you know now in the future, just more protocols are going to have to do attacks on civilians because we simply don't know who was in the audience. here could have been families, young the speak, your son was there. and usually at these events, it is only civilians that don't have people from the military there. it's people that want to hear from people who've actually been there who've actually seen it and who can tell what they've seen, you know, for themselves on the part of everybody like nobody, nobody is certain. and it really helps to talk to people who've been there. and i'm sure that this is probably one of those types of events and it was nothing but civilian. you make a very good point. people going to as an event like that would most likely be civilians wanting to hear directly 1st hand the experiences of people who went to who went to war and to conflict. and just to reiterate to the audience who and plug

me in to, darcy was in that regard, he had joined the dunbar militias in 2014, in the wake of the my don qu, he since became known in russia's a blog and corresponding reporting from where he was originally from don bass. they've done yes and against people's at republic. he was also and. busy arthur and john, if it's proven that the attack was orchestrated by ukrainian forces, how do you think the kremlin is going to respond? i don't know. i don't know. that is a very difficult political question. and one that i couldn't even put in to answer. i mean, i know how i would personally respond, but i, i would be more of a loose cannon. you wouldn't want somebody like me in the politics of this because these decisions have to be made in a very serious,

very thoughtful manner. i'm just not the kind of guy that could make those kind of decision for a point. and as you well know in the aftermath of darya do gonna assassination. and i think it's fair to say that some western media outlets did not cover themselves in glory with their beds on the read a tauriel of and all most and justifying the murder because of her father was a philosopher. you know, not even somebody who went to war himself, but and do you think it will be at a different this, this time around? how do you think the west is going to react to, to this, this killing while they're going to deny, deny, deny, like they always do in last. they have evidence so strong that they just can't deny it. and i think that's what happened with dory do in this case because we've seen everything else, they've denied so only if they're put into a corner and they have to make some kind of admission. are they going to make some

kind of admission? and you're right. you know, it's really disgraceful the journalists in the west. i mean, these are their colleagues, they might not share the same opinion, but these are their colleagues. and when you start murdering journalists, because of the news that they are covering. because of the point of view that they are covering, this is a very slippery slope. and if this were to happen in the west, they would change their tune drastically. it just finally, jo. marquee, you've lived and rush, you've, you've, you've traveled the country, you know, people here, you know the mentality. if the purpose of an attack like this is to try and then the spirit of the russian people and make them, perhaps question the operation more. do you think that's going to work? the only thing they are going to be questioning is why it took so long. to have the

special operation started, because people are going to be outraged over this. the russian people were peaceful people in st. petersburg. they are not going to be nice about this. they're not going to question if russia is doing the right thing. now they are going to know their russia is doing the right then joe mark too, again for me, your screen and you political analysts and flogger. thank you very much for coming on the program on sharing your views, and i'm sure your condolences as well from the death of the lager your colleague essentially. you know, john, thank you. thanks. well, let's just recap what we're speaking to john mark talking about their high profile rushing watch list. lovelyn tar ski has been killed after an explosion ripped through a cafe in rushes, northern capital st. petersburg. at least 25 other people were wounded. in the

blast of warning, you may find the following video upsetting the photo shows the aftermath of the attack. from inside the cafe we blurred the image of the slain at journalists. the image, of course, is distressing for we cannot show it to you directly. the coffee appears to be destroyed almost entirely by the last record shows the tables chairs on the stage where lovelyn was speaking from among the debris, as well as this, by the way, is the aftermath. and just after the explosion on the street outside the street bar cafe, and that was where the word report and blogger was hosting the offend at just after 6 o'clock in the evening. this sunday's you can see traffic just going past at

people off course and, and busy thoroughfare of rushes, northern capital, a seeing and hearing an explosion of that magnitude, of course went to the area and to try and help emergency services are there at 2 at dealing with the injured up to 25 people are injured. when firefight remark it remarks that one of those injured is the son of the at lager who was inside at the time we do not know at their states and how they are right now in the local hospitals and clinics. but we do know the are of course at getting at treatment. let's show you as well a video han just before this was seen inside the venue. a statue is seen being handled by the war of logger. that's apparently a homemade bomb, packed with metal fragments. it detonated just

a short time after that. a local journalist, maxine and throb a shelf sent us this report from missy. behind me is they cafe in the center of st. petersburg were, and the printers at that place and the explosive do i so said auth claim in life or at least one person and even another 20, that's what we know so far. the hey police present and we can get any closer to the site. but keep you posted. but earlier we spoke with thomas roper, he says, this is not the 1st attempt on someone's life. in net rush in such a way on. it's difficult to create a security situation where everyone is protected. this is not the 1st attempt to kill people in russia from the ukrainian side. we remember dia tonight, out of the things. the thing is, this is not complicated to have something over this in this meetings which they have. as i said, i was there once. there's quite frankly, atmosphere. i saw the people are sitting at the cafe, you make

a presentation and the break, or you can get smoke a coffee, but the people have a chat. and that somebody ask you something well gives you a present. this is, you know, this can happen. it's just to verify the atmosphere in a cafe with a presentation. nothing that nothing else. what is there a sense of terror? it's, it's, it's to feel the people in this case, not maybe not even the russians themselves as a whole, but especially the, the journalist they always try hunting for journals like that. do you know, was a, bonded, must go like this time with this war correspondent. so i'm seems that they want to just make the, the journalist free and b, b afraid this seems to get the pers well, the thing is, i know this cafe and of the group was organizing this disability. i saw him right now in contact with them writing with people. i also don't have much information there. many in europe as far as i know, but nothing, nothing deterred yet. ok ortiz j bowles has that jaundiced again in the

shooter. she has been coming in with there are data and some things are starting to to come through about what occurred. yeah, we know there's a 25 injured and wound dead in this indiscriminate attack in the center of st. petersburg in a very popular and busy part of the city. as you mentioned earlier, unit. and we now know that the russian interior ministry has opened a criminal investigation into this attack. and we also are seeing that there was huge devastation there from some video, which we've seen that this. it was a very powerful explosion. and we can now have a listen to some witness statements from the scene that overseas. but yes, my friend and i were walking towards the university embankment and at that time we heard an explosion. it was a doll explosion like a pop. after about 10 to 15 minutes, we found ourselves in the heart of the events that were not so many eye witnesses. i asked those who were there. only

a few people understood what was going on. we didn't realize at the time that it was a terrorist attack, but we understood that it wasn't safe for us to be there. at that time, we saw that many wounded people were coming out. there were 2 ambulances, firefighters were nearby. people were being carried out on stretches. you and i saw something covered on a stretcher like a corpse. it was an unpleasant site that we were there for 2 minutes and then left . i spoke at the event by video call. i wasn't physically there. i have known, flatland personally since 2022. he had participated in military actions provided assistance to the front, urged others to help his activities benefited society in the state. so his popularity was absolutely deserved. the statue given to him was allegedly mind. we must wait for statements from the authorities. it is clear that a criminal case will be initiated under the article terror attack. from my point of view, these are ukrainian special services. their goal is to try to intimidate journalists

and military officers. and to show that our special services are not able to prevent a terror attack in the city center. so, you know, we know that this was an award ceremony or a presentation of sorts. and it was held by a group calling to serve cyber group z, which we believe is some sort of a group of bloggers and people who are covering the conflict for mediums like telegram. and there are also report stud this was presented directly to ludlow and asked is event causing his immediate death and the group when you organize events have also given us a statement which we can have a look. dear friends and colleagues, during our event, a terrorist attack occurred in the cafe we hired. we took certain security measures, but unfortunately they were not enough. we express our condolences to the families and friends of the victims,

special condolences to everyone who knew the wonderful war correspondent and our good friend vital to tusky. now we are co operating with law enforcement and hope that all the perpetrators will be punished. unfortunately, we can't tell you anything else yet. yeah, this person was clearly well known, but sometimes you forget the family as well as the people who will be most affected right now. but what occurred but give us a sense of his public and start sure here. yeah, well he had a very significant presence on telegram, which is a burgeoning and growing and medium by which the conflict ukraine has been covered . a half a 1000000 followers when you have half a 1560000 or so which, which is a significant press, very bon on telegram and his, he has it. this was almost his, his nom degree or vladimir flood. and his real name is maxine full. mean he was from a keep cassidy in the don bass and interesting. he,

he'd spend time actually as a fighter in the don bus malicious between 20142017. and that would have given him significant access to the bottle for him to feel like and knowledge of what was happening on the ground. and that would have attracted a lot of viewers because he would have had a very detailed and almost expert view of the battlefront. and as i say, he had been very prominent in publishing video and analysis of the conflict there. so he did have a very high profile and he was well known and i think that's what led to his demise . unfortunately, i imagine that's why he was speaking today because somebody who, how about kind of been deaf to local knowledge, who had been a soldier, a volunteer there with the militias. people want to, people want to hear about what it's like. there are directly on the grow and so it would be it would be non military people. i would imagine going to a speech to are an award ceremony like this,

wanting to know wanting to hear directly about what occurred in terms of responsibility che and what, 3 hours after this occurred. anything emerging on that? no, we have no claims of responsibility from any quarter. and of course, we would imagine that if it was to come, it would come sometime afterwards. but of course, suspicion would obviously fall in ukraine's direction. i would suggest, when we look at what occurred with diarrhea do going to last summer, a car bombing similar modus operandi. there's reports that this was a female assailant in st. petersburg. unconfirmed. of course, we're now getting reports that it was a male book, that modus operandi seems to be quite similar. it was a very professionally and determined attack. and again, one of the key issues here, you and, and as you and i will be aware coming from, from an irish background,

was that there doesn't seem to be any warning whatsoever. this attack, it was an indiscriminate discriminant attack that could have been found these children present or in the vicinity. and it was the same with the attack. where do you do going to was, was murdered in moscow last year. i puts us to a point to a guest earlier as well, and he was adamant. he's a security and then political analyst here in russia. he's adamant that ad. this was carried out on the orders of the ukrainian military. and you mentioned the parallels with, with daria doing his murder. it was late, her transpired, rush immediately said that it was elements of the military curry that i us spies were liter. find to have said just that as well. they put the blame on what occurred to pain. so i imagine this would be a terrorist investigation. it would be going forward with that type of motive with a type of thinking. i think that's what's going to be the priority here. and in

terms of the investigation going forward, thanks for giving us. that was all states. one person dead, 25 people injured in st. petersburg che bose with the latest on the thanks. thank you. oh okay. as more information comes in to us, we will immediately bring it to you on the program. but for now, let's move on to more news to bring you from to day on the week. that was the netherlands, are a force killed at least 7 civilians in a 2016 attack on a residential building in iraq. that's the revelation being made public by the dutch media lit and r c. the handling of the incident raises questions about the jew care of the investigations into civilian death promised by the cabinet. to university professors and 5 family members, including a 3 year old girl, were reportedly killed in the attack on a residential complex at the university of muzzle that media investigation

concluded of the bombing was based on intelligence that had wrongly identified that complex as a terrorist headquarters despite only those 2 families living there, the dutch defense minister house call for an official inquiry. the attack was allegedly conducted under the auspices of a u. s. lead mission against the ice hill terrace group. dutch military or strikes were previously debated by national lawmakers following another report into an incident several years ago that killed ugly 70 civilians. well, the netherlands engaged in a military intervention against isaac, from 2014, to 19 the dutch defense ministry has said it would disclose information about more than 600 r strikes it conducted in iraq and syria run 2200 bombs are believe to been used during at that campaign, independent dutch journalist sonya found an en day,

so he's the country has never been transparent about its involvement in those complex. i think that shows the whole you are, you are, the countries are relying actually on the us. we had around about 12 years. so all production by 500000 barrels a day. that's a clip equating to around 5 percent of daily output. it comes after just the end of last year, washington demanded re believe will start next month. that's what's been spoken about and continue until the end of the year, the countries energy ministry said the move was aimed at supporting market the. let's see. the path was followed by other opec plus cuts. well, it comes months after another production cut was agreed by opec plus members last november despite numerous caused by western leaders at not to do so. the ramifications of that cut will, i suppose,

become apparent in the next number of hours the reaction comes into it. probably a negative one from the western world who are using it partly as an attempt to put pressure on russia, not to get profits from energy production supplies, but also as a way to get cheaper fuel for their citizens. ok. moving on now on the program, members of the ukranian nationalist group, right sick to have gathered in front of an orthodox monastery and yet threatening undemanding parishioners leave. there are members of the group are known for their extremist views on their popularity has risen since the my done curve. 2014 tensions in the area have been on the rise as kia, has been seeking to evict monks and clergy members from the 1000 year old sites yesterday, the head of the mama stream metropolitan pavel was sentenced the 60 days high sir.

rest over religious ties to moscow. this was his immediate reaction to the really you know, the ruin intro his mom. i didn't do anything. i know this is a political case because i was told to switch to the key of backed orthodox church of ukraine, but i said, no, i was threatened. the security services of ukraine came to me and said, a criminal case should be opened against me and it was, i don't know who planned it. i'm not going to figure that out because it's not my style to settle accounts until he is being treated like a criminal. the head of the orthodox clergy and kit will have to wear an electric time for the period of his confinement those 2 months. his lawyer said they would appeal decision on health groans. incidentally, the 1st court appearance by at the abbot was postponed due to his ill health. at ortiz, senior correspondent,

murat gas div can tell us more about this situation. head of the key of picturesque lava was detained earlier today, he was taken to a court hearing. he felt poorly, who's taken the hospital of enforce fully by ukrainian security agents. taken back to court, we know that he is being charged on 2 counts. one is sparking and finding inter religious hatreds and enmity, the subject matter the evidence we haven't seen, but also with rejecting the premise of the russian aggression which in care of and all over ukraine is seen something as, as gospel that russia is the aggressive should be resisted everywhere of the scenes from the monasteries the key of which of lava ah harrowing for many orthodox folk for not justin in ukraine. but all over the world, their sending shudders through worshippers of the she has such that supporters,

who's against the eviction and the takeover of for you kids. what have you quince largest monasteries is that they're there. they're praying, they're trying to resist without violence. and you have ukrainian nationalist also at the scene, radicals who haven't the slightest interested in religion, but a just happy to be somewhere where, what they deem what are being called per russians are being evicted. you have seen showing people praying on their knees and around them dancing ukrainians, dancing nationalists, sorry, radicals, chanting insults, threat fulcher. we have heard from the ukranian government which again 1st has since 2000. 1 and 18 made it a policy to try and replace the ukranian orthodox church, which it sees as independent and unruly and far too per russian with the orthodox

church of ukraine which, which is a very different thing and teaches a very different religion. although claiming to be the same, they, they, for example, teach the ukrainians should never have children with russians that ukrainians should only him to mix with ukrainians to keep the blood pure. we've also heard a presidential advisor come out and comment on what is happening saying now is the dawn to eliminate the unruly clergy. a unique chance when everything could be resolved very quickly and painlessly was during the 1st 3 to 6 months of the war. then it was possible to simply physically clean out many pro russians. today, it is a little more difficult. but again, a little harder does not mean impossible. and today we must use legal and tough means to sweep them away. you cried in government, as i said, has been added for years and in recent months of the pot off for you, so vc these efforts to clamp down to pressure to dismantle the ukrainian orthodox

church of only ramped up will the events surrounding may church in ukraine have resonated in ethiopia, valleys where the largest orthodox christian community outside of eastern europe resides. a priest from the holy trinity theological university in addis ababa fears that cracked on could fuel more violence in ukraine. any government or any for the economy? this issue really never went wrong, speeding the christian not get anything building. lot of the christians much to the shooting. martin being to he's one of those shot international challenges. so if it's under persecution, by government off, i mean,

it's kind of hard to do or something. it's not going on for me on my peace. don't the point. it's not, it's not the most. it isn't the time we got you got to try it out. it doesn't, it doesn't define what, what do you mean by, you might, might use different kinds of expression. and of painting you can do what the fox news is, the evil horse who doesn't want the people to be gone and who doesn't want to go to my feet in the bus to get out of it. but this is natalie to look because i'm not, i'm saying this is the fact the way we have understood that every meeting goes was really we not physically mean

tiny even decide what to do. they will look at why they don't bring in why they begun them from doing this. so it is so obvious. so please, are they not you the intervention of the who doesn't want us to be in communion with no one else to be with god. and if we keep on prayer and do something this, because this is one of the, know, you know, ducky well let's recap. our breaking news story and explosion has occurred in a cafe in russia's northern capital st. petersburg, killing high profile of russian war journalists, blood lin, to tar sky. at least 25 other people were wounded in the blast. the warning you may find the following video upsetting the funny shows the aftermath of the attack from

inside the street bar. then you, when you flirt the image of the slain journalists, the images distressing, so we cannot show it to you directly. the cafe appears to have been all but destroyed by the last record of tables and chairs are among the debris. this moment shows the moment that blasts occurred. i sighed the front area, the all those windows just smashed on to incoming at traffic. that was where the war report and blogger inside was hosting an event. and we believe receiving an award, a local journalists, maxine drama shelf, sent us this report from this behind me is day cafe in the center of st. petersburg . we're in the hunters at that place. and the explosive do as was said, of claiming life, or at least one person. and you're in another 20, that's what we know so far the hey police present and we can get any closer to the site. but we will keep you posted. i will assure you bits as well. this is video

taken inside that venue just before we believe the exclusionary statue is seen being humbled by the work corresponding on stage and whether that was the prize being given. but we believe that that was a home made bomb packed with metal fragments that detonated a little time after that. we've heard from loveland to tours case friend who spoke to him the day before, the deadly incident. what texted with him yesterday he sat, if some one roto topic on his channel, he would block them. we agreed to go to belgrade. together i found out about the incident from social networks says there was the news that a man had died than we found dowdy west. him. he wrote that many things were written to him and he said that he would block them. we had a lot of plans recently. we're both went to the conflict zone. we went to logan's

co together. it's hard for me to talk. he was my good friend. he was honest, fair funny. i've lost a friend. what else can i say? i'm trying to call his relatives while waiting to hear from his wife. well as cross alive now to journalist and analyst wyatt. read for his take white. always good to see you am a pity, under the circumstances they, they say killing of a war lager to they in st. petersburg, your initial reaction at to, to what we're learning about the attack. my initial reaction is that i am deeply saddened to hear of the death of a journalist, but i'm not terribly surprised. i think this is typical.