with with breaking news this hour, the head of a prominent monastery in kiev is taken before a court bounce as a clump, dying on religious figures with traditional allies to russia, intensifies, also add on with their lives. they want to do everything in their power to preserve their privileged position in the world. following a security council meeting up to you and russia, deputy ambassador to the organization tells our western powers, have an insatiable drive to maintain their global hegemony. in india's

flagship or line and says it will continue flights over russian aerospace, despite pressure from western partners with live for moscow. this is our t international. my name's unit o'neill. good to help you with this today we begin the program with breaking news. the head of a prominent monastery in kiev, which has been up the center of a crack done by ukrainian authorities over its traditional ties to russia, is appearing before a court. it's occurring just hours after metropolitan puzzle was placed under heiser, rest will escrow live tourist senior correspondent morale county of murat. hi there . the background to this. as you were saying last hour, essentially months who've acted as stewards of a holy site for such a long time. no face eviction from a place they dedicated their lives for pickers through the court appearance, the importance of the monastery. well,

this is the culmination of government policy in care of which has been to dismantle the ukrainian author docs church, which ukraine has made no secret. jesus to pro ration and to independent the we catches of course, that the ukrainian orthodox church is the biggest religious whooping in ukraine. so this was no simple task for a. 2 president lydia zelinski as well as his administration. he's, he's bacchus metropolitan pabo. the head of the key of picturesque lava was detained earlier today. he was taken heal, court hearing. he felt poorly was taken to hospital and forcefully by ukrainian security agency taken back to court. the hearing is ongoing. we know that he is being charged on 2 counts. one is sparking and finding into

religious hatreds and enmity. the v of course, the subject matter the evidence we haven't seen, but also with rejecting the premise of the russian aggression which i in kit, we in kevin, whatever ukraine is seen, something is as gospel that russia is via aggressive, should be resisted everywhere. he, himself, metropolitan keith has denied these charges. yes, lazy, i have done nothing of what they are accusing me off. this is a political matter. i have never been on the side of aggression. i am against aggressions. now, i mean a crane. this is my land of the scenes from the monastery, the key of each of lava. ah harrowing for many orthodox folk for not justin in ukraine, but all over the world. they're sending shudders through worshipers of v as he is

such that supports us moves against the eviction and the takeover of for you kids. what have you, quint largest monasteries is that they're there. they're praying, they trying to resist without violence. and you have ukranian nationalists also at the scene, radicals who haven't the slightest interested in religion, but it just happy to be somewhere where, what they deem what are being called per russians are being evicted. we have seen showing people praying on their knees and around them dancing ukrainians, dancing nationalists, sorry, radicals, chanting insults, threats of things that we can't voice so will describe on air and dancing about the joyous about this occasion. that has been very little comment from abroad,

from various renews religious organizations and rights. movements about what is happening it is being studiously ignored. we can say that with the degree of for you know, accuracy because it has been so. so little coleman we'll show we have heard from the ukranian government which again for us as since 2000. 1 and 18 made it a policy to try and replace the ukranian orthodox church, which it sees as independent and unruly and thought to pro russian with the also doctor church of ukraine which, which is a very different thing in teaches a very different religion. although claiming to be the same, they it, for example, teach, the ukrainian should never have children with russians, that ukrainian should only him to mix with ukrainians to keep the blood pure. we've also heard a presidential advisor come out and comment on what is happening, saying now is the time to eliminate the unruly clergy. a

unique chance when everything could be resolved very quickly and painlessly was during the 1st 3 to 6 months of the war. and it was possible to simply physically clean out many pro russians today, it is a little more difficult. but again, a little harder does not mean impossible. and today we must use legal and tough means to sweep them away. you credit and government, as i said, has been added for years. and in recent months of the pos hoffer you. so these, these efforts to clamp down to pressure to dismantle ukrainian orthodox church of only ramped up. you had the zelinski launch in grades using the ukranian, s b u, the security service to target ab raids, search various monasteries of various members of the clergy, that homes, their workplaces would over the country of the evidence. will you new information turned off as a result of that as being scanned?

and we can say that judging by the fact that the s b, u hasn't come out and shown anything damaging. nevertheless, they've been at it. they've been trying to find doug on the ukranian orthodox church and with that, the shots of don puzzle was brought before a court today for a 2nd time william despite the fact and earlier session was suspended as he needed treatment for poor health. what do you make of what's going on? firstly, were her storage room and highly complicated. you allow me, they briefly tried to explain why he goes back to even to 1686 when constantinople, patrick alcohol orthodox christians, gave 100. you have to moscow in be between then and about 3040 years ago. so so many was going on and interfering from pose lisa williams,

roman catholics unit to tetra moore to changes that it became highly complex ending up simplistically speaking with the western part of ukraine being less pro ration while the talk was about the russian. now he talked to ukraine was still not independence. is technically the moscow only during the i think the bolshevik period and the nazi occupation did ukrainian attempts to become independent and walked in half. and only 4 years ago the patio of constantinople ran recognizes, finally, alter settler an independent ukraine. his decision seems to me to be more political than spiritual. and remember that, okay, he's a turkey citizen, but that because he's, he's a christian who believe probably a great blonde. anyway, now we're going to go and probably possibly under nato pressure,

he recognize the church, which is more nationalistic. and then you got the bigger church, which is called ukraine an orthodox which undoubtedly very russian in the traditional sense. but even for moscow here years ago, because agreements about minutes, the operation but within the short term disagreement. what didn't happen now is basically really not even a christian interfering point me religion with politics as well. it's going after a group of people, you know, monks essentially defenseless parishioners have tried to help, but what are they going to do? and when right police come in and say that you are, you are being affected. you leave this holy place. what does ukraine stuff,

the benefit from that? not to be beyond houses and beyond cur, currently carrying what they're doing. busy, busy the spiritual people who are serious believers, to have a faith. we must also separate faith from religion. say religion is influenced by politics and vice of faith, which is beyond anything. it's not even terrestrial. it's beyond anything. i see here and enormous amounts of quite some hatred. from here i see desperation. they can no longer, you know, instead of attacking russian soldiers attacking crease. i mean, what does that go back to actually like what kind of ultimate improvement on orthodox christian priest during the last 2 months. you pay to have the same way that the attacking pre beginning to,

you know, put pressure on them. it's primitive, frankly, morally questionable. you are yeah. are you surprised? but you know you've gone through that very thoroughly. why aren't we hearing more than i'd cry in the west? i know we've, we've rehash this before, but for something that seems, you know, so black and white when you're going after monks who are looking after church, so beloved of parishioners. you know, let's take politics out of this and look at it from a very basic level. it's, it's a scary development. what the precedence being set here, you would expect some opposition, vehement opposition from those who, who, who want freedom in the west, but are saying, well, you know what, we're going to turn our box to this. this is the attitude of the west for, for

a long time. now, since the western leadership generally is becoming increasingly illiterate, i have to say from everything i've seen and increasingly, under nato, anglo saxon american influence. and europe has not found any kind of independence whatsoever in this situation. and so africans expect the so called west to pay much attention to the west has become increasingly even anti christian. if you take a look over the elements in the west. so that explains part of it. i think a lot of because there's a, have you something that's dying to assess extent in the so called west, i'm afraid. i think it's quite unfortunate. i hope that's a reasonable answer. let me remember, christine or kristen or the priest or general can generally be very active. it's do

they believe so much in the, in the face that they can even support revolution? the greek revolution of 18. 21. some police are actually fighting. take a look at mccarty of, of cypress, the presence of cyprus, special. but they have this amazing for me, a balance between the spirit. i'm understanding how the, the world itself work. for the end of the day. it's more about the face i'm facing spot on by the way. i can put it. yeah, we really could delve into this for the, for some time. it's always good to have you in the program really. thanks so much for delving into his with us today. professor william mullins and former british diplomats and author many thanks. lessons and rushes deputy ambassador to the un has told artsy that western powers are hypocritical to last show it. most schools proposal to station nuclear weapons on

the territory of allied bella roost, stating the u. s. has long stationed its nuclear arms in nato countries near russia's borders. the west is trying to act within the concepts of rules based on national order, where it's all, it's all alone says the rules and seeks that the others should implement these rules. they want to do everything in their power to preserve their privileged position in the world. to preserve the well being of the so called golden 1000000000 by any price. they do not hesitate to acting very much colonial or neo colonial logic in deploying nuclear weapons in the western countries for many years for decades already. and then when the russia analysis simulate lance simply analysis, they already stopped hysteria. many developing countries, especially weaker developing countries there of course, aware of possible consequences of the criticism of washington economic consequences,

political consequences, financial consequences are hearing a un security council meeting on friday, rushes and bastard turn. their vassily and benji pointed out that russia had long demanded the us withdraw and nuclear weapons at hand. and other countries. he said, moscow cannot know, stand still as nato countries conduct exercises in the use of nuclear arms. i see is this should do it. so do last rushing in the ninety's took all measures to withdraw nuclear weapons from the territory of the former usaa. we urged americans to do the same to abandon the thinking of the cold war period to return all of us nuclear weapons to the territory of the united states. us weapons are deployed in the netherlands, germany, or turkey and other nato countries. recall that poland also agreed to participate and joined new exercises. this is exactly the area that the measures taken by the

president of russia are aimed at the 15 member body. that leads the united nations, assembled to discuss the issue of tactical nuclear weapons being deployed by russia in dallas roofs, and bella ruth agreeing to host those tactical nuclear weapons. now, many us aligned countries used this meeting as an opportunity to simply attack russia to blame russia for the conflict in ukraine to accuse russia of various things that we've seen throughout western media over the past months. however, when russia took to the floor, they pointed out something that many countries have failed to acknowledge in western media has worked to just simply not mention which is that the united states has been withdrawing and getting rid of nuclear agreements. and he went over in detail all the withdrawals of nuclear agreements that we've seen from the united states. from there he went on to highlight how you asked policy as been aimed at

trying to dictate and control other countries and escalate tensions around the world. zip, at least one of the key western countries are simply trying to impose their own rules on the rest of the world. beneficial only to them in order to then demand this strict compliance from other states. they themselves, of course, do not consider themselves bound by any obligations. such inherently neo colonial latitudes are aimed at ensuring the prosperity of the so called golden billy, and at any cost. neither. we know our colleagues from developing countries can be misled, and he more the apparent hypocrisy of the united states in demanding that russia not be able to deploy tactical nuclear weapons to bel roost. while the united states and its allies have nuclear weapons, or that was made clear by the remarks bind to ben z a before the council overall

meeting highlighted very big differences between major countries represented on the council when it comes to their interpretation of world advance. russia made clear that the united states is acting in a way that is provoking conflict rather than seeking resolution. and not really enforcing any of this rhetoric we hear about a rules based global order. the international criminal court arrest warrant issued against vladimir put is likely based on a report funded by the u. s. state department, which actually contradicts many of the indictments claims that that comes courtesy of an investigation by the great on the news on investigative side, which also find conflicting statements. so we're child deportation allegations yell h r l's, executive director. nathaniel raymond claimed his report provided proof that thousands of children are in

a hosted situation. invoking the holocaust raymond asserted. we're dealing with the largest network of children camps seen in the 21st century. yet in an interview with jermel, afraid of the co author of this report and him his own paper for yale, h r l raymond contradicted many of the bombastic claims he made to the media about child hostages. during a phone conversation with la fredo, raymond acknowledged that a large amount of the camps his team investigated, were primarily cultural education. will the authors of the state department report claim the i c. c warrant was issued after their research was published, but no actual evidence was provided with the report other than open media sources and satellite footage. it also confirms that quote, many children were sent to so called re education camps with their parents consent and were reunited with their families as pre arranged. now the report did not

document any missed treatment. all of which contradicts i. c. c. claims are news of the report comes a week after the hague based court issued warrants for president putin. on the commissioner for children's rights. over the claims russia forcibly removed children from dunbar and other conflict areas. moscow denies the allegations saying it had to evacuate children from a war zone, who were under threats. always good to welcome live on to the program, max bloom, and tell max is gray's own editor in chief and co author of this latest investigation max. good to see you. can i put to 1st, if the i see, see, warrant is based on the why didn't the court at least take into account the reports? findings had children where not forcibly removed, that's pretty basic background. i would suggest well that relates to the politicization of the i, c. c, something we're going to cover in the 2nd edition of this ongoing investigation.

and it also raises the question about nathaniel raymond, the executive director of the yale humanitarian lab, which is funded by the state department. and according to raymond's own comments to my co author, jeremy le afraid was essentially directed to carry out this investigation by the state department received satellite data from the pentagon. indo pacific command and in which, nathaniel raymond proceeded to go on cnn and declare that he had an uncovered potential evidence of genocide. he said that he was, we were looking at a child hostage situation, and he was putting out an amber alert for ukraine's children. but when you look into the body of the report, or when raymond was challenged by my co author la fredo, it contradicts what he said in the media. for example, inside the e l h r a report, it says, and i quote that parents provide a center children to these camps quote, to protect their children from ongoing fighting and ensure that they had nutritious

food, of the sort, unavailable where they live. it also said that the campers were returned in a timely manner with the consent of and went with the consent of their parents for the most part. and at this they found no evidence of child mistreatment. those are the exact words of this paper out further. these researchers did not conduct any on the ground investigation. they did not even seek to interview parents, families, children who attended the camps or to gain entrance to the camp. so to these camps . so we did jermel afraid actually in addition to interviewing, nathaniel raymond actually visited the camp outside moscow and we've produced a video and jeremy approached nathaniel raymond and even and said, would you like to include this in your report? because this is one of those quote unquote re education centers that you are investigating. and raymond was not very interested. so essentially,

mister raymond made different statements to c, n n. and then to the quarter of your investigation after being challenged. exactly, he said that he was looking into 43 camps with his state department funded team. and that 40 of the camps that of the 40 of 40 out of the $43.00 camps and his words were cultural centers that were teddy bear. he described them as teddy bear, very much liked the program that jeremy le franco visited outside moscow called the don bass express. and these are programs where children from war torn regions in daniel can lugens, other areas that are ethnically, russian are taken out of the war zone with their parent's consent and given free musical instruction, cultural training, and then are returned as scheduled. the dumbass express program ran for 2 weeks. none of the children were held there as hostages,

and they described to jeremy le afraid o on camera program that provided them with spiritual enrichment, where they were rescued from a war zone. and what the, the authors of this report which clearly inspired the i c, c warrant, and the i, c, c, prosecutor general, korean con, show no concern for the welfare of these children when they demand that they be returned to a war zone. where some of them don't even have anywhere to return to because their homes were destroyed. but the at the headline of kidnapping children is just to juicy to not to have, i think for some, the year or 3rd max. admit that the used information in the median satellite footage. now that opens up another question is, is even that enough, no matter who's involved rush or otherwise to issue an arrest warrant, which alleges war crimes. what we found, just in looking at the citations and foot notes of the yale h r l. a paper which was sponsored by the state department that they didn't even

follow their own citations. for example, in order to claim that children are taken by train by the russian aviation ministry, and by vos to these russian government sponsored camps inside the russian federation. the authors linked to an article and rhian of osi, the russian state, media outlet about one such program for children from done yet. and if you actually read the article that children are describing a wonderful summer program in which they were treated to nature walks and stunning views of mountain side landscapes that they and that they were grateful to be away from the war zone. so none of that was quoted in the article. instead, the articles just cited to make it seem like these children are being taken on cattle, cars to concentration camps. and that's the sort of language that raymond seeks to evoke in his public media appearances. so basically the paper doesn't follow its own footnotes, you know, would that would just following out on as well, would the west have preferred moscow to do nothing to those who are potentially in,

in danger, in the, in, in the focal point of the conflict. you know, would that would make an even bigger issue. what a non oh i it's, it's almost like there's no way to win here. however, what's clear to me is that, and raymond, essentially, sig, he suggested this in his discussion with my co author, jeremy la fredo, is that this indictment or, or this issue of so called child deportations, or this network of camps was chosen for public relations value. and because it was an open program that russia is actually proud of, the not only is latimer putin of the not, i, not only is the arrest of vladimir putin sot here, it's the commissioner of child welfare who operates under his watch. was chosen because it's a public program they're proud of taking children out of wars, owns providing them with free cultural instruction. and they can frame it as the kidnapping of ukrainian children to a western public that is day,

lose the propaganda and doesn't know the difference between don yet lugens and the pro kiev regions of ukraine. and that's something that this report and it's authors gloss over is that the vast majority of not all of the children involved in these camps or cultural programs are ethnically, be that can be read on, on the gray. so now emacs right. it can.