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tv   Cross Talk  RT  April 4, 2023 11:00pm-11:31pm EDT

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ah, ah ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock or all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. some of called the conflict in ukraine, a war of attrition, others claim russia is pursuing its own strategy on its own time table. however, there is ample evidence to care regime is losing and badly. and this is why this stage of the conflict is so dangerous. ah cross sucking the conflict in ukraine. i'm joined by my guess brian electric. in
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bangkok he is a jew political analyst, and a former us marine. and in london, we have adrenal consulting. he is the founder of aka consulting and a foreign affairs analyst. are gentlemen cross stock rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, brian, let me go to you 1st before we talk about this critical stage in the conflict and ukraine. i couldn't help, but notice of the washington post is saying that the european officials, i really want to avoid talking about nord stream to i mean if this is a situation that is not going to go away, the legacy media, the corporate media can ignore at all it wants, but a lot of people are still very interesting. actually, the insurers in germany hast, at the by law, they have to ask questions, what happened to their asset? this is not a story to go to go away and the more they invent sidebar stories, the more hilarious and ridiculous that they, they actually are. go ahead, brian. i think it's a contributing factor to the,
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the overall deterioration of the west and its stature on the global stage. there was this massive attack at erst attack and a major structure project. and nobody's interested in who did it, which tells you actually everything you know about need to know about who actually did it. and then the fabrication of these stories that are so absurd, they're dismantled in 5 minutes, and then they come back with a revised edition. it, it's absurd to the point of amusement until you realize how much power and wealth these people still have in their hands and how dangerous it is that people with this mindset behaving in this matter. you know, i really, you know, it's almost this alternative story about these ro, ukrainian elements. i possibly russians working with them. they can't let that job . they just can't let that go. but it sounds like the s s amino gilligan's island. i mean, that's the level of parity. they've gotten themselves to go ahead in london. well,
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that's true. i think this shows how the west things that people can, you know, keep on going with, with not asking questions or how the corporate media can somehow kick the problem along the grass without giving the, the answers to the legitimate questions. i mean, if the russia would have been a perpetrator of, of, of, of this terrorism attack on its own infrastructure. i'm pretty sure that the news cycles in the west media would remind us every single 2nd about this fact that the investigation has to be conducted. but nevertheless, the legitimate call to discuss is the un security council forum. it's being raised by russia or other countries like
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china. somehow the, the us lead camp is bearing the, the topic under the ground. and it's not willing to, to move forward. so to any thinking person, the answer is very clear. and i think that although it's highly unlikely that the perpetrators will be brought to justice. after conducting this terrorist attack, i think that this will have a long gloves. the repercussions not only on the image of the united states and the west, most definitely germany as a sovereign country. but also, i think it might trigger a very convenient action
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strong. the countries which are not so willing to, to, to address. i mean to get away, oh, about the it's very, very simple to both. right. and andrea here. i mean, if, if these people that perpetrated or willing to lie about this, what else they'd lying about, that's the obvious line and of logical reasoning. people are going to have and then you, then there would be a whole reassessment of why there is this proxy war against russia and ukraine of all places here. that's why they can't. you know, the people that did this. they won't even answer questions. they won't even put themselves in a position a being asked the question, that's how bad is gotten, and that gives it gives it away but gives away the game. everyone knows how they won't answer questions about that. well, i guess we know who did it. anyway, i just wanted to start to program on that. we're obviously going to be following this, you know, why? because most no world wants to know why. okay. i, brian, i what, it's changing gears a little bit here. i mean, you know, i'm very worried at this stage of the conflict here because ukraine is essentially
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a spent forest. their propaganda efforts in the west are sputtering. there are too many questions arising about capacity to with ammunition, with men. and then you have this very weird mixture of crimea. you know, it, well, if you take part of take crimea back that we can have negotiations and then the u. s. says well though that's probably not going to happen. lease, not this year, not next year here. i mean, they seem, this is mean like a role roulette wheel to me. i mean, they're looking for their lucky number to try to move forward, but there is no lucky number. this is a, a dead end for the west are not going to win there and how, how they get out of it is anyone's question right now. and what i worry about is a false flag and things like that because that's the only thing that's going to make things up in our major way. brian. absolutely. and you just asked, what else will they? why about while they're lying about the status of this proxy war they're waging and
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you crate against russia and you're right, better absolutely, out of everything. and as a matter of fact, they're starting to admit that all across the western media, i'll be in a very incremental way. and it, it really is clear that this is all in a traditional war that russia was prepared for nato as not. and as we have seen many times in recent history, a desperate west, the very dangerous was a false flag, is one possibility. i think the temptation to either themselves or by picking a nother proxy perhaps poland, create some sort of buffer zone in western ukraine. and really tests that red line that russia has as established. it really is leading toward a very catastrophic direction and nowhere and fight as any talk of peace. yeah, i'm glad that brian brought that up. having a 3rd party enter that conflict on the ground, poland or
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a group of coalition of the willing is they like to call it here. that would be absolutely disastrous because i could guarantee you what the rest reaction would be . go ahead a real i mean, as bob, well, i agree with you guys. i mean, it's a very boring that even the people are starting entertaining, such construct peacekeepers sending peacekeepers. i mean, the, who will be involved in the peacekeeping missions of the troops, which are part of the nato, a member state. so they trying to work around a way how to in person involved nato without calling it a personal involvement. although everyone knows that the mercenaries and the logistic guys are already on the ground and, and helping them. i mean, it's outrageous, but we have to understand that it is not
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a proxy war only between the west and the russia. but what is here at stake? it is not here at stake. what popular western media is saying that it is war between democracy and talk prosy. it is a world re ordering a battle because the union for a moment is already gone and the west and the united states. no, it's very well. so they trying to somehow drive away to between russia and china. now we know that to morrow. and mr. emanuel mom, my chrome is traveling to china before we have the prime minister of spain going to china and also to live on delay and is trying to, will be trying to persuade, exceeding thing to, to, to somehow size with, with, with the west of the same time to meet with jimmy ski, but what is the purpose for aging thing to,
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to talk to the sky. i'm sorry to say, but on the puppet, i mean these being, you know, ridiculously power with money and the weaponry from, from the west without the west end and the money from, from the united states. this country would be a failed state, which is the factor already. well, i agree with having to have the conversation with someone who's being sponsor if someone is being sponsor you talking to the sponsor to the person who is being sponsored. does my, my lord be fine beyond my thinking? well, i'm sure the chinese are very well aware of that. ok. brian brought up the term piece people. what pieces are to be kept in ukraine? this is our willing in language. we like to play on. it's all the time. no, it will only add to the complex and it will escalate that conflict. and there is no,
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there's. there's no one knows where that could end if there was a direct or quasi nato intervention with troops. that would be utterly catastrophe . go ahead, brian. it would, and it all depends on russia, ends the u. s. proxy war against russia and ukraine. the conflict that the united states is trying to engineer with china has been entirely up to both moscow and beijing. busy to act in a mature and rational way to try to read the rex world affairs away from a direct confrontation. what the west, the west. just as what, just as what was just said about the unit polar moments being over there still desperately trying to reassert it. and as the window of opportunity close closes, they become more and more desperate in their thinking and in their actions. think about how dangerous the u. s. invasion and occupation of eastern syria was,
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and us troops, but you know, working past russian troops and how, how many close calls are, were already there. and now everything in ukraine is the stakes are so much higher . and that's exactly what we're going to talk to talk about when we return from our break. gentlemen, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the conflict. anyway, let's stay with archy. ah ah, some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities and other countries, the united states of america is different wherever people long to be free. they will find a friend in the united states ah,
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with a mighty bazy. so the city jaw. you look at the book, they incentives of each cigarette. a few color revolutions is one among several means to reach the goal of conquering foreign lands and bringing them onto the help of u. s. weston economic interest. people in sadie, i do that. that's what everybody did. democrats, yeah, during the training course. so no, we'd best say low their soft power. i'm a cap to the final goal of these thing. revolutions to ensure that there are no independent players in the world anymore. oh,
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a the welcome at the cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter a bell to remind you we're discussing the conflict and ukraine in the all right, now we're joined by another delay in moscow. he is a political consultant. i don't know before we went to the break, we're talking about the end of the unipolar moment and how that makes the world a very, very dangerous place. or no, everyone know it's a hedge of mine does not give up easily and they will fight into a corner and take as much doubt around them. it is necessary and this is what we're seeing right now. we started out the program talking about how the windows stream
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stroke stream pipeline destruction is the story that won't go away. and we see this all through that would be global south, while people having questions about the motives of western powers and their onslaught again struction, we should all point out as we mentioned in the 1st part of the program, china is involved in this here. and the message, i think the chinese fake is look, the russians are taking on the entire collective western world. and they're still standing. and that is something the global south china, india and other countries are observing here. and that's what makes this situation, this time in this conflict. so dangerous, go ahead. are no in moscow. well, you some that all. well, the $500.00, your gemini, of the west is coming to an end and him time the west attend to somewhat delay the inevitable. it seems that they get caught up in this quicksand phenomenon and now they're punished sheer panic. and we, she basically that the emperor as no grows. so we basically all
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for rational actors to be able to emerge out of this mess. but obviously the u. s. foreign policy is driven by ideological concerns. and this is where the danger lies. if you ask me, you know, we've had people like big boy and you'll and then all of it's federal travelers, eyes actually, you know, i mean, you treading the claim file for quite some years now and they are backing everything on bubbling down on the situation and this is way, gets dangerous now, because obviously the ship is licking from everywhere. africa is taking stock of it's all about unity within the ukraine for crime. china. now you're standing back then as you on the line of learning. you know, pretty much a meadow is
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a big dog. and so we have this kind of surreal session that, you know, we could all get a lot of devil and discuss things burying on security concerns for russia. and slowly, but surely, paving the road for more type of world. unfortunately, the people right now would draft the craft us flying policies are hell bent on making sure that the unit ball remains in doing show, the biggest mis reality, whether it's on the ground, whether it's the weather, it's about the power which not that long ago. when we think about it used to define the west, the west is increasingly being left out as an observer absorbed of its own minds while they, brian, i know, is absolutely right. the 1st part of his answer is absolutely spot on. is that the,
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the west is fighting an ideological conflict. the rest of the world is thinking about sovereignty, prosperity, even international law. and that's what's making this. so a symmetrical, and that's why the messaging in the media can confuse, quote unquote, the masses in the west. because they're being fed a pack of lies. i mean democracy versus versus a talk receipt. come on. i mean, this is such a ridiculous binary. ok? a lot of countries that are democracies and have wonderful relationships with asian . that's not the question that is in play here. but that is what western audiences are being fed and what, god forbid, quote unquote, democracy fail. so when you set it up this way, you're setting yourself up for failure. go ahead, brian. absolutely. and when you read the western media, they talk about an isolated russia finding support in every, in places like asia, africa, and south america, which is pretty much the entire planet, isn't it?
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except for the us in europe. they have this idea that they're isolating russia or isolating china, but in reality, they're isolating themselves. and it is because of this irrational, desperate necessity to reassert unipolar rhythm, which was irrational to begin with. and each day that goes by becomes more irrational. and these are people that are in power right now, who lacks the skill sets to actually invest in word in their own societies and create a constructive role for their nations within multi polar. it's on the unfortunately, it's going to be up to nations like china in russia to create the conditions on the ground that make this physically impossible for them to continue on with these conflicts. and this subversion that we see them sewing everywhere around the globe, is so brilliant, when you said about the internal problems of these countries here, actually it is really quite interesting. this is the same group of people that in the united states are going after donald from still again. i don't care if you like
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or dislike donald trump. it's not important here, but they're going after him. they're going after his supporters. ok. this mindset in this foreign policy mindset, it is annihilation of the enemy. there is no tolerance, it's all, it's all kind of a moral hygiene issue with them. we feed in foreign policy, we feed in domestic policy in the west, particularly the united states. go ahead in london and we have to bear in mind a few days ago, there was a summit for democracy organized by the united states. and many countries were not willing to to sign up on this. i mean, the final community was not signed by among many other countries by brazil and mexico. and it's quite astonishing because of my so my father is from east africa from turns on. yeah. and i'm quite familiar with the voices on the ground and i forgot which i'm not interested in any any, any,
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any war which is taking place on the european continent. last month on and march, i was in india for one month. and i had many conversations with my contemporaries and people involved in politics and also international affairs. i was saying that, you know, this is not very convincing that the west is trying to push people to be on board with them because the, the multi polo is much more convincing and, and it's getting much more opportunities to the people who have been receiving and all of that liberal international order, and we know how this liberal international order looks like, especially as we discussed at the very beginning of, of, of, of this show when it comes to an old stream pipelines. so the, the former world is neo colonial world. people who didn't have any say in the,
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in the pause now has before room in russia and in china where they can express legitimate concerns without being you know, bribe or. busy kills all. busy busy and they have an equal platform where they can, you know, participate with the countries on the equal footing. so i think that the european union and all of the collective was, doesn't understand the reality and, and they will, and much as a loser of the mob all the was, i'm not sure how they are going to come up with the new ideas, be more creative and how, how they are going to manage to, to, to live with other people and coexists in the world. but i think in the grandchild way, i think that before the new was older, will emerge. something very bad will happen,
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as many people are saying. and this is my greatest concern before we will see the light in the tunnel, the darkness will fall. yeah. unfortunately, with these people in power, the lights at the end of the tunnel is another train coming at you. ok? that's where we are right now. our no, let me, i didn't think that this the did democracy, someone was going to be brought up because it was so frivolous. but that is an interesting point here because the western definition is neal. liberal definition of democracy is actually a cudgel to maintain gemini, and that's, that's, this is a discursive trick that they're playing on. all of us here is that is, if you are appear not for democracy, that means you're against that. that means you're for a talk receipt, which is again, a ridiculous binary. nobody. nobody in the world really thinks that way. not even these mandarins in power in london, brussels in washington. go ahead here in moscow. yeah, i think you've pretty much something all love with it. it was almost like 2 ships
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passing by each other in the, in the heart of the nice. yeah. but i know all the what is shooting at the other? yes, britain, i'm sorry, keep going. but again, like i said, you know, was the new york gone? someone what i want to say that they do not reverse gear. that's what i meant on managing their vision. you know, this goes way back, you know, with one more our listeners with the, the documents. but 11 recalls the iraqi, she points all those people were promoted, they were never called into or out. and when the w n d, a reports due for a report in 2004 came out and it was pretty much made official that the original excuse or pretext for the siegel invasion was completely bombed.
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pretty much it's almost lost status. and so, you know, they might have been on the wilderness for years, but somehow managed to latch on on to the right party. and she's with the liberal, interventionist, and they find out the entire spectrum of us foreign policy and school way. this is pretty much just the tuition of where we are on this one of which find out what the board did. the doors from within and we just can't seem to get him out there and reassert was all over the train. so i would go when the last speaker said, you know, unfortunately i think, you know, i wish i was wrong on this, but to extend the multiple world is why is it it's so long term? have you try and we might still have a, an accident. and this is what, well, i think that's really the essence of this program. we all agree that there's
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a major shift that good parent demik shift going on here. can we get through it without destroying the world? that's the big question here. but there's a lot of people in power that will not tolerate a change in the status quo. and that's what makes it very dangerous gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my gets in bangkok, london, and here in moscow, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time, remember process. ah ah ah
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the english fleet began to seize and plunder chinese coastal forts. the poorly armed and morally drained chinese army was unable to provide adequate resistance. the jing empire was forced to hand hong kong over to england and open its boards for trading the lethal goods in 1856 and france, and the united states joined in the robbery of china. the anglo french troops defeated the chinese occupied beijing and committed an unprecedented robbery. destroyed and blundered, the wealth of the un mean you and palace the defeat of the jing dynasty and the do opium wars lead to the transformation of the celestial empire into a semi colony of european states and started its age of humiliation and the sale of opium took on colossal proportions and led to the horrible death of millions of ordinary chinese ah,
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ah, germany, thousands of demonstrators to mon, to stop supplying weapons to ukraine sanctions against russia have drastically reduced livingstone as for austrians. and they've taken to the streets of vienna. ah, check citizens at among in the government resign that the country withdraw from nato and the european union and begin to coach schafer on cheap russian gas. and this is a protest by italian bankers, a british being forced to give up the most basic things down to russian sanctions. europe is literally plunging into darkness. it's freezing.
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