't. it's this, they're the good guys somewhere, somehow. ok, they're over there. what buying is going to do? what the democratic it was, they're going to claim victory, victory, peace, what honor, whatever you want to call it. they will order their statist sock puppet media to announce either that the, the war, the conflict military operation is over. there rush has been drowned. that zalinski is victorious. and we're going to make some kind of a, of a pattern or implicit withdrawl or something. some form of cessation and victory, which the very gullible voter will believe after having been saturated with a media approach that says it's over good news, the war is done. we're finished. let's move on. meanwhile, what the rest of the world knows what you know, what you think of what you read is going to be completely different. there needs to

be this cessation, here's the best part, left and right. democrats, republicans will both celebrate it because it's time to move on. this is not the subject that american voters are going to be really hanging on to. they think about it. existentially perhaps in a rear view mirror, what americans worried about his crime and taxes and, and just weird kind of a crazy society that we're living in. so what's gonna happen and remember, you heard it here 1st. there will be this declaration of either cessation victory, whatever that will completely contradict reality. but as far as we're concerned here, the voting or the voter and 2024, it'll be fine. let's just be done with this and move on, because this is a theoretical issue that most americans think about. but don't stay up late worrying about, well, i don't, you know, and, you know, going back to what nicholas said, you know, went with the, the initial piece proposal that we had a few weeks after the start of the conflict that sarah could have worked out with

what you just said right now, but george, we're way past that point right now. because george, the objective is regime change in moscow. it's as nothing to do with ukraine. i can't see how they're going to call this off george. no, i don't see how that can work at all and if i can get try to do that. but we've got peace with on a he will be absolutely hummel for all sides from all of the republicans. and that would involve the will, the intervention is all like the mitch mcconnell and mccall and all the re lindsey graham and the rest of them as well as the kind of the and intervention. it's like a modern retail agreed. they're all going to pylon biden is not going to be able to pull it off as a kind of piece with honor because i broke when nixon did the piece with honor in 972, it did look like a piece went on. i did like america, the chief that's objective here. as you say, feet of the objectives are they want to get rid of putin and they want russia to

collapse and disintegrate. and then i'm going to be able to pull off and say, you know, losing half of ukraine and say, hey, we one, we pull this out. so i don't see how that can work. yeah, i mean, nicholas, it would have to the only way it could possibly work in the most imaginative unicorn universe is that? well, you could say we one because i'm moscow didn't make it to paris. i mean, we, i guess they can go that path. good. i mean, i'm serious. go ahead there. well they, they certainly could try that. and i think what was most americans don't realize, of course, is that the last time the united states actually won a war unless you count recovering small, neo colonial outposts like grenada, panama, and a kuwait. i think they're probably the only ones um,

other than that the u. s. has not won a war since 945. and they, and they really only one that one because they were allies of the soviet union. who did most of the fighting. i'm here once again we have a war in which others are doing and really all the fighting. and i, i think little by little americans ah, realizing, ah, that, that then not being told the truth, but oh, out what point at what point, what will it take for this to rise from number 7 out of 11 threats to america in a nation wide poll at what point will this actually really take hold as, as something that americans actually see ah, their,

their own existence as being threatened with. in other words, nuclear war we, i mean we have dismantled the entire right truck. that was developed after the cuban missile crisis class. unfortunately, going gentlemen were brought out of time, but nicholas is ending. point about arms control is one of the greatest casualties of the last few years. and one of the reasons why we are where we are right now. it's all the time. i want to thank my guests in new york, miami, and in budapest, i want to thank my worse for watching us here at r t c a next time. remember across sub world ah ah ah, need to come to the russian state. little never be outside as on the north lansky

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