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and see what gives you a certain amount of privilege, but that privilege is also accompanied with responsibility and the words then therefore, expect you to be here in a manner that he and that is more responsible, more mature. you also have to kind of be couple your own interest with the global interest. i guess every country around the world, especially the u. s. i'm sure even the u. s. is a read of all this. and that's the reason why the twins are moving. it's essentially a function of becoming a multi point word, and that's why the guarantees are going to be multiple. so really fascinated commentary of every vikram lives. a public policy analyst and business analyst as well. joining us here and auntie international. thank you very much for joining us . thank you, laurie. thank you. thank you as well for joining us and sharing your start today with all of us here at asi international in moscow way back soon with ah. 2 2 2 2
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we've talked a lot about national security whistleblowers this season. the average whistleblower is somebody in the middle of his or her career who sees evidence of waste fraud abuse illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. those whistleblowers usually have 5 to 15 years or so in their agencies and they're concerned about upholding their own to the constitution. it's unusual when a senior officer, a very senior officer, blows the whistle and jeopardizes his career. but that's exactly what our next guest did. and the united states is a better place because of his actions. i'm john kerry, aka, and you're watching the whistleblowers. ah, william bill binnie was the 4th ranking officer in the national security agency or n s a at the time of the september 11th attacks. as the agencies technical director, he was one of the most highly cleared officers in the entire organization. after
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the september 11th attacks, the n. s a and other national security agencies were scrambling to recover. and at the same time to make the u. s. a safer place but some of the more cynical leaders at an essay. busy also saw an opportunity, they saw an opportunity to do something in the name of national security that had here to, for been denied to them. it was against the law. and indeed it was against any phase own charter to spy on american citizens or us persons. those people in the united states on a green card and essays director at the time general michael hayden decided to act immediately. knowing that his actions were in violation of the law. he likely believe that it was better to act now and ask forgiveness later he enacted a program allowing an essay to spy on literally every american. it was a game changing decision, patently illegal and extraordinarily expensive. our next guest and several of his colleagues decided to make
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a complaint in the department of defense inspector general, alleging that an essay was wasting millions and millions of dollars on trailblazer a system intended to analyze mass collection of data carried on communications networks, such as the internet bill biddy had been one of the inventors of an alternative system called thin thread, which was shelves when the more expensive and more intrusive trailblazer was chosen . benny was publicly critical of an essay spying on american citizens after september. 11th saying that trailblazer quote was better than anything that the k g b, the stuffy, or the gestapo, and s, s, ever had, unquote. he added that and say with all of its advanced technology, had failed to uncover the 911 plot. and he said an essay had collected but had not analyzed information that would have garnered timely attention. with the leaner and more focused thin thread. we're happy to have bill benny with us today. welcome to the show bill. bill you were a very senior n s,
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a officer when the september 11th attacks occurred. as technical director, you were intimately involved in the creation of thin thread, which was an effective and cost effective technology designed to keep american safe and to disrupt future terrorist attacks. what happened to thin thread, why didn't essays, leadership elect to go with trailblazer. and i don't mean to sound cynical, but was this just because the 911 attacks allowed them an opportunity to do whatever it was that they wanted the lobby? damned yes. in fact, there was evidence that they wanted to do both acquisition of data on every us citizen, everybody in the world, even before 911 because they went to do. jo, not, you know, was the ceo of quest corporation. and they asked him, this was in february, this is in the court referenced by the way, this was in february of 2001 about 67 months before and 911 before 911. and they were asking in for all hundreds of billions of trillions of transaction,
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it doesn't matter to tell a terry estate move. and i said that right from the beginning, internally and examine and 7 what they did the trumpet, my long gated evidence that they were apa david and the judges don't know anything . bill you had an absolutely horrible whistleblower experi we're always told to do . you went through the chain of command when you didn't, soon after the f b i rated your house and pulled you naked out of us about that awful experience. well, you know, the on the, on the dish, the inspector general, the dement regulation you are required to report fraud, waste abuse in from an hour and a defense. if you're in the department, vince other departments have other inspected out use before we day. and, and we also went to the house intelligence committee because i break there any number of times in, in an essay report the, the unconstitutional unconstitutional vibe and an essay in biling, the privacy rights of all you as citizens. i mean, they switched from doing,
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from doing a final reason, smuggling drug smuggling groups or from doing that to spying on individuals. everybody on the, when they did that, i mean, you knew right away. there were only 2 reasons, right? lost a lot of money, which, which we've all paid for that by $10.00 beers. you know, you can it up and he a building an empire. that's what hang like, he like to build an empire. but then under cheney, that would give him evidence of everybody that's an abundance that he could interrogate and retroactively analyze. and as the current events are proceeding to see what people were thinking, planning or what they were, they were in the power and gave him at that point to listen to basic reasons they were from the beginning. was that that was an ineffective way if you really want it to do, which is great it project of predict intentions and capability. so in advance, so you can actually do something to stop them and prevent them. what they've done by doing this market because this is mean they, there's too much data to find in time to find the threat. so what they have to do
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is revert forensics after the fact. here's the attack, who get it with all the data and find on everybody in the past that they've ever been associated. so you could reconstruct their entire network out of that, but that's a police job that's not a fat man and made them all dysfunctional. they couldn't find the plots coming to the world. why? it's not just us, it's everybody's role going this way. you certainly you didn't commit any crime. you did exactly what a whistleblower property was seized and held. you had to file a lawsuit. you know that in the case of tom drake, who's been on this show, he never got photograph ever taken of his 5 children. you kurt attorneys at great personal expense. what were you accused of having done wrong? actually when we got it was, it was called a 41 g after they seize it air required by law, and they violate form us 6 months after they seize our property. what, what are they never did. so we sued them like 5 year in violation of that law,
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but then we what any challenge they had coming for it because we knew more about this whole thing and they had a department of justice lawyer there. it was representing the government and we'd be at lewis and myself. we went in and then sneak of the government because they were just absolute violation of the law and the judge had to throw them a phone because she did, she needed to save face for the government. a claim that we had some other got other government agencies set well, i mean, that got other government agencies never came into court to test to tell us what it was so we could defend it. so we had no due process, an actual government space. okay. as to how to justify their rate honest base, but that turned out to be we found out later the department of justice guy finer for customs and border protection. while we did that as an unclassified analyzing, go through their analysis process and make recommendations which we let it was just a whole, i'm his whole live, the judge didn't know anything, did whatever. the government says it's as truth and it's an outright lie almost every time that darcy, hey, and so,
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and allies there and they supported those lies look at on see executives that were retired. they came out saying that all this is computer materials, just information russian dis, information out just not quite why to manipulate the courts to manipulate the population of the country. as we used to say in the country. it for tom, you know, style security whistleblowers are encouraged to do. you went to the congressional committee employee you were working with also had her house rated. was it to keep the story of the waste of taxpayer money and the from a public? yeah, that's what it wants to keep is quite next. i knew that i knew what the reason why they were doing it and it was really getting mad at them. this was a ah, it took me out charged hallmark. he was guy told me, you know, it's, i'm going in a crime while he was after tom drake and dian rourke. those are the 2 at the box anyway. and so i find that they committed. he said, i think you're like so, so. ok, george bush,
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dick cheney hayden and tenant all conspired to subvert the car. and here's how they did it with the program called stellar wind. and i went through the entire process of cousin compiling it inside an essay and setting it out there for people analyzed . i could do when i was doing it because all these other agents weren't cleared for that program. he was worked. so when i was we got the only thing he could do is look at the flow. did they do that now? because they are part of the car and see and, and, and i wanted to time and both of them agree to those programs as well as to send one long before she came in to report it to them. because the house said that they, impeaching george bush is off the table. why you're a part of it. do you have to be in pete yourself not. so that's was there's out had no peach for it. and then the senate would try blowers. we're going to take a short break and return to our conversation with fame. 2 2 2 2 ah,
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united states, we've exported it now to the world because the multi national babies needs to be nurtured and cared for and loved and post traumatic stress disorder that don't know how to heal a lot. listen look, or do you live muscles? do you look they want to be almost can use to put bollywood today? orchard but it was a i see being used in the boss who no rules you motivation a. 2 2 welcome back. technical director, bill binnie, about his experience blowing the whistle on waste free agency bill. a part of the fall out from your revelations was in the confines of the law and of normal. and as
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a procedure, you were stir any admission of wrong doing on the part of an essay. well, i mean, they have to stick with no other words if they ever admit their line that. so they have to stick with the law. they started. and they said that all the basic governance says it's an outright lie this really in the end and the dnc and all the stuff that they were accusing after flynn and stone was false. and that's why they would let me testify to, you know, it's just that are in people start getting active to do things and fire these idiots. some respect for a constitution rights of individuals and humanity. the 1st of all, we've got a department of just us and you know, we are of the largest most populous newest banana and unfortunately that's the way it is. look at what's coming out there getting so much power. they don't care when anybody thinks they're going to say what can you, but you can see that they're afraid of us because they trumped up as crap on on see under, under. i also also try to get marshall lost on the basis so that they could do this
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. that's how you keep put wants to have. so you don't want the people to realize that they had the real power, denies it and say g. i get the power and i could do it frequently in the news, talking about the technical side of elections and related issues as you have for demanding to see evidence of election interfere last 10 years. and in the end, the mother report offered no proof that there was and 16 election oregon in 2020 are these acts to live with? or is it possible to successfully demand evidence, cia, or essays word for it when they make accusations, think absolutely, it's the a, f, b, r, and other agencies, the government like the home partner, homeland security party, you know, because all they did and that's all i kept the teen, after the snowing material came out, voyagers got it, and said, here's how your people and then how, what you have to do to do a parallel constraint court of law as you can introducing. and if they did,
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it wasn't acquired with a warrant to put people in jail. they're trying to cover it up with all chemical in the case against when jermel plan and k, john l h u car going into the supreme court, which was rejected cases. so they had to keep me out because, you know, i was, you know, they and they had, the evidence was clearly there that the oldest maternity database that was the forensics there was no. was it? yeah, there it is. this is a bad ball allocation table format. thumb drive cd roms, memory sticks, so they can try and keep us out that i want to hear from me. i have been trying to get into court with them, but i can't get there. there are so many different communication apps out there, including proton mail, telegram, and to, to nota, among others, vin tech companies have back doors into these communications. and that's the best way to have a private conversation. i actually the a safest ah,
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i would say b, they do a photograph of the outside of it for the address inc. financial transaction. all that built goes right into the into they know all that goes into that for retro back of analysis or analysis at any time. nothing is safe. and i mean, no matter what you do, you did in the world. you know. so in order, if you can't, you don't have the address for you know that, and that's how you build relationships over time. the thing, and it's not the, it's not the, it's not say think is one. the snowdon compromised that dealt with encryption. but in a se spectacular, ah, so i, if, even if, even if the encryption is successful, what they, what you've decrypted. so that gives them the basic content. that's something that the, for example they, they, they go and all them when they, when they backed up their data after the fact they forgot everything they had, instead of just going in. the prism program was a charade. that was the judges to look at. so they didn't know any better and say,
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here we're following the law companies like that's how we follow up. well, in the background on the, they were collecting everything going across the fire. so when, when they backed it up using it as a charade to show that they were via reg room, they were falling law west part of the part of the programs. how you use an essay. did you never tell the publicly that can be acquired probably. and you don't even tell your own attorney, here's the evidence to convict. so you know, the native amnesty, international versus clever was one of the supreme solicitor general of the united states lied to the supreme court, get a stop there, if anybody's. and i say didn't use against them in that. so you know, the whole thing is corrupt and those part. so i, you know, unless we started getting country is going down fast. you've been watching us. i'm john kerry aka join us again next week for another episode. with
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louis center gorda, you're thrown in for the federal government. this comes with bt dufrane. you could kick away in the politicians kulown asia. so was to look at, i'm done with him. a senior sooty. bowden is not as good. p t d still not off. what to do to fix that will be good to go with the gross issues. the federal statham this done see this material, but in the block made it doesn't help with it. she go, she returned to had almost all assume normal shuttle specially chosen with st. andrews eventual schools suffered nightmarish levels, probably thousands of pages of police and evidence that identified the perpetrators near 1st, too high for me. so we hear somebody and run here,
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and some of them are my relatives didn't make it joke again. why did may it make me give up with anything? investigations were too often handled so many of the worst criminals got away. the bishop's got a what? yes i was. they want to do everything in their power to put down baset of truth. united nation is telling odyssey after a friday he doesn't pile what's happening so you will drive to maintain that global head to the press as a new lauren.
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