saudi, so you know, talking 70 plus years of united states really telling the saudis what to do and all of a sudden it seems that the opec is now operating much more autonomy. let me, thanks for joining us. hey, on our t international plenty more on the latest updates we found on our website r t dot com. thank you for choosing auto international with ah ah hello and welcome to cross stock or all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle.

some of called the conflict in ukraine, a war patrician, others claim russia is pursuing its own strategy on its own time table. however, there is ample evidence to cab. regime is losing and badly. and this is why this stage of the conflict is so dangerous. ah, crow, sucking the conflict in ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, bryan berlin, ticket in bangkok he is a jew political analyst and a former us marine. and in london we have, i drill, consult a he is the founder of aka consulting and a foreign affairs analyst, or gentleman cross talk rules and the fact that music and jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, bryan, let me go to you 1st before we talk about this critical stage in the conflict and ukraine. i couldn't help but notice of the washington post as a saying that the european officials, i really want to avoid talking about nord stream to i mean, if this is a situation that is not going to away the legacy media,

the corporate media can ignore it all at once, but a lot of people are still very interesting. actually the insurers in germany have but by law they have to ask questions, what happened to their asset? this is not a story, it's going to go away and the more they invent sidebar stories, the more hilarious and ridiculous that they actually are. go ahead, brian. i think it's a contributing factor to the, the overall deterioration of the west. and it's stature on the global stage. there was this massive attack at erst attack and a major infrastructure project. and nobody's interested in who did it, which tells you actually everything you know about need to know about who actually did it. and then the fabrication of these stories that are so absurd, they're dismantled in 5 minutes, and then they come back with a revised edition. it, it's absurd to the point of amusement until you realize how much power and wealth

these people still have in their hands. and how dangerous it is that people with this mindset behaving in this matter, you know, i really, you know, it's almost this alternative story about these ro, ukrainian elements. so possibly russians working with them, they can't let that feel. they just can't let that go. but it sounds like the s s a minnow, it's gilligan's island. i mean, that's the level of parity. they've gotten themselves to go ahead in london. well, that's true. i think this shows how the west things that people can, you know, keep on going with, with not asking questions of how the corporate media can somehow neg kick the problem along the grass without giving the, the answers to the legitimate questions. i mean, if the russia would have been a perpetrator of, of, of,

of this terrorism on its own infrastructure. i'm pretty sure that the news cycles in the western media would remind us every single 2nd about this fact that the investigation has to be conducted. but nevertheless, is the legitimate nicole to discuss this, the un security council forum being raised by russia. all other countries like china, somehow the, the us lead camp is bearing the, the topic under the ground. and it's not willing to, to, to move forward. so to any thinking person, the answer is very clear, and i think that although it's highly unlikely, the perpetrators will be brought to justice. after conducting this terrorist

attack, i think that this will have a long gloves, repercussions not only on the image of the united states and the west, most definitely germany as a suffering country. but also, i think it might trigger a very convenient action strong. the countries which i'm not so willing to to, to oh, i mean to get away. oh, about the good. it's very, very simple to both brian and andrew here. i mean, if, if these people that perpetrated or willing to lie about this, what else they lying about, that's the obvious line and of logical reasoning. people are going to have and then you, then they will send l y. ok. hi brian. it's changing gears a little bit here. i mean, i'm very worried at this stage of the conflict here because ukraine is essentially

a spent forest. their propaganda efforts in the west are sputtering. there are too many questions arising about capacity to with ammunition, with men, and then you have this very weird mixture of crimea. you know, it, well, if you take part of take crimea back that we can have negotiations and then the u. s. says well though that's probably not going to happen least not this year. not next year here. i mean, they seemed this is mean like a role roulette wheel to me. i mean they're looking for their lucky number to try to move forward. but there is no lucky number, this is a, a dead end for the western not going to win there and how, how they get out of it is anyone's question right now. and what i worry about is a false flag and things like that because that's the only thing that's going to make things up in our major way. brian. absolutely. and you just asked, what else will they? why about? well, they're lying about the status of this proxy bore their waging and you crate against

russia and you're right, better absolutely, out of everything. and as a matter of fact, they're starting to admit that all across the western media, i'll be in a very incremental way. and it, it really is clear that this is all in a traditional war that russia was prepared for nato as not. and as we have seen many times in recent history, a desperate west, the very dangerous was a false flag, is one possibility. i think the temptation to either themselves or by picking a nother proxy, perhaps poland, create some sort of buffer zone in western ukraine and really tasks that red line that russia has as established. it really is leading toward a very catastrophic direction and nowhere and fight as any talk of piece. yeah, i'm glad that brian brought that up. having a 3rd party enter the conflict on the ground. poland or

a group of coalition of the willing is they like to call it here. that would be absolutely disastrous because i could guarantee you what the rest reaction would be . go ahead a ro, i mean this, well, i agree with you guys. i mean, it's a very boring that even the people are starting entertaining, such construct peacekeepers sending peacekeepers. i mean, the, who will be involved in the peacekeeping missions, obviously the troops which are part of the nato, a member state. so they trying to work around a way how to in person involve nato without calling it a personal involvement. although everyone knows that the mercenaries and the logistic guides are already on the ground and, and helping them. i mean, it's outrageous, but we have to understand that it is not a proxy war only between the west and the russia. but what is here at stake?

it is not here at stake. what popular western media is saying that it is war between democracy and talk prosy. it is a world re ordering a battle because the union for a moment is already gone and the west and the united states no does very well. so they trying to somehow drive away to between russia and china. now we know that to morrow. and mr. emanuel, mom, my chrome is traveling to china before we have the prime minister of spain going to china. and also we're still on delay and it's trying to will be trying to persuade, exceeding think to, to somehow size with, with, with the west of the same time to meet with jimmy ski. but what is the purpose for

aging thing to, to talk to jenny sky, i'm sorry to say it, but honestly, the puppet, i mean these being, you know, ridiculously power with money and the weaponry from, from the west without the west end and the money from, from the united states, this country would be a failed state, which is the factor already. well, i agree with having to have the conversation with someone who's being sponsored. if someone is being sponsor you talking to the sponsor, not to the person who has been sponsored. that's my mind, minority be fine beyond my thinking. well, i'm sure the chinese are very well aware of that. ok. brian brought the term piece people. what pieces are to be kept in ukraine? this is, this are willing in language. we like to play on and solid. no, it will only add to the complex and it will escalate that conflict. and there is no,

there's, there's no one knows where that could end if there was a direct or quasi nato intervention with troops. that would be utterly catastrophe . go ahead, brian. it would, and it all depends on russia and the u. s. proxy war against russia and ukraine and the conflict that the united states is trying to engineer with china. that has been entirely up to both moscow and beijing to act in a mature and rational way to try to read the wrecked world affairs away from a direct confrontation with the west, the west just as well, just as what was just said about the uno polar moments being over there still desperately trying to reassert it. and as the window of opportunity close closes, they become more and more desperate in their thinking and then their actions. think about how dangerous the u. s. invasion and occupation of eastern syria was,

and us troops, but in, you know, working past russian troops and how, how many close calls are, were already there. and now everything in ukraine is the stakes are so much higher . and that's exactly what we're going to talk to talk about when we return from our break dental, and we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the conflict anyway. let's stay with ah ah

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was able to escape the responsibility due to the interference of the american administration with the welcome at the cross talk, where all things are considered. i'm peter a bell to remind you we're discussing the conflict and ukraine in the all right, now we're joined by another delay in moscow. he is a political consultant. i don't know. before we went to the break, we're talking about the end of the unipolar moment and how that makes the world a very, very dangerous place. or no, everyone know it's

a hedge of mine does not give up easily and they will fight into a corner and take as much doubt around them. it is necessary and this is what we're seeing right now. we started out the program talking about how the windows stream stroke stream pipeline destruction is a story that won't go away. and we see this all through that would be global south, while people having questions about the motives of western powers and their onslaught again struction, we should all point out as we mentioned in the 1st part of the program, china is involved in this here. and the message, i think the chinese fake is look, the russians are taking on the entire collective western world. and they're still standing. and that is something the global south china, india and other countries are observing here. and that's what makes this situation, this time in this conflict. so dangerous, go ahead. are no in moscow. well, you know, you some, that all. well, the $500.00, your gemini of the west is coming to an end and him time the west attend to

somewhat delay the inevitable. it seems that they get caught up in this quicksand phenomenon and now they're a panic sheer panic. and we, she basically that the emperor has no clothes. so we basically all for rational actors to be able to emerge out of this mess. but obviously the u. s. foreign policy is driven by ideological concerns. and this is where the danger lies. if you guys me, you know, we've had people like big boy and you'll and then all of it's federal travelers, eyes actually, you know, i mean, you treading the claim file for quite some years now and they are backing everything on bubbling down on the situation and this is where it gets dangerous now because obviously the ship is licking on everywhere. africa is taking stock of,

it's all about unity within the ukraine. fulcrum. china, now you're standing back then as you on the line of learning. you know, pretty much a meadow is a big dog. and so we have this kind of surreal session that, you know, we could all get a lot of devil and discuss things burying on security concerns for russia. and slowly but surely, paving the road for more. dipole, the world. unfortunately, the people right now rushed across us, flying policies are hell bent on making sure that the unit ball remains in doing show, the biggest mis reality, whether it's on the ground, whether it's the weather, it's about the power which not that long ago. when we think about it used to define

the west, the west is increasingly being left out as an observer, best people absorb its own minds. well they, brian, i know is absolutely right. the 1st part of his answer is absolutely spot on. is that the, the west is fighting an ideological conflict. the rest of the world is thinking about sovereignty, prosperity, even international law. and that's what's making this. so a symmetrical, and that's why the messaging in the media can confuse, quote unquote, the masses in the west. because they're being fed a pack of lies, i mean democracy versus versus a talk receipt. come on. i mean, this is such a ridiculous binary. ok? a lot of countries that are democracies and have wonderful relationships with beige . and that's not the question that is in play. here, but that is what western audiences are being fed and what, god forbid, quote unquote, democracy fail. so when you set it up this way, you're setting yourself up for failure. go ahead, brian. absolutely. and when you read the western media,

they talk about an isolated russia finding support in every, in places like asia, africa, and south america, which is pretty much the entire planet, isn't it? except for the us in europe. they have this idea that they're isolating russia or isolating china, but in reality, they're isolating themselves. and it is because of this irrational, desperate necessity to reassert unit polarization, which was irrational to begin with. and each day that goes by, it becomes more irrational. and these are people that are in power right now, who lacks the skill sets to actually invest in word in their own societies and create a constructive role for their nations within multi polar at some. unfortunately, it's going to be up to nations like china in russia to create the conditions on the ground that make this physically impossible for them to continue on with these

conflicts. and this is some version that we see them sewing everywhere around the globe is so brilliant when you said about the internal problems of these countries here, actually it is really quite interesting. this is the same group of people that in the united states are going after donald from still again. i don't care if you like or dislike donald trump. it's not important here, but they're going after him. they're going after his supporters. ok. this mindset in this foreign policy mindset, it is annihilation of the enemy. there is no tolerance, it's all, it's all kind of a moral hygiene issue with them. we feed in foreign policy, we see it in domestic policy in the west, particularly the united states. go ahead in london. and we have to bear in mind a few days ago. there was a summit for democracy organized by the united states. and many countries were not willing to to sign up on this. i mean, the final community was not signed by among many other countries by brazil and

mexico. and it's quite astonishing because of my so my father's from east africa is from tons, anya, and i'm quite familiar with the voices on the ground and i forgot which i'm not interested in any, any, any, any war which is taking place on the european continent. last month on and march, i was in india for one month and i had many conversations with my contemporaries and people involved in politics and also international affairs. i was saying that, you know, this is not very convincing that the west is trying to push people to be on board with them because the, the multi polo is much more convincing and, and it's getting much more opportunities to the people who have been receiving and all of that liberal international order, and we know how this liberal international order looks like,

especially as we discussed at the very beginning of, of, of, of this show when it comes to an old stream, pipelines. so the, the formula is neo colonial world. people who didn't have any say in the, in the pause now has before room in russia and in china where they can express legitimate concerns without being you know, bribe or. busy kills. busy oh, and they have an equal platform where they can, you know, to be with the countries on equal footing. so, i think the european union or the collective was, doesn't understand the reality and, and they will much as a loser of the multi ball. i'm not sure how they are going to come up with the new ideas, be more creative and how, how they are going to manage to, to,

to live with other people and co exist in the world. but i think in the grandchild way, i think that before the new world order will emerge, something very bad will happen, as many people are saying, and this is my great systems. before we will see the light in the tunnel, the darkness will fall. yeah. unfortunately, with these people in power, the lights at the end of the tunnel is another train coming at you. ok? that's where we are right now. our no, let me. i didn't think that this the, the democracy, someone was going to be brought up because it was so frivolous. but that is an interesting point here. because the western definition, this neo liberal definition of democracy is actually a cudgel to maintain gemini. that's, that's, this is a discursive trick that they're playing on all of us here. is that if, if you are not for democracy, that means you're against that. that means you're for a talk procedure,

which is again ridiculous binary. nobody, nobody in the world really thinks that way. not even these mandarins in power in london, brussels in washington. go ahead here in moscow. yeah, i think you've pretty much something all love. we're dealing with almost like 2 ships passing by each other in the, in the heart of the nice. yeah. but i know all me what is shooting at the other? yes. i'm sorry, keep going. but again, like i say, you know, was the new york gone? someone has. busy wants to say that they do not reverse gears l bands on implementing their vision. you know, this goes way back, you know, with we will move our listeners with the, the documents. but when one recalls the iraqi, she points all those people were promoted, they were never called into or out. and when the w n d reports do for

a report in 2004 came out. and it was pretty much made official, that the original excuse or pretext for the siegel invasion was completely debunked. pretty much it's almost lost daughters. and so, you know, there might have been on the wilderness was you years, but somehow managed to latch on onto the grading party and she's with the liberal intervention. and they, by now the spectrum of u. s. foreign policy and school way. this is pretty much situational. where we are on this one, we're trying to find the boarded the doors from within and we just can't seem to get him out there and reassert was all over the train. so i would go when the last speaker said, you know, unfortunately i think, you know, i wish i was wrong on this,

but to extend the multiple world is why is it it's so long term? have you try and we might still have a, an accident. and this is what, well, i think that's really the essence of this program. we all agree that there's a major shift, a pair of demick shift going on here. can we get through it without destroying the world? that's the big question here. but there's a lot of people in power that will not tolerate a change in the status quo. and that's what makes it very dangerous gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest in bangkok, london, and here in moscow, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time, remember rostock rules. mm hm. ah

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