rhonda to deploy damage though they are helping to fight against the india who are also they're both still gun with me as at bescedy. i think it's very okay for them to chat with . finally, for the 1st time in 3 years, high level talks between china and japan's top diplomats will happen will happen this weekend. it comes amid tensions overtook you as plans to restrict the export of semiconductor manufacturing equipment to china, curbing beijing's ability to make advance chips for its high tech sector. earlier we spoke with c, g, t, n reporter, a young fish out who say the countries are important to each other, but issues remain. well, the 2 countries are neighbors and so, so technically they're important to each other and that the bilateral relationship

should start itself should serve the common interest. but japan has been really taking top positions on certain issues toward starting such as the south and east china. sea analyst also say that there are many other issues such as the island and the taiwan question as well as the situation ukraine could be discuss. it's kind of restrictions of the exports of 23 types of semiconductor manufacturing equipment. and this is really comes out one day before, before a minister's japanese for a minister's visit to china. so it's, it's really not normal. it's certainly it's kind of a cold war mentality and the action of unilateralism and all the reason for that is just to find a reason, an excuse to bolster its defense capacity capacity. and as you said, it's also the, the agenda from the west seeking alliance,

which is the purpose of it. it's to contain china. and that's her wrap of the weekends news for now. if you're in the mood to delve a little deeper into any of those stories to head on over to r t dot com, it's got you covered. ah, ah, we have this to boom on tenderness in the united states. we've exported it now to the world because the multi national corporations and we've been damaged to believe that babies needs to be nurtured in care of who are in love. and, and so you've got a whole bunch of traumatized people all over the world with post traumatic stress disorder that don't know how to heal.

2 ah. 2 2 2 we've talked a lot about national security whistleblowers this season. the average whistleblower is somebody in the middle of his or her career who sees evidence of waste fraud abuse illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety. those whistleblowers usually have 5 to 15 years or so in their agencies and they're concerned about upholding their oath to the constitution. it's unusual when a senior officer, a very senior officer, blows the whistle and jeopardizes his career. but that's exactly what our next guest did. and the united states is a better place because of his actions. i'm john kerry aku and you're watching the whistleblowers. ah william bill binnie was the 4th ranking officer in the national security agency or an essay at the time of the september 11th attacks. as the agencies technical director, he was one of the most highly cleared officers in the entire organization. after

the september 11th tax, the n. s se and other national security agencies were scrambling to recover. and at the same time, to make the u. s. a safer place but some of the more cynical leaders at n s a. busy also saw an opportunity, they saw an opportunity to do something in the name of national security that had heretofore been denied to them. it was against the law, and indeed it was against any fees, own charter to spy on american citizens or us persons. those people in the united states on a green card and essays director at the time general michael hayden decided to act immediately. knowing that his actions were in violation of the law. he likely believe that it was better to act now and ask forgiveness later he enacted a program allowing an essay to spy on literally every american. it was a game changing decision, patently illegal and extraordinarily expensive. our next guest and several of his colleagues decided to make

a complaint to the department of defense inspector general, alleging that an essay was wasting millions and millions of dollars on trailblazer a system intended to analyze mass collection of data carried on communications networks, such as the internet bill biddy had been one of the inventors of an alternative system called thin thread, which was shelves when the more expensive and more intrusive trailblazer was chosen . when he was publicly critical of n. s a spying on american citizens after september 11th saying that trailblazer quote was better than anything that the k g b, the stuffy, or the gestapo, and s. s. ever had, unquote. he added that and say with all of its advanced technology, had failed to uncover the 911 plot. and he said an essay had collected but had not analyzed information that would have garnered timely attention. with the leaner and more focused thin thread. we're happy to have bill benny with us today. welcome to the show, bill. bill, you were a very senior,

an essay officer when the september 11th attacks occurred. as technical director, you were intimately involved in the creation of thin thread, which was an effective and cost effective technology designed to keep american safe and to disrupt future terrorist attacks. what happened to thin thread? why did an essays, leadership elect to go with trailblazer? and i don't mean to sound cynical, but was this just because the $911.00 attacks allowed them an opportunity to do whatever it was that they wanted the lobby, damned yes. infected was evidence that they wanted to do, book acquisition update on every us citizen, everybody in the world, even before 911. because they went to do a. jo nato was the ceo of quest corporation. and they asked him, this was in february, this isn't a court record by the way. this was in february of 2001 about 67 months before and 911 before 911. and they were asking in for all the data and all his customers,

not meant you know, millions of us citizens as well as anybody else in the world using their system. so now that clearly showed the intent to do that. you recently did that because i didn't read program was working from and all the way to the back end into the whole system and functioning extremely well and could take in and i did. it was no, there was no math medical limit as to how much we could take him. i mean, this was the design that i helped put together and that was my team that did it. and we designed it to take in any amount of data and handle any indexing of anything and at any scale. and you know, they inclined it wouldn't scale, but they knew damn well it would because that's what they used after 911 to spy on everybody in the planet. that's what they're still using. the still, those programs are still in the stuff that was compromised by a snowden when he put it up. so i knew what these programs were. i knew exactly how they worked and i knew their capabilities there. there is no limit to what i mean.

you could put in hundreds of billions of trillions of transaction. it doesn't matter. i mean, it just doesn't matter. and it's terrible because i saw this is a fatality reinstate mood. and i said them right from the beginning internally in the government until they started to go after me. they did exactly to us back in 2007. what they did the trumpet my long you know, they sent people we've gone santos. and they said, you know, they, they fabricated evidence that they were appa david, and the judges don't know anything. all they had to do is take them to assume they're getting told the truth. they're not being lied to bill you had an absolutely horrible whistleblower experience. let's start at the beginning. you did exactly as you were always told to do. you went through the chain of command when you didn't get any satisfaction there you went to the pentagon inspector general. soon after the f. b. i rated your house and pulled you naked out of the shower to arrest you. tell us about that awful experience. well, you know the yacht, the 1st of all, they there i went through the. ah, the,

did the inspector general, the department of defense as your instructor to this is fine by regulation, the u. s. government regulation you are required to report, fraud, waste, abuse, and criminality. and the inspector general the department of defense. if you're in the department fence, other departments have other inspected jobs. you're supposed to go through that. that's why we did. and, and we also went to the house intelligence committee, the staff of their diane work that i knew. because i brief there any number of times in, in an essay. and i went through her to report the, the unconsciously due to unconstitutional violations of the, of the n. s. a in violating the privacy rights of all us citizens. well, as everybody else in the world, i mean, they switched from doing from doing fine on groups of people who are like military's and smuggling drug smuggling groups or, you know, terrorist groups, things like that. they went from doing that to spying on individuals. everybody on

the planet. so when they did that, i mean, you knew right away, there were only 2 reasons, right? number one to do it. would it cost a lot of money, which, which we've all paid for that by $10000000.00 a year for the last 20 years. you know, you counted up and, and that, that, that then would be a building an empire. that's what have you like to build an empire and have a big budget. but then under cheney, that would give him evidence of everybody that's an opposing him. you would have evidence that he could interrogate and retroactively analyze, and actively watch as current events or proceeding to see what people were thinking, planning or what they were they were intending to do. that's. that's the power it gave him at that point. so those are 2 basic reasons they would do that. and my argument from the beginning was that that was an ineffective way you really want to do what intelligence is supposed to do, which is great project,

predict intentions and capabilities of adversaries or threats. so in advance, so you can actually do something to stop them and present them. that's what intelligence supposed to do. what they've done by doing this bulk at positions mean they, there's too much data, they can't see the threat coming and they can't get through it to find in time to find the threat. so what they have to do is revert back to a policing thing, but just for instance, after the fact, here's the attack. who get it? well ok, we can find out that we could go with all this data and find on everybody in the past they've ever been associated for any number of decades. you know, you could reconstruct their entire network out of that, but that's a police job. that's not a intelligent job. and by admin, it may been all dysfunctional. they couldn't find the plots. coming of the threats coming. i miss world why? it's not just us, it's everybody's role going this way. you were never charged with any crime. certainly you didn't commit any crime. you did exactly what a whistleblower is supposed to do, but your personal property was seized and held. you had to file

a lawsuit years later to get it back. i know that in the case of tom drake, who's been on this show, he never got his property back, including every photograph ever taken of his 5 children. you, kirk, we b, and others, had to hire attorneys at great personal expense. what were you accused of having done wrong? and what was the eventual outcome? actually, when we got it was, it was called a 41 g lawsuit. return a property up, they sees it as required by law, and they violate this law. by the way, they're required by law to inform us 6 months after they seize our property, what, what property they're going to keep and what they're going to return. they never did. so we sued them like 5 years later. so in violation of that law. but then we went to court and we were ready to deal with any challenge they had coming for it because we were more about this whole thing. and they had a representative from say there, and the department of justice lawyer there,

it was representing the government. and it was we didn't pro say by the way by ourselves. that was tom drake. kirk, we b ed lewis and myself. we went in and represented ourselves in court and they mince meat of the government. they were just absolutely violation of the law. and the only thing they could claim at the end and the judge had the front on the phone because he did, she needed to say face for the government. what they had to say claim that we had some other got albert government agency sensitive material. well, i mean that got other government agents never came into court to testify to that and we had no way they wouldn't tell us what it was, so we could defend it. so we had no due process and actually that issue, that was the one that said the government space. okay, that's the how to justify their rate on us basically. so, but that turned out to be, we found out later the department of justice guy finally confessed to what it was. he said it was a, it was a paper for customs and border protection. well,

we did that as an unclassified contract for customs and border to protect and analyzing, go through with their analysis process and make recommendations which we did. and that was our documentation of completing the contract. ah, that it was just a whole lot of his whole life. the judge didn't know anything different. i mean, they don't know anything in this business. and so they, they just take whatever the government says, it's as truth and it's an outright lie almost every time. like we had with trump, they were lying all the time. look at what they did with him, with that, that dossier and so, and allies there and they supported those lies. look at those 51, cedar intelligence agency executives that were retired. they came out saying that all this is different, this business about, you know, any, the computer and materials, just information russian dis, information out, just not right. why and the all new that. okay? so we're all part of this cabal to lie, to manipulate the courts and manipulate the population of the country. so if you really can't trust anything that any of them say, because a speak as we used to say in the country in fort tom, we know lives,

you did something else that all national security whistleblowers are encouraged to do. you went to the congressional oversight committee with your evidence of wrongdoing, but the house intelligence committee, employee, you were working with also had her house rated by the f b. i was the whole point to silence you. was it to keep the story of the waste of taxpayer money and the attack on american civil liberties from the public? yeah, that's what it was to keep us quiet next. i knew that, you know, that's why when a rated me i knew what the why they were doing. and i was really getting mad at them. so when they told me i had to tell them some, this was a ah, but the thing i'll remember the asians name cedars agent charged hallmark. he was guy told me, you know, i tell me something that would implicate someone in a crime while he was after tom drake and dian rourke. those are the 2 people that and say didn't like at the moment anyway. and so i said, well,

i couldn't think of anything. i was a crime that they'd committed. he said, i think your line so it's ok. here's the lie. i know about george bush, dick cheney, hayden and tenant all conspired to subvert the constitution of the united states. and here's how they did it with the program called stellar wind that i went through the entire process of collection of data on us citizens and compiling it inside an essay and setting it out there for people analyze and look at. and the only thing this guy could do when i was doing it, because all these other agents weren't cleared for that program, he was a guy, but they weren't. so when i was doing that, the only thing he could do is look at the flow because i'm reporting a crime. now when you do that, the f b i supposed to investigate, did they do that? no, because they were part of the crime. and the reason that diane brought didn't get any anywhere, was because nancy pelosi and, and, and ah, quarter gosh, we're the the heck chair and ranking members of the house intelligence committee at the time. and both of them agree to those programs as well as of cia programs in,

in early november of 2001 long before she came in to report it to them. so they had already agreed and that's why nancy pelosi when she was a speaker, the house said that they, impeaching george bush is off the table. why? because she was already a part of the crimes. and george to say, okay, you're a part of the do you have to be in pete yourself? you know, so that's why she kept all impeachment upon possibilities off the floor of the senate, or the house is out, had new peach for it, and then descended with high. so that's why she did that. you're watching the whistleblowers. we're going to take a short break and returned to our conversation with famed an essay whistleblower phil binnie stay too. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 with

the time i'm rick sanchez, and i'm here to play with you. whatever you do, do not watch my new show. certainly why watch something that's so different by little opinions that you won't get anywhere else work of it please. if you have the state department, the c, i, a weapons makers, multi $1000000000.00 corporations, choose your facts for you. go ahead. i change and whatever you do. don't watch my show, stay mainstream because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just changing the way. mm thing. 2 ah. 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers i'm john kerry. aku, were speaking with former an essay technical director, bill binnie, about his experience blowing the whistle on waste fraud and abuse at the national

security agency. bill. a part of the fallout from your revelations was that even though you had done nothing wrong, nothing illegal all within the confines of the law and of normal. and as a procedure, you were stripped of your security clearance. did you ever get it back? was there ever any admission of wrong doing on the part of an essay? well, i mean, as long as you're perpetuating a lie yet to stick with it. in other words, if they ever admit their line than that the whole house of cards falls and that falls in a major way. so they have to stick with the law. they started and they, they had to keep it going. but i'm, i'm here to say that all the basic evidence says it's an outright lie. this was downloaded internally locally in the dnc and all the stuff that they were accusing . others are doing, is false. the predicate for going up to flint and stone was false, and that's why they would let me testify to it. so you know, it's just that, ah, my, yeah, i really,

unless we start wising up here and people start getting active to do things and fire these idiots. get rid of them, send people, and we'll actually do something where we have some respect for a constitution rights of individuals and humanity. if we don't have that done, you know, where do i been calling us the 1st of all, we've got a department of just us and we, the people are not part of it. and you know, we are of the largest most populous newest, banana republic in the world. and unfortunately, that's the way it is. look at what's coming out. they're getting so so arrogant about it. they're brazen about it because it's a, they're now have so much power. they don't care when anybody thinks they're going to say, what can you do about it? you know, but you can see that they're afraid of us because they trumped up this crap on, on 6, january, and are using that to try to try to keep everybody under under. i'm also also trying to get marshall lost on base. that's what they're doing. they allowed that

to happen so that they could do this. that's how you keep power and control over people. you don't want to have to. you don't want the people to realize that they had the real power. if they want to do something about it. but 1st of all, they have to recognize it and say, gee, i got the power and i can do it and, and get up and do something for god's sake. you are frequently in the news, talking about the technical side of elections and related issues. many of us have taken heat as you have for demanding to see evidence of election interference. for example, russia gate was arguably the biggest story of the last 10 years. and in the end, the mother report offered no proof that there was any russian interference in the 2016 election or again in 2020. are these accusations which seem to be constant now just something we're going to have to live with, or is it possible to successfully demand evidence of accusations i for 1 am loathe to just take the c i. a's are and essays word for it. when they make accusations of

election interference, what do you think are absolutely, it's the a f b i to part the drug enforcement administration. ah, and, and other agencies, the government like the home. oh, don't part of homeland security i r s has access to it. that's how they could go after the tea party, you know, because all they did. and then that's all i took, that is because of the do things. one, a report in august of 2013 after the snowden material came out, warriors got it, and said here. so here are the regulations for using an essay data 1st to arrest people. and then how, what you have to do to do a parallel construction. that is, construct the same material and substitute that material for the essay data in a court of law as you can introduce the. and it's a did, it wasn't acquired with a warrant, you know? so they falsify that and they, they perjure themselves in court to put people in jail. they're trying to cover it up with the all kinds of ways i've been trying to take it into courts in,

for example, in the case against a flange or a flat. and case against the raj, dawn and, and i had a petition with juliet, john elliot. she court going into the supreme court, which was rejected. and they, they wouldn't want to testify in the either the stone or flint cases. so they had to keep me out because, you know, i was just pointing out the basic facts, you know, they and they had, the evidence was clearly there that the, all this material that was posted was downloaded locally out of the d n. c database. and i was surprised that there was no, it wasn't a belief or anything that was just the basic forensics information. it said, yeah, there it is. this is a bad problem allocation table format that downloads data to what to some drive cd roms, you know, little memory sticks up a mainframe computer so they could try and keep us out of everything. so they don't want to hear from me. i have been trying to get into

court with them, but they can't yet. they're finally bill. i wanted to ask you a question that i get all the time. there are so many different communication apps out there, including what's app signal viber, proton mail telegram, and to denote among others. many of us just assume that intelligence services around the world and even tech companies have backdoors into these communications. and that many of them are not really safe. are any better than others? what's the best way to have a private conversation? i actually, the best way is to do it in person with no electronic devices at hand. ah, i would say the other way that the postal mail, but even that can be they do a photograph of the outside of it for the addressing. and that gives them the to, from like, like you do on a phone call or an email or anything else, the financial transaction. all that goes right into the, into the graph building,

which is the relationship building of everybody in the planet. you know, all that goes into that for retro back up analysis or analysis at anytime. you know, so it's a, it's a, it's a matter, nothing is safe. i mean, no matter what you do, you can't hide the address in because got it to have there. it's got to be there to be able to round it in the world. you know, so in order, if you can't, you don't have the address to a certain person or certain machine in the world. you can't send something to it. so you know that, and that's how you build relationships over time. the thing about crypt and most of it is linear thought correcting and it's not. it's not the, it's not safe in my view because of all the, the muscular program i think is one. the snowdon compromised that dealt with gretchen and a compromising encryption with companies and they, and the, and the government in a saying and spectacular. ah, so i just don't treat any of them safe. i don't bother encrypting anything because it even it, even if the encryption is successful,

what they can do is they can penetrate through device, go in and download what you've decrypted. so that gives them the basic content of what you've been saying. ah, you know that, that, that, that's something that the, for example, they, they were doing it even to the companies that they were working with. like, for example, a google and all of them when they, when they backed up their data after the fact they, they had a program to tap in and catch the back up, which meant they got everything they had instead of just going in. the prism program was a charade. that was they, that was the program. they put out there for the judges to look at. so they didn't know any better. and say, here were falling the lossy, we asked for something that you gave us a warrant or no. and here we ask these companies like that's how we follow the law . well, in the background on the, on the fiber up ups obs, upstream collected process. they were collecting everything going across the virus . and when, when they backed it up, they copied everything that so you know, they were telling the, and using it as a charade to show that they were vibrant,

there were fall off when they weren't. right. and they never told the judges this. in fact, that's part of the part of the programs, how you use in a 2nd, and you never tell the judges, you never tell the court, you never put an affidavit, you never do anything publicly that can be acquired commonly and, and you don't even tell your own attorneys that are prosecuted, you just given the date and say, here's that, here's the, here's the evidence to convict. so you know that they're there and make a charade. and, and, and, and i would point out also that when an amnesty international versus clapper was, went to the supreme court, that was the case challenging some of this, ah, this, the solicitor general of the united states lied to the supreme court get case thrown out. he said, well, if anybody's, the, to anybody in a criminal case there, if anybody's, which, and i say did him, do you suggest them in that court, they would be tall. i was a lot. no one has ever been so you know, the hook, all thing is corrupt and those parts are corrupt,

are being lied to internally by the government itself. so this i, you know, unless we start getting wising up and doing something, john, you know, this country is going down fast. you've been watching the whistleblowers. i'd like to thank our guest bill benny and thank you for joining us. i'm john kerry. aku join us again. next week, for another episode of the whistleblowers. ah, the last is a danger to the world as it is. and because it has all this economic power that it uses for the military. these are sick and twisted people. they care

about nothing but money empower. i'm not even, hey, i think i think they're in different they just want money empower and they don't. they're indifferent to who dice and as long as they can get that money and power in, i will ensure that joe biden does not receive for more years. do you believe trump as a general rule? no, never. we must conduct a top to bottom overhaul to clean out the festering rod and corruption of washington dc abided as pushing us to world war 3. i mean, you have to consider that. that is the worst, i mean, we should never be in a position the u. s. has no business in ukraine or

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