in order to protect these terrace groups, however, the jamini army and all of our institutions are not any fighting. these groups were actually approaching them from brute to stem from old yamini land. a lawyer for the british government, james eddie described the u. k as a non party to the war. but said that the u. k. help saudi arabia were training on air operations and understanding international humanitarian law. is it impossible to continue to call britain, quote, not a party to the conflict you are in yemen. i'm with them, we've said he since the 1st week of the war in yemen, arab nations like saudi arabia and the u. e. kuwait's, bahrain and cats are all declared war on yemen. and we've repeated that if it wasn't for the protection of american britain, they would not have been able to declare this wall. when they decided to launch this operation, it was launched with logistical political and diplomatic support and protection provided by these countries, america, britain, and frogs. ah,

no, that's a program for this. our law from moscow, a naughty international from all of us here. thanks for sharing that sunday with us here in the russian capital. it's been a busy week will highlight some of the heavy hitting stories when we return. that'll be in about $28.00. ah ah ah, hello and welcome to wells apart as above. so below this principle, essential to many ancient belief systems and almost forgotten in this day and age postulates that social conflicts inevitably find the reflection in our individual

soul. and vice versa, our daily joys and struggles, invariably shade the society and we'll leave them with that in mind. and at heart. what can truly make the world a better place? to discuss that i am now joined by adoption of wise professor of psychology and merits at the university of milton and co author of restoring the kingship worldview of professor, my wife. it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. thank you for having me. now. as a psychologist, i'm sure you've been dealing primarily with the microcosm of, of a human soul, but i will leave in such precarious times that i want to start with the macro question. because social sciences claim that we know more than we ever knew about the nature of the human condition about what makes human human. and yet, if we look around those, we tend to be on the precipice of so many potential catastrophes from

a logical to cannot make to you. well, some would go a nuclear. why, how do you explain that? how do you, why do you think that is? well, i think we've become a civilization, a global civilization that really relies on disconnection. and so that starts from early life. when babies are treated with disconnectedness, they as if there are more like machines or plants rather than growing dynamic beings. and then that continues with schooling, that ignores their heart and intuition development, their embodied wisdom of living in the earth and pushes them into the intellect or the thinking mind. and then adults think that's the way humans are. the reason is the, you know, and will, that's all you need. and so then we have a whole system sets of systems that focus on analyzing that way of being and

missing that are whole heritage, isabel connectedness, connectedness to self connectedness to others, connected to the natural world. and when you're disconnected and have this kind of on looker perspective of, you know, subject versus objects, you're going to be destructive because you have no sense, no heart, no relational awareness of what you're doing well. now, i think all human society is across history. i have tried to find that balance, been dignity and connection with when you know the individual and the come next, the collective between an individual soul and the whole. and i think many cultures have different answers to that. even now, when you say when i, when you referred to modern societies, do you mean the entire universe or you know, all countries or cultures or do you mean somebody in particular?

well i, i'm referring to the well civilization in general. what we call western civilization, which is sort of dominated the globe. and it's from the enlightenment perspective of just touching from responsibility relational responsibility. but are, are we have, we still have societies that operate on our ancestral needs and relational connection orientation. so i study nomadic forgers, and they, we, we spent 99 percent of our history in this kind of society and only one small percentage of the last one percent of our existence. have we gone in this very crazy direction? insane direction where we were not attending to the effects of our actions or, and then focusing on,

on thinking the thinking mind and controlling. that's very counter to the way the dynamic living world works. now, you suggest in your book that this is primarily the function of the ego. that is, it is an ego sanction world that tries to control everything. and i think of illusion narrowly. it makes sound because the world is insecure and the enlightenment civilization or the enlightenment era try to sort of extolled the you know, the beauty of consciousness or the development of consciousness. but i agree with you totally done. so add the cost of inter relatedness connection to something that is being carried them, the eagle or something that i think you called the pervasive live force. other people are referred to as god. we can describe it as the universe,

but that sounds off and you know that there's something bigger than ego that actually exist. i mean, and manifest to solve in the world. why do you think the western civilization is so determined at doing away with that? because one thing i would point out is that in many cultures, be russian chinese, many asian culture, things in culture. you know, there's a huge respect for something like god and it's seen as life sustaining. and yet it's in many of the western countries where they believe in something bigger than you is seen as almost infant tile. you know, the thinking mind in miguel chris talks about the, the to has the, the brain and the left hemisphere, which is what we've been emphasizing in western civilization is unable was if you look at damaged brains or if you number one side of the brain or the other you find that the left brain is, this is what we see in our civilization dominant civilization today. it's the,

the disconnectedness, the treating, the world like a set of objects that's all it knows how to do. and my work focuses on how we treat young babies. and when we treat them with disconnectedness, when we don't respond to their needs, we leave them to cry, we need them alone. we don't carry them around all day long, which is where they need to grow. well, because they're showing mature, they're like fetus is of other animals till about 18 months of age. and so they need, their needs met immediately to build a connectedness because their brains are so mature, only 25 percent of adult size or volume at birth typically. so when we miss, treat them, which i call under care, we not provide the evolved nest our ancestral species, normal way of raising kids. you're not going to breathe breaking. you're stressing, you're traumatizing the child, you're breaking connection. they don't grow what's supposed to be growing. and then

they have to build this big ego in order to protect themselves from all that pain and from the disregard, the disrespect that they experience. so then you have all these adults who are really are arrested development and they're more like toddlers or children because they never got their needs met and they still are searching restlessly to meet those that gap in their heart, their gap in their spirit. ok. professor, can i argue with you here a little bit, because i think most school of thoughts recognize that it's impossible to become a fully functioning individual without being traumatized in some way or shape. i mean, even in the most loving families, kids get traumatized things. i would argue that it's, you know, it's an indelible part of human condition. i know you believe that many western societies operate on the trauma inducing perspective. but isn't your argument also

doing that in a way? because if you only focus on what have been done to you as a child, rather than what you can do to yourself or yourself as an adult, aren't you get becoming essential now if you, it's a parent. things aren't built correct hard under stress. so we need as adults to learn her biology and the development of human rally has the longest chapter. your needs met as a young child when all these things were being built before the war in ukraine. i tend to be a lot of american activist and they always track these identity black activists, and it's not that i, i don't bring but i'm absolutely convinced then there are no one's trauma is more valuable than somebody else ability before ourselves to you know, we can do the american that's through pharmacological means,

sometimes through wonder if there are any other ideas that you can all lobel audiences. can you do it? can you gal perhaps having a lot of money from birth to about 6 years old is really a sense in that time period. traditionally we provide the needs of the child, the trauma that you experience in those years is really hard to. but one of us about right it is possible and they're not really, it depends on what it is. because as being established at the time your are being established really hard to change those kinds of things that tating for 8 hours a day. so you can do some of the healing. and one of our most famous psychologists in the united states comes from mac roan. you're a bronson brunner, any noted how in the united kinds of experiences growing up. whereas in russia,

where he grew up, people love their children, they, they were so kind and then even the community would always be responsive to the children that they met. so different in the united states were it's, you know, they're a pain in the neck. young children, you know, they don't minimize their needs. so we have this for both on tenderness in the united states. we've exported it now to the world because multinational corporations and we've then damaged the belief that babies need to be nurtured and care for and loved. and so you've got a whole bunch of traumatized people all over the world disorder. don't know how to heal. now the way to heal is so we each as adults need to learn to listen to see, to honor the presence of one another. to actually share our hearts and learn how to do that and be, and spend time together in loving ways. as an adult blame,

you know, the way i'm that way, we know what we want. we want to healed the awareness generational multiple generations of trauma, the europeans who came to the, you know, they brought it and they, and they, they spread it all over the world to understanding how you build a human being properly. how you heel way of relating to others. that's respectful, that honors people like objects. i hope we can discuss more of that after a short break stationed me the mm. welcome back to the processor psychology maritza at the university of notre dom. call off the worldview. now our purpose and their vice before the break, you know, they need to respect you know,

turning it into called you know, i'm doing some responsibility for, for your help. and one of the things that you, but i think whenever i am in the united is not only that of supported there because id, i would not idolize russia in this regard as well. because i think in this historical distress at the expense of the interview, having said that, i open get an impression that in western society, so on, it's sort of being used as a means of capitalist society. is this something that is seen as, as a means of making my checking and making them addictive to certain substances and perpetual. and more can you talk about that, you know, purpose, this is the means of, you know, the painting trauma versus, you know, authentic grief and, you know, basing and, yeah. so it's

a common problem in what's called a fueled way of looking at the world to try to them and then control the right. and so it's in psychology it's, and it is a, it's a problem because once you have a label then you feel can't get out of it. when you apply labels to young children, they often enter a reputation track and they can't escape. and so they can't really be themselves when they have a label. so the healthy society treats each individual not as a label, not as a category, and in the beauty of that individual. or now there is a lot of talking technological circles about the problem of narcissism, and it's cautious in and of itself is as a direct consequence you that of only recognize the material world and nothing out . something that was lost. her seeing every, essentially a functional means to,

to your film and mine is about the exclusion of you know, the degrees in the view simply because, you know, there are certain things in this live that cannot be match likely will be, is that if it's not, if it's not measured done, it's simply the, i agree with you. it isn't an issue the, the mouth and the left hemisphere is only wired to know itself. it's graded hemisphere is able to do things and were complicated taishan of how we've shifted into one little tiny bit of humanity and then decided that's all there is right. and it's to the, the universe to relation we undermine early childhood development. we are undermining those capacities because that's one of the right hemisphere grows more rapidly. now i think the growth is ultimately insecure, even though it pretends to be the dominant mindset in your book at a, you know, there are certain ways that mo, dominance and that type of college. i'm very tempted to frame it as the king or the

wounded king versus the kin mindset. can you elaborate on that? why there have to be such a division into black and white into well, we try to not have that binding it still left hemisphere or that you go consciousness that does that other either or. whereas life is a dynamic flow, need a hierarchy. in some time, most of the time you don't usually gala, terry, and that's how it's called. and so if the rigidity of the civilization or ego caught because it's unable to move off of those binary, i can alexa by me, that's clearly a clinical condition, not only in western systems inside this as well that is characterized by sort of the and, and the difficulty in distinguishing between bodily sensations and feelings. i go all on how to sort of bring that human life. can you share some of them?

yes. so in early life for the baby, you want to be face to face relating to them so that they actually are to get along with the others and, and understand their feelings. they weren't from their experience. what a baby experiences, what they become as adults, we're going to have to do a lot of therapy, right? if we have that again, is the face to face. relational attunement, eyes self, you know, you have to build, you've had your heart cut off, perhaps your spirit, your intuitions, and you have to build those up again. is focus on games in my classes so that children, the students, one another for build a sense of social joy and capacity to get along and then expand their imagination about how they're connected to mention being one on one with nature. an amazing way of doing that kind of work, even without the you know, psychotherapy, because in russia we have a different kind of narcissism because of our war path. many of our ancestors are

focused on the actual survival of the child, you know, feeding him. you know, now this is because you're, you're essentially treating a kid as an object that have to survive rather than a living human being. and they, i think it's certain point they didn't, didn't have time for of i found very helpful in my own path is just being one on one with nature and allowing nature to hear you. because, and this is one of the other things that you mentioned in your book, the universe, the nature is call, you know, enjoying this life. and it will help you if you allow that. it's so wonderful to be able to go out into a semi wild or wild nature and just sit there and listen to the trees and learn to build that receptive intelligence and comfort. that's 1st thing we call that right and your quarters, all levels, your stress levels go. there are many ways to connect to nature. we've done some research on that as well. so yes, i think that's everyone could pay attention to the clouds, the sun,

the dandelion or the and you can connect. now, you've written a lot about the so called embodied morality. and i think this is a challenging concept for many people on to understand because we usually associate morality with something mental, they're from a pulp, it's something that they preach without necessarily talk to days of cultivating, embodied morality in yes, and that's what i focus on in multiple book, early life experience again, is the baby feeling the up, their own empathy. they're learning they're, they're shaping their body to be socially attuned to others for. and so as, as adults too, we can learn again to be in our bodies rel, wherever you are. and connected wherever we are, when a web of relationships now, are you being respectful, are you being attuned to those you're with and that means you know, to appreciate the water that you're given from other earth mother earth is giving you so many gifts, the sun as a gift, right?

the sunshine. so pay attention the now the present. i'm myself an avid and very humble student of carl young. and he wrote a lot about how morality is not something that can be imposed by society. and i think it would even question your problem is that the childhood experience is, has so much way that i think, and he's view, you know, you know, the thomas that we receive has children are important. but there are ways of overcoming them primarily because in his view again, we hadn't had a forward looking function within us within the us to heal. and that constantly pushes us externally and internally in that direction. now it's a very daunting and at the same time, a very inspiring task, because essentially the progress of that argument is that you will have regardless of what happened to you, you will have to do the work to that have recovered what is underneath the trauma

and this is something that i want to ask you about. is there something underneath the trauma? do you think it's worth looking below it? well, let me just say 1st that we, we are living in phil is ation. that is trauma inducing. we forgot the pathway to wellness, so the wellness pathway is system to building our full potential as human beings. as we do so many things that undermine wellness, are you have to be careful not to just go back into thinking mind, well, you can do whatever it is to heal yourself and it's all in your hair. you have to feel it here. and perhaps even down below. yeah, yeah. got the, the brain, the brain to. but the part just, we know the heart has all sorts of thing influences on how we think brain access now. and the ways that our ancestor well made it all fit into the, the earth and being

a member of the earth community. i began with that made that as a box so below. so i believe deep also how the society, but i wonder if you believe that mean age where most people on, on the planet to understand who they are shaped into. but who that truly intrinsically within, you know, the time will run out before we can actually get to that glorious point challenging question. because the climate instability and just quite distressing, it won't take much more to really, but i am an optimist in terms of what is like a virus and then everybody changes, right. and just little changes around the edge. i pray for, i hope for that we can all return to connected to everyone around the planet. and i want to transfer your call and very easy to do ways. i mean, it does not the full healing. that's what, that's what it would ask for guarantees, but one of us can do to feel

a little bit better with the world. so thank you very much, both for the books and for this conversation. i'm thank you for watching the theory again. the worlds are far as the ah ah, the headlines are not here to national and our as for opec plus countries have announced plans to make duction that will total up to a 1000000 barrels suddenly level that you served with rumors made.