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then from social networks says there was the news that a man had died done with found out, he was him, he wrote that many things were written to him and he said that he would block them . we had a lot of spans recently. will both run to the complex zone. we went to la garza together. it's hard for me to talk. he was 12 friends. he was honest, fair funny. i've lost a friend. what else can i say? i'm trying to call his relatives. well, wait to hear from his wife for you. well as cross alive now to journalist and i'm list went read for his tech. why it's always good to see you and a pity, under the circumstances they the killing of a war lager today in st. petersburg, your initial reaction to, to what we're learning about the attack. my initial reaction is that i am deeply saddened to hear of the death of a journalist, but i'm not terribly surprised. i think this is typical terror tactics,
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that kind of tactics. we come to expect the regime, the kind of tactics i've come to expect for the suppose it crime of having reported from genetic i was placed on, you know, a kill list by the regime. my hotel, which was known toast journalists, was shelled by the regime. i narrowly avoided that explosion myself personally. so i'm not surprised to see this kind of terror tactics, although i am certainly very saddened to hear of the death of a journalist, the injuries of so many of his friends and colleagues in terms of responsibility on who carried all at the time just in the last few moments, wyatt at here was quick to distance itself from the attack with the president's office denying any involvement. what do you make of i think that's
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exactly what they would say at given the circumstances. we know they appeared to take credit for the assassination of daria deanna and the aftermath of that terror attack. and were very publicly rebuked by the united states government for doing so . i think this reflects the newfound sort of prominent. so suppose it russian lead groups that, that are there going to pin the blame on for this kind of attack. i think they want to probably portray this as though it's somehow independent of although very clearly, i think at this point my, my very strong suspicion is that they were behind this 100 percent. your so your senses then this was either carried out or given the, the thumbs up as it were, by the, by the key government itself. not perhaps a, i don't know,
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some kind of of other regimented grouping that would want to kill him. but you're saying that it's most likely to be at state apparatus because of, of what we know previously. right. given the track record here, given the glee with which prominent officials, n p have described previous attacks, including obviously the back on the curt bridge, the primary bridge, the again, the, the terror attack on daria. do you know, which was apparently, it's something to take out her father, alexander doing all of these kind of points to an acceptance. you know, sort of the, you get regina embracing these tactics in a very public sense. so i don't, i don't view their denial as really anything we can take very seriously at
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this point. it's, but it's to me and my, my very strong suspicion would be that they were involved in some will and some directing kind of possession. i think it's perhaps worth just them reminding or audience as well. by doria, duke. and as you mentioned, she was killed last summer in not in the car, but her father was believed to be the russian philosopher. believe to be the initial target's. russian security services said that it was ukrainian state doctors who carried it i'd it was laid her essentially confirmed by u. s. spies, who said parts of the ukrainian government, where were directly involved in that. i would suggest now why i thought the investigation going forward would have to have as the precedence that there is a link cure. absolutely,
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and i think you'd have to be kind of foolish to overlook. first of all the motives right. let's, let's contextualize this a little bit. we're at a moment where the suppose id counter offensive as for all intents and purposes, not materialize. the pressure campaign which the ongoing shipments of western weapons to really depend on has been a kind of a law recently not a lot of immediacy around that, especially in the west. so i think this is kind of the kind of tactic that you'll see, the regime embrace as they begin to feel, perhaps a little bit more desperate. they're not racking up any victories on the battlefield. well, of course they can always go out and take out some journalists, a lot easier to kill, right, frankly, then russian soldiers. but i don't know when such
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a tactic has ever worked in any conflict with when you kill a journalist or somebody speaking to another 10 will take their place. that's how historically it's always worked. that's what to me seems so bizarre about a tactic here. do you think that it's a concerted attack against and journalists, or is it more perhaps to try and still fear in a busy city center street in rushes, northern capital. but look at us, we can carry out attacks like this. even though it, it was quite small skilled. right. i think i think both are true in this case. certainly that was my experience reporting from the nets was that every time the nationalist suffered a step back on the battlefield, shelling would increase in the downtown civilian areas that that was almost their
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way of getting back at the civilian population for the advances of the russian forces i think frankly we're dealing with people who don't really differentiate very much between civilians and military. at that point. the view anyone who sympathizes with the russian perspective is being essentially a collaborator and fair game. we know that numerous videos in which high ranking officials admitted themselves, we know that from videos as you correctly note though, i think 1st of all, black lin tusky was not necessarily a traditional journal. even right. we're talking about somebody who's just a russian guy who compelled to kind of stand up for his country and fight back against what he saw as an information worth, their campaign being waged against him and his country by the west. so of course you are correct to note that when they take out one, i think 10 more, a 100 more will pop up in his place and you but yeah, this is,
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i think in the same sense you are correct about the, the idea that this is meant to sort of strike terror into the general population and remind them that kind of in the eyes of much of the west, there is no difference between you and the military population. you're all kind of russians the us. now you're all fair game and i hope there is a bit more of an outcry then i've seen in the western media because so far, the kind of justifications i've seen for it make me hang my head in shame at the, and prospective so many of my so called the journalistic colleagues have taken on. that's exactly what i just wanted to touch upon. why, if i could, because as you well know, in the aftermath of the daria do, gonna killing some of the, some of the editorials some of the right thing was,
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it was spectacular. i would say in almost trying to justify the killing of a, of a 26 year old journalist in terms of what's happening now. how would you think, do you think that i want to say learn their lesson or at least would try and put sober journalism 1st in the, in a, in a type of tribute or in a bit, sri to this person? or is it just, you know what, it's part of the gate? sadly, i think it's the ladder. i think one is likely to be kind of dismissed as hard as then who got what he had coming in the western reports about this unfortunate attack very, isn't it just to think like not in the way that the journalist could do that. just just see it as just collateral killing and, and there's no type of, there's no type of, i'd cry, you know, well, like if,
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if they can't even muster up the courage to say a word about julian assigned, they couldn't even muster that up for 8 years you know, i really don't have a whole lot of hope for them now. especially at so many of them really do kind of see themselves as artisans, in an ongoing cold war against russia. they really sort of do, especially in this post russia gate moment view themselves as active combatants themselves and kind of information, were there campaign. and so i think they, they view the death of someone likewise as, as justifiable. and i would suspect many of them will privately cheer it if not publicly, excuse it, or justify it that that is certainly the track record so far. and, you know, the kind of the kind of coverage i'm expecting is basically, well, the war comes, i expect to hear the times of the and then talk about, you know, vladimir putin's so called invasion finally coming home. but you know,
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this is kind of the, i would encourage viewers to, to, with every bit of coverage they hear about this, ask themselves what it would be like if they heard these people making these kind of excuses in the aftermath of 911. if they made her these kind of excuses in the early 2, thousands, they heard people kind of sympathizing with those time. i've been latin as they do the head of what i think biology. what i think frankly, at this point we have no choice but to label a terror regime. imagine what it would be like to hear those kinds of finding descriptions applied to someone like ben lot and you can see what kind of an incentive. yeah, i'm not sure the journalist question could answer that either. just finally, why it's, it's a tough question to end with, but i want to put it to you and we don't know how rush is going to react to this.
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so i don't want to say hi, what do you think they will do? but what you think the, what do you think moscow the kremlin should do? well, number one, they're going to have to take care to make sure that people feel protected, that they have a sense of security. that's kind of the main most important job of the government is to protect the security of its citizens. so they're going to want to make sure that going forward, something like this does not happen. i imagine as we speak, there are quite a high number of efforts to be what have you, whatever type of security personnel working very hard to figure out exactly what went wrong and how to prevent that in the future. it's kind of a sobering reminder that the limits that we thought
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maybe the regime had learned to respect after being chastised by the united states government, probably, or sponsoring a terrorist attack against dina. we, we are reminded now that there really are no limits. and at this point everyone is fair game. so we're going to have to, i think be vigilant about what that means. take precautions accordingly and, but try to obviously continue to maintain some kind of semblance of normalcy, right? so it will be a fine line to, to walk, but so far i haven't seen anything to indicate that's not the case why we always appreciate you coming the program. thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with us today. at journalist an analyst, white read live on the program. well, as new information reports continue to come,
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men were doing their best to verify and did what happened today at just after 6 o'clock in the evening in saint petersburg. and we want to show you another witness video. we've received this lady a certain she source, another suspicious woman, something we were increasingly hearing before the explosion. girl stayed in the room and when everything happened, she came out with me after me. after some time from 2 to 10 minutes, an explosion occurred from my seat. it looked like smoke and fire somewhere in the distance, people came out and the girl came out with everyone else. there was a crowd that ran out. some were normal looking just scared. and some had red or bloody smudges on their faces. my name is diana cor. lever. my friends and i were there. they were sitting at the table with this girl. her name was nastier. well, just to some of her breaking news story, ted day, one person is data. another 25 kill following an explosion in the city center of st
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. petersburg and investigation. by russia's investigative committee is under way at any and all the details emerging about what appears to be a concerted attack on a prominent russian war. lager is the man who is deceased. today, we will bring it to india's external efforts minister has said that western nation should keep pirates of his country's internal matters thing. they think their power comes from above. the west has a bad habit for a long time of commenting on the somehow thing get some kind of god given just the background to this. the statement comes days after the u. s. and germany weighed into an internal ra, over indian politician rahul gundy used removal from parliament. no. gandy. the
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congress leader who was the congress leader, was found guilty of making defamatory remarks about prime minister moody. 4 years ago, new delhi, the ruling party, accused the opposition of inviting foreign powers of the quote to interfere in the matter. when the minister said no foreign diplomat has raised the issue of gun these disqualification. well, foreign policy on law is the under termer. bungee believes remarks coming from western politicians on india's internal affairs. just start walking i think india has always had already of policy when it comes to foreign intervention. we do not promote that. we do not want it because it does an independent country. and so it can be any such remark made by any politician by the indian or western, or anybody is more welcome. and it should be seen as that. and we do not recommend for an intervention in our country at all on matters concerning a democratic structure or otherwise the ideal,
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focusing on mr. ross on his because he is the leader of the principal opposition party, the national congress, which has been the bragging part of the party that was at the helm of the indian independence movement. but he had made objectional remarks about the prime minister, his name, among others, which did not go down, but several people as well. so it was in that context that the us all to jumped in and it was been within that situation. russia of assume the presidency of the un security council, but seeing it happened on april 1st, the foreign policy chief took to twitter from the other job. russia taken over today, you and security council presidency is fitting for april fools day. despite being a permanent member of the security council, russia continuously, well, it's the very essence of the un legal framework. the you will stand against any abuse by
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a russian presidency. the un security council consists of 15 countries with 5 permanent and 10 elected members. according to the un charter, the presidency passes every month to another member in alphabetical order, rushes envoy to the un bustling the bencher safe. moscow will focus on the multi polar world. i'm sick to settle conflicts in the middle east. milton analyst alex at repro trophy shared his thoughts and why the west isn't happy with the let's look forward to what this is, what this is getting all about is the group, the european union group, the e u. the club is crumbling in front of their eyes and as they say the guilty, always screamed the loudest, united states has an a, you know, a dismal track record. and for them to come in and lay in and comment on this. once again is i will call it the clown show. let's look at the, you know, united nations and have they, you know, brought the u. s. in front of the united nations and pretty much charged them with
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anything. no, once again, it's this selected memory that they have, the revolving chairs comes around to russia. now maybe russia can educate these gentlemen and ladies that are attending these meetings. what diplomacy is all about? and as exactly, we saw that a historic meeting there recently with a present g of china and vladimir putin building these relationships building these bridges. we saw china also negotiate, you know, kind of what we'll call it a, a peace agreement between 2 nations that were adversaries for many years. thank. thank god, to me. and we're finally seeing russia finally get the chair and maybe just, maybe this will be an opportunity for russia to finally have a voice. we are dealing with a society now where of course, we've heard of the cancel culture society. but now with these collective west companies, they want to cancel countries. i mean, right down to the athletes,
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right down to the big max. this is what they're all about right now. 10 minutes to 10 p. m. here in moscow, a recap of our breaking news story today and explosion has occurred in a cafe and russia's northern capital st. petersburg, killing high profile russian work journalists, la glenn tar ski, who is believed to have been the target of that blast at least 24 other people were wounded. a warning you may find the following video upsetting the photo. it shows the aftermath of the attack from inside the st. far venue we blurred the image of the slain journalist. picture is distressing, so we do not want to show it to you directly. the cafe appears to have been destroyed entirely by the last record, job tables, chairs are among the debris, and i'd side on the street. this was the incident itself. the moment the blast
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occurred, and we believe out the time, the war reporter and blogger was hosting an event, perhaps even getting a, an award for his journalism in dolton boss during russia's military operation. a local journalist maxine probably shelf center said this brief take from the c. beside me. is they cafe in the center of st. petersburg. we're the furnitures of that place, and the exposes, do i so said elf, claiming life, or at least one person, and even another 20. that's what we know so far, the how you posed present and we can get any closer to the site. but we will keep you posted on in this video taken inside the venue statue as seen being handled by the war, corresponded possibly be award itself at being given to him. it's apparently a home made. busy bomb packed with metal fragments and detonated just the short
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time after this video was taken one eye witness and told us what she saw. ashanna who i'm going to. hm. the law 1st, she took the microphone and started asking him questions, and she said, do you remember of lovelyn? i gave you a postcard. he said, is this the one you drew? she replied, yes. he asked her name and she said nastier than she continued. now i would like to give you a statue. she said that when she entered the cafe, she was asked whether it was a bomb and was asked to leave the statue at the entrance. then she brought it to the stage and gave it to london. it was a golden head and helmet. it didn't look like a flat when it and everyone laughed and they put it down, they put it back, and suddenly everything exploded. the smoke appeared, and then everything was like in slow motion, everyone ran. those who were nearby were covered in blood and we've been hearing a testimony like that, but only now our video is coming out like that from people who are actually inside
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at the room. again, i want to bring you this all the witness who describes details of again, a suspicious woman. the girl stayed in the room and when everything happened, she came out with me after me. after some time from 2 to 10 minutes, an explosion occurred from my seat. it looked like smoke and fire somewhere in the distance, people came out and the girl came out with every one else. there was a crowd that ran out. some were normal looking, just scared, and some had red or bloody smudges on their faces. my name is diana cora leva. my friends and i were there. they were sitting at the table with this girl. her name was nastier. but we heard from a friend of blood lin, to tour ski as well, who had only been in contact with him a day earlier after the events of this sunday. what, texting with him yesterday he sat, if some one roto topic on his channel, he would block them. we agreed to go to belgrade. together i found out about the
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incident from social nap legs says there was the news that a man had died than we found out a west. him. he wrote that many things were written to him and he said that he would block them. we had a lot of bands recently were both went to the conflict zone. we went to logan's co together. it's hard for me to talk. he was my good friend. he was honest, fair funny. i've lost a friend. what else can i say? i'm trying to call his relatives while waiting to hear from his wife, while the bloss happened around 3 and a half hours ago and on investigation is ongoing into a who or at what caused it's in terms of reaction though, we have been hearing a very similar thing political analyst surrogate markoff believes the same pattern, was used to kill russian journalists. doria do gonna last august, and he believes the ukrainian state, the hand of them could be in play. my good time, cassandra. generous. i've actually been,
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i got nice buy specific military incentives incentives always different. i mean, it's always that you paid because it's been organized by, by is the 2nd edition that he had to get. and as we know, evidence is that's exactly keep organized to stuff like again that i know i've been punished. that's nevertheless, but i'll show you a little off nice nation about school organize those cities that are going to come back to nike and from our point of view, it also can look more broadly and we will see that knowing why for keep it is you can being killed because it's glare that russia can not use z. smith box doesn't source a d. s. keep it as a k been killed because executors that are not on the against rock
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bottom mostly important. that's what i thank you. jeez. every aboard you who support inc. special media and ukraine and who publicly express. so this is also attack against freedom of speech. in the russians, i want a 1000 people to be raised to support rational military patients. also, this is set up like sick i little to go on psychological eval against one human fortune because some period of work is native care or bridge of dental rational medical. and as i wasn't going to judy back in the guys on the practical level to hide away, i formation shade doth ah, jackie,
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ts ross or ducks church ortiz, j boys said joined us again in the studio as a has been giving us the, the latest al fits into at what occurred in st. petersburg today at chick can we prop start with the the slain journalist? him self. tell us who he was? yes. well he was a very well known a man at his name on line and on his platforms was vladin at petoskey. that was at nom de gary, if you like, a pen name. his real name was maxine a foreman and he was from mckee cas city in the dawn bus. and he had fought in the dumbass under hans malicious between 20142017 which would have given him a unique amount of access to the fighting. and during that very tumultuous period at post, at my dan, in the eastern ukraine. so he, it was a prominent blogger. he had a huge, a telegram channel with over half
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a 1000000 followers. and for those of us who understand telegram this a very, very big platform, it's a huge following, and this is only followers. views may have been, may have been much, much larger. so he was a very influential into influential, sorry, a pro russian blogger. so a lot of people would have got their, their direct information about the conflict, perhaps from him as well. that's, that's how a prominent he was. yeah, i mean, i mean, a lot of people access telegram on a daily basis to get their information about the conflict increasingly so as well. and so can you tell us j, just what unfolded to they been in st. petersburg year? well, we know there's been $24.00 people now confirmed injured that's gone down. thankfully phone 25. we believed earlier. one person kill 2. we can confirm is blood into tarkey. it was an indiscriminate, if you like, terrorist tack unit in the center of the city full of civilians. there was no
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warning given we believe and it was a huge blast which contains significant amounts of explosives we're hearing from different sources. apparently the device was in a statuette or an award of some sort which had been presented to mr to tar sky and kill him instantly. devastating this cafe and restaurant. as i say, there was no a warning given whatsoever we believe. and we can now actually listen to some witness accounts of what a cursor overseas. but if my friend and i were walking towards the university embankment and at that time we heard an explosion. it was a dull explosion like a pop. after about 10 to 15 minutes, we found ourselves in the heart of the event so union, this was an award ceremony of sorts, a meeting of a group who called himself cyber from c, which we believe is a sort of a,
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a loose grouping of activists and commentators on the conflict at this stage and they have also given a statement about what occurred today. we can have a look at on this new little this is special, the if my friend and i were walking towards the university embankment and at that time we heard an explosion. it was a dull explosion like a pop. after about 10 to 15 minutes, we found ourselves in the heart of the events. there were not so many. i went hollings during our event, a terrorist attack occurred in the cafe we hired. we took certain security measures, but unfortunately they were not enough. we express our condolences to the families and friends of the victims, special condolences to everyone who knew the wonderful walk our respondents in our good friends ragland to task.

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