of it's european competitor, so on one hands, mac hole needs some economic wins, but on the other, he reportedly wants to try to convince china to influence russia's actions in ukraine. it's not like europe or my coal could be bothered to influence washington's actions in ukraine in the interest of securing peace, though they just blindly followed washington's anti russian agenda even to their own economic detriment. but now they want to drag china into this whole mess, which it has managed so far to just side step in terms of any kind of involvement. mack who may try to turn on the grilled french charm during this visit. but with vander, line unto that's conway, showing up at a dinner party with someone who can't stop publicly bad mo thing you and your choice of friends are from being put off by the atrocious and illegal invasion of ukraine president,

she is maintaining his no limits, friendship with putting china has now turned the page on the area of reform and opening and is moving into a new era of security and control lever to europe's top unelected bureaucrats to substitute diplomacy for virtue. secondly, rhetoric, not sure how attacking someone before arriving on their doorstep is going to grease the skids for future cooperation. but china offered to help vander, line say, face replying, that she didn't even write the words that were coming out of her mouth. that speech contained are locals, misrepresentation. on the misinterpretation august i news policies. i'm the tiniest positions on the one side. she realizes that it is important for euro

and he does in the game custodial rogue who engage with china and other same time. he's also fearful off the criticism. yeah, it isn't. european leaders falls that they lack the backbone to withstand washington's pressure, to the detriment of europe's own interests. it's all like that's their actual job or anything. but making statements suggest that china knows that the rhetorical lunacy and skits of framing are coming from european official stems from the desire to keep washington on side on one hand, but also to maintain ties with china as even bonder line herself, concedes we need to focus on di risk, not decoupled. we must leave space for discussion on a more ambitious partnership, and on how we can make competition farrah and more disciplined. so for all the criticism level at china, the fact is that my coin bonder line are set to meet with various high level

chinese officials on this visit, including the chinese premier and the chairman of the chinese national legislature . so all the nasty rhetoric in the world really can't mask the fact that despite washington's anti china ambitions, beijing is still one of europe's top trading partners. and that's why we're seeing european leaders on these recent field trips to beijing during this economically challenging time for the block, which essentially results from their own unforced errors amid the conflict ukraine . that's a rep for the hour and coming up there is ample evidence. the key of regime is losing. where does the conflict stand and why is the stage of the conflict so dangerous? the discussion next on cross ok. thanks for joining us. they closed, ah

ah ah. hello and welcome to cross talk or all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, some of called the conflict in ukraine, a war patrician, others claim russia is pursuing its own strategy on its own time table. however, there is ample evidence to cab regime is losing and badly. and this is why this stage of the conflict is so dangerous, ah, cross sucking the conflict in ukraine. i'm joined by my guess brian electric in bangkok. he is a geo political analyst and a former us marine. and in london, we have drill consulting. he is the founder of aka consulting and

a foreign affairs analyst. are gentleman cross stock rules and the fact that music and jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, brian, let me go to you 1st before we talk about this critical stage in the conflict and ukraine. i couldn't help, but notice of the washington post is saying that european officials, i really want to avoid talking about nord stream to i mean if this is a situation that is not going to go away, the legacy media, the corporate media can ignore at all. it wants, but a lot of people are still very interesting. actually, the insurers in germany half that by law, they have to ask questions, what happened to their asset? this is not a story, it is going to go away. and the more they invent sidebar stories, the more hilarious and ridiculous that they, they actually are. go ahead, brian. i think it's a contributing factor to the, the overall deterioration of the west and its stature on the global stage. there was this massive attack that erst attack and

a major infrastructure project. and nobody's interested in who did it, which tells you actually everything you know about need to know about who actually did it. and then the fabrication of these stories that are so absurd, they're dismantled in 5 minutes, and then they come back with a revised edition. it, it's absurd to the point of amusement until you realize how much power and wealth these people still have in their hands. and how dangerous it is to have people with this mindset behaving in this matter. you know, i really, you know, it's almost this alternative story about these ro, ukrainian elements and possibly russians working with them. they can't let that feel. they just can't let that go. but it sounds like the s s amino gilligan's island, i mean that's the level of parity. they've gotten themselves to go ahead in london . oh, well, that's true. and i think that this shows how the west things that

people can, you know, keep on going with, with not asking questions of how the corporate media can somehow neg, kick the problem along the grass without giving the, um, the answers to the legitimate questions. i mean, um, if the russia would have been a perpetrator of all of this terrorist attack or on its own infrastructure, i'm pretty sure that the news cycles in the western media would remind us every single 2nd about this fact that the investigation has to be conducted but nevertheless, is the a legitimate recall to discuss this of the un security council forum, a being raised by russia on other countries like china. i somehow the, the, you, as a lead camp is bearing the, the, the, the,

the topic under the ground. and it's not willing to to, to move forward. so up to, to any thinking person. the answer is very clear. and i think that although it's highly unlikely that the perpetrators will be brought to justice. her mom, after conducting this terrorist attack, i think that this will have a long lasting repercussions. not only on the image of the united states and the west, most definitely, and germany as a sovereign country. but also i think that it might trigger a, a either. and very on convenience, a action strong, the countries which are not so willing to to, to oh, i mean to get away. oh, about the good. it's very,

very simple to both brian and andrew here. i mean, if, if these people that perpetrated or willing to lie about this, what else they lying about, that's the obvious line of logical reasoning. people are going to have and then you, then there would be a whole reassessment of why there is this proxy war against russia and ukraine of all places here. that's why they can't. you know, the people that did this. they won't even answer questions. they won't even put them in selves in a position a being asked the question, that's how bad it's gotten. and that gives it gives it away that gives away the game. everyone knows how they won't answer questions about that. well, i guess we know who did it anyway, i did. what does it start to program on that? well, obviously we're going to be following this. you know, why? because what, what's the world that wants to know? why? ok. hi brian. it's changing gears a little bit here. i mean, you know, i'm very worried at this stage of the conflict here because ukraine is essentially a spent forest. their propaganda efforts in the west are sputtering. there are too many questions arising about capacity to with ammunition, with men,

and then you have this very weird mixture of crimea. you know, it, well, if you take part of take crimea back that we can have negotiations and then the u. s. says well though that's probably not going to happen least not this year. not next year here. i mean, they seemed this is mean like a role roulette wheel to me. i mean they're looking for their lucky number to try to move forward. but there is no lucky number, this is a, a debt in for the west are not going to win there. and how, how they get out of it is anyone's question right now. and what i worry about is a false flag and things like that because that's the only thing that's going to make things up in our major way. brian. absolutely. and you just asked, what else will they? why about? well, they're lying about the status of this proxy, more of their waging, and you crate against russia and you're right, better absolutely, out of everything. and as a matter of fact, they're starting to admit that all across the western media, i'll be in

a very incremental way. and it, it really is clear that this is all in a traditional war that russia was prepared for nato as not. and as we have seen many times in recent history, a desperate west, the very dangerous was a false flag, is one possibility. i think the temptation to either themselves or by picking a nother proxy perhaps poland, create some sort of buffer zone in western ukraine. and really tests that red line that russia has as established. it really is leading toward a very catastrophic direction and nowhere and fight as any talk of piece. yeah, i'm glad that brian brought that up. having a 3rd party enter the complex on the ground, poland or a group of coalition of the willing is they like to call it here. that would be absolutely disastrous because i could guarantee what the rest reaction would be. go

ahead a real i mean as well, i agree with you guys. i mean, it's a very boring that even the people are starting entertaining, such construct peacekeepers sending peacekeepers. i mean the, who will be involved in the peacekeeping missions. obviously the troops, which are part of the nato, a member state, so they trying to work around a way how to in person involve nato, without calling it a personal involvement. although everyone knows that the mercenaries and the logistic guys are already on the ground and, and helping them. i mean, it's outrageous, but we have to understand that it is not a proxy war only between the west and the russia. but what is here at stake? it is not here at stake. what popular western media is saying that it is war

between democracy and talk prosy. it is a world re ordering a battle because the union for a moment is already gone and the west and the united states noticed very well. so they trying to somehow drive away to between russia and china. now we know that to morrow, mister micron is traveling to china before we have the prime minister of spain going to china and also to live on the lay and is trying to, will be trying to persuade, exceeding thing to, to somehow size with, with, with the west of the same time to meet with jimmy ski, but what is the purpose for aging thing to, to talk to the sky. i'm sorry to say it, but honestly, he's

a puppet. i mean, these being, you know, ridiculously pub with money and the weaponry from, from the west without the west end and the money from, from the united states. this country would be a failed state, which is the factor already. well, i agree with having to have the conversation with someone who's being sponsor if someone is being sponsor you talking to the sponsor, not to the person who has been sponsored. does my my minority be fine beyond my thinking? well, i'm sure the chinese are very well aware of that. okay. brian brought the term piece people. what pieces are to be kept in ukraine? he this is, this are willing in language they like to play on us all the time. no, it will only add to the complex and it will escalate that complex. and there is no there's. there's no one knows where that could end if there was a direct or quasi nato intervention with troops. that would be utterly catastrophe

. go ahead, brian. it would, and it all depends on russia, ends the u. s. proxy war against russia and ukraine and the conflicts that the united states is trying to engineer with china. there has been entirely up to both moscow and beijing. busy to act in a mature and rational way to try to read the rex world affairs away from a direct confrontation. what the west, the west just as well just as what was just said about the unit polar moments being over there still desperately trying to reassert it. and as the window of opportunity close closes, they become more and more desperate in their thinking and then their actions. think about how dangerous the u. s. invasion and occupation of eastern syria was, and us troops, but in, or, you know, working past russian troops and how,

how many close calls are, were already there. and now everything in ukraine is the stakes are so much higher . and that's exactly what we're going to talk to talk about when we return from our break gentle, and we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue. we're discussion on the conflict anyway. let's stay with archy. i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings except which said shorter is it conflict with the 1st law? show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence and the point obviously, is to create trust rather than fear

a very job with artificial intelligence, real summoning with obama protective own existence with oh, welcome at the cross talk, we're all things are considered. i'm peter bell, to remind you we're discussing the conflict and ukraine. right now we're joined by another delay he in moscow. he is a political consultant. i don't know it. well, before we went to the break, we're talking about the end of the unit polar moment and how that makes the world a very, very dangerous place. or no, everyone know is a hedge. amman does not give up easily and they will fight into a corner. and take as much down around them, it is necessary,

and this is what we're seeing right now. we started out the program talking about how the endured stream stroke stream pipeline destruction is a story that won't go away. and we see this all through the global southwell, people having questions about the motives of western powers and their onslaught against russia. we should all point out, as was mentioned in the 1st part of the program, china is involved in this here. and the message, i think the chinese sake is look, the russians are taking on the entire collective western world. and they're still standing. and that is something the global south china, india and other countries are observing here. and that's what makes this situation, this time in this conflict. so dangerous, go ahead. are now in moscow. well, you know, you some that all well, the $500.00 your gemini, of the west is coming to an end and him time the west attent to somewhat be lady, indivisible. it seems that big get caught up in this quicksand phenomenon and

punish sheer panic. and we, she basically that the emperor has no clothes. so we're basically all for rational actors to be able to emerge out of this mess. but obviously the u. s. foreign policy is driven by ideological concerns. and this is where the danger lies. if you ask me, you know, we've had people like me to annual and then all of its federal travelers, eyes actually, you know, i mean, is trading the claim file for quite some years now, and they are backing everything on bubbling down on the situation. and this is where it gets dangerous now, because obviously the ship is licking from everywhere. africa is taking stock of, it's all about unity within the ukraine for crime. china. now you're standing

back then as you on the line of learning. you know, pretty much a nato is a big dog. and so we have this kind of surreal session that, you know, we could all get a lot of devil and discuss things burying on security concerns for russia. and slowly, but surely, paving the road for more type of world. unfortunately, the people right now would draft the craft us flying policies are hell bent on making sure that the unit remains in doing show, the biggest mis reality, whether it's on the ground, whether it's whether it's about the soft power, which not that long ago. when we think about it used to define the west, the west is increasingly being left out as an observer,

apache absorber of its own. you might well they, brian, i don't know is absolutely right. the 1st part of his answer is absolutely spot on . is that the, the west is fighting an ideological conflict. the rest of the world is thinking about sovereignty, prosperity, even international law. and that's what's making this. so a symmetrical, and that's why the messaging in the media can confuse, quote unquote, the masses in the west. because they're being fed a pack of lies. i mean democracy. burke is versus a talk receipt. come on. i mean, this is such a ridiculous binary. ok? a lot of countries that are democracies and have wonderful relationships with asian . that's not the question that is in play. here, but that is what western audiences are being fed and what, god forbid, quote unquote, democracy fail. so when you set it up this way, you're setting yourself up for failure. go ahead. bright. absolutely. and when you read the western media, they talk about an isolated russia finding support in every,

in places like asia, africa, and south america, which is pretty much the entire planet, isn't it? except for the us in europe. they have this idea that they're isolating russia or isolating china, but in reality, they're isolating themselves. and it is because of this irrational, desperate necessity to reassert unit polarization, which was irrational to begin with. and each day that goes by, it becomes more irrational. and these are people that are in power right now, who lack the skill sets to actually invest in word in their own societies and create a constructive role for their nations within multi polar at some. unfortunately, it's going to be up to nations like china in russia to create the conditions on the ground that make this physically impossible for them to continue on with these conflicts. and this subversion that we see them sewing everywhere around the globe, is so brilliant,

what you said about the internal problems of these countries here. actually, it is really quite interesting. this is the same group of people that in the united states are going after donald from still again. i don't care if you like or dislike that from. it's not important here, but they're going after him. they're going after his supporters. ok. this mindset in this foreign policy mindset, it is annihilation of the enemy. there is no tolerance, it's all, it's all kind of a moral hygiene issue with them. we feed in foreign policy, we see it in domestic policy in the west, particularly the united states. go ahead in london. and we have to bear in mind a few days ago. there was a summit for democracy organized by the united states. and many countries were not willing to to sign up on this. i mean, the final community was not signed by among many other countries by brazil, and mexico. and it's quite astonishing because of my so my father is from east

africa from vanya. and i'm quite familiar with the voices on the ground and i forgot which i'm not interested in any any, any, any war which is taking place on the european continent. last month on and march, i was in india for one month. and i had many conversations with my contemporaries and people involved in politics and also international affairs. i was saying that, you know, this is not very convincing that the west is trying to push people to be on board with them because the, the multi polo is much more convincing and, and it's giving much more opportunities to the people who have been receiving and all of that liberal international order, and we know how this liberal international order looks like, especially as we discussed at the very beginning of, of, of, of this show when it comes to an old stream pipelines. so the,

the former world is neo colonial world. people who didn't have any say in the, in the past now has before room in russia and in china where they can express that legitimate concerns without being you know, bribe or. busy kills all. busy busy and they have an equal platform where they can, you know, dissipate with the countries on equal footing. so i think the european union, or the collective was, doesn't understand the reality and, and, and they will and much as a loser of the multi ball a was, i'm not sure how they are going to come up with the new ideas, be more creative and how how they are going to manage to, to, to live with other people and coy,

exists in the world. but i think in the grandchild way, i think that before the new was older, will emerge. something very bad will happen, as many people are saying. and this is my greatest concern before we will see the light in the tunnel, the darkness will fall. yeah. unfortunately, with these people in power, the lights at the end of the tunnel is another train coming at you. ok? that's where we are right now. our no, let me, i didn't think that this the, the democracy, someone was going to be brought up because it was so frivolous. but it is an interesting point here because the western definition is neo liberal definition of democracy is actually a cudgel to maintain gemini, and that's, that's, this is a discursive trick that they're playing on. all of us here is that if, if you are appear not for democracy, that means you're against that. that means you're a poor, a top procedure, which is again, a ridiculous binary. nobody, nobody in the world really thinks that way. not even these mandarins in power in

london, brussels in washington. go ahead here in moscow. yeah, i think you pretty much something we're dealing with almost like 2 ships passing by each other in the in the heart of the night. yeah. but i don't know all the what is shooting at the other britain? i'm sorry, keep going. but again, like i said, you know, was the neal gone? someone wants to say that they do not reverse gears. basically l bands on demand thing, their vision. you know, this goes way back. you know what? we want more our listeners with the the documents, but when one recalls the iraqi, she warns all those people were promoted, they were never called in to get out. and when the w n b, a report due for a report in 2004 came out. and it was pretty much made official that the original

excuse or pretext for the siegel invasion was completely debunked. they pretty much almost lost daughters. and so they might have been on the wilderness was hugh years, but somehow managed to latch on on to the grad party. and she's with the liberal, interventionist, and they find out the entire spectrum of us foreign policy and school way. this is pretty much a situation where we are on this one. we're trying to find the they're both did the doors from within and we just can't seem to get him out there and reassert was all over the train. so i would go when the last speaker said, you know, unfortunately i think, you know, i wish i was wrong on this, but to the extend, the multiple, the world is why is it it's so long term?

have you try and we might still have a, an accident, and this is what, well, i think that's really the essence of this program. we all agree that there's a major shift, a pair of demick shift going on here. can we get through it without destroying the world? that's the big question here. but there's a lot of people in power that will not tolerate a change in the status quo. and that's what makes it. they're very dangerous gentlemen. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess in bangkok, london, and here in moscow, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time, remember? ah ah, ah ah

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