tv Cross Talk RT April 7, 2023 10:30pm-10:50pm EDT
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apparatus of the state appears to be aligned against trump. can the rule of law survive this legal odyssey? cross fucking trump. i'm joined by my guess, lionel and new york. he is a legal and media analyst, also new york. we have margaret kimberly. she is executive editor of black agenda report and in boston we crossed the sabrina solve out the she is host of saudi saps podcast and co host of revolutionary blackout network across acros in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate lytle, you're the lawyer here. um, let me explain to us if this whole gambit against trump is actually going to work. i really don't wanna waste valuable time about talking about the veracity of the charges against him. even his most arden critics find them to be very, very weak. so what is the big picture? what is happening here? lionel? the big picture is he is looking at a total of 6 separate cases,
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both criminal and civil this manhattan case is that $34.00 accounts of felonies. that's the 1st of a series. let me just say something right now irrespective of you said of whether he was a good president of what you lie, trump, or not anybody who thinks that the colloquy or the couch group on fox news is going to somehow change the reality of the radical. but case of this is a waste of time. these cases are as species as they may seem to some absolutely valid for the most part. there is a 99 percent chance that none of these will be dismissed prior to trial, and a 99 percent chance that he could very well be convicted by a jury of his cool peers. very quickly, no democratic appointed judge of any future aspiration would ever be responsible for or dismissing
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a case prior to trial. and can you imagine being a juror in manhattan that voted 80 percent against trump is going to be the, the talk of her or his neighborhood by say i was the lone hold out who voted to quit trump show. could he get a fair trial here? absolutely. not if fairness means looking at the facts of the case irrespective of the defendant. well that's the point margaret, and so it's not about having justice is not having a fair trial. it's the outcome that they want. and again, you can love or hate donald trump, that's not the point here. but that seems to be, it seems to me that his constitutional rights are being grossly violated. because if he can't get a fair trial than what's the point of justice, go ahead margaret. well it's, ah, the thing that we should up know here is this is how, what prosecutors do all the time. they have discretion. they don't have to charge people, they make decisions all the time,
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whether to charge or not. and if this is how they operate is what are the reasons they're 2000000000 people in jail in this country because everything is stacked against them. i see no reason why he ought to be charged with the crime that of a, in my opinion, a minor offense that took place before he took office that has nothing to do with the office of the presidency. he was trying to hide his personal affairs from the public and of the financial affairs in yes, in new york state. if you falsify business records, you can be charged with that. but again, prosecutors have discretion. this is an effort to try to get rid of trump altogether. and the way to get rid of trump or democrats, is to serve the people to do what they say they're going to do. and if they did that, they wouldn't have to worry about a former president who created many of his own problems himself. but this just
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shows you how bankrupt our political system is. and it shows you how cynical and i believe frankly, how stupid they are in using this case to get rid of someone who they could get rid of by doing their jobs. yeah. sabrina, they the, on the, on the face of it again, you know, i'm, i'm not a lawyer here, but looking at these charges here they've, they seemed so frivolous to me is basically a bookkeeping errors. okay. and that's discretionary as well. and of course, it never happened to anyone else in the history of a building. i mean, it seems so absurd here. but when lionel is absolutely right, and i think this is what's really dangerous is that you could have the most frivolous case brought to trial and it's going to just go through. i like a factory. you know, the jury says guilty, okay. and then they have the sentencing and all that. it has nothing to do with the merits of the case. and if they can do it to donald trump again, you don't have to like them than what's stopping them to do it to the rest of us.
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go ahead in boston. well, said i, i believe this is a 100 percent politically motivated. they're just trying to prevent donald trump from running in 2024. i feel like this is really more of a distraction. i feel like a lot of the focus on donald trump, in this case, in particular. and a lot of the that the media coverage of this is just to distract the american people from the real problems that we have in this country right now. there is no consistency in reference to the law. i don't see them trying to prosecute other millionaires or billionaires for having bad business dealings. the focus is on donald trump to prevent him from running in 2024 and rather people like him or not . you have to ask yourself, is this fair? so as long as we are distracted by donald trump, in this particular case, the american people will continue to be divided. and we're not focused on the class issue that we have in this country. and the fact that a lot of these billionaires are exploiting the working class. so as long as we are politically divided,
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we will never come together for any type of class movement in this country. well, don't never mention class, that'll get you in a lot of trouble. i get in trouble all the time for talking about it again. conservatives are not supposed dog about glass. well, yes we are. we're supposed to do that. i'm glad you said a little about a month ago before on all the leaks about a potential undying meant and all that. trump was there, you know, he was making on the stumpy was talking to people getting his campaign together. but he was in front and center now he's going to be front and center for the next 18 months. at least, this isn't powered him immensely. and think of all of the free media time he gets. do the democrats know what they're doing, lionel? well, the answer to that is no, but i, i beg to differ it. now this is, this is the political argument on okay, i go, i beg to differ. when somehow this, it is going to empower him that people who are writing defense, those who were, who were not sure about him, those who were currently in
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a really undecided now by virtue of seeing this avalanche of injustice will somehow be lulled and pulled into the drum camps, that's balderdash. that's absolute. buncombe, but what's happening right now is you're somebody which is more interesting. the, the electorate here has a sense of habituation. we'd been hit for so long that we're numb. we had to and to an impeachment, we have a total of 6 cases. people aren't, are sure about whether it's criminal or this, or is new york or ops there it's, it's coming out of a part of the seemed. let me explain to me very quickly. this particular d a, this is the irony of this, this is the, the, the message is that he has a sorrows funded a progressive prosecutor. one of many, there is something called critical legal studies. and this is the pre cursor to critical race theory and listen to this irony. this prosecutor has basically declassified and,
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and lowered like 40 percent of all felonies to misdemeanors under this theory. yet this restorative justice bringing people together as chewing the notion of class differences in the criminal justice system. let burglars and armed robbers go. let's try to find a new way to deal with this. yet when it comes to trump, the most pump telly is stats steadiest, nit picking these. the statutes used not necessarily because of a business records statue, but to show that he did this in order to cover up a crime that the prosecutor has yet to define. well, i really, i'm glad you said that line because we don't know what the crime is that since this, how absurd this is. margaret line brings up a really good idea. i don't think there are there any fence sitters in american politics when it comes to donald trump? everybody's decided one way or another. okay. and that's a long time ago. ok. but what it does is it doesn't talk. we don't talk about the
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political issues that are important to everyone here. this sabrina, put it, this is that the most absurd sideshow and it, and it doesn't, it doesn't hold the feet to the 2 other candidates, particularly democrats, you know, what they stand for. okay. and this is the absurdity of it all. it's such a disservice to the entire electorate. margaret. oh, it is, you know, let's look at what's happening in the world. uh, the world is moving away from the dollar. the dollar is for now the world reserve currency, but it's not going to be in a few years. and that's entirely because of the amateurish biden's foreign policy regarding ukraine in their foolish, ah, thinking they can contain rush or diminish china or whatever. but this is going to impact ordinary people out. we had the, the coven era, a safety net disappearing, people who were already low income losing snap benefits. now, medicaid enrollments are going to be impacting millions of people,
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and no one is talking about it. i unemployment inflation, all of these things that have a direct impact on people's lives are not being addressed by our political system. and that's exactly why they this case has been elevated by the corporate media who are mouth pieces for the establishment in this country. ah, and we see this doug, this effort to elevate trump in order to destroy him in order to distract people from the things that democrats don't address either. and is, as i said before, if they did, if the democrats were as advertised, they wouldn't have to worry about donald trump or de santis or anyone else. and that is where we are today with the public that is either low to sleep or propagandized in any number of ways and why it's not what they do is what it's sabrina, what they're doing. they want the,
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the electric to be angry. that's all they want to be angry about something, but that doesn't solve any problems. go ahead spring before we go to the break. this is true. i don't think this is actually going to hurt trump in a sense of the public's i think that this is actually helping donald trump. some people are looking at him now was like a modern figure of sorts. they're like, he is the ultimate victim now. so i don't think this is doing what the democratic party thought it was going to do. donald trump right now has moved ahead of ron de santis in the post, even though rhonda scientist has not formally and now to seems to be heading in that direction. and while a lot of people are focused on this situation with donald trump, robert f kennedy junior just filed the paperwork with the f, b c to primary challenge joe biden. and so it's taking your attention away from things like that. so i think people need to understand that sometimes bad press can actually be good. well, god donald comment, donald trump is a master at that. we're gonna, i'm gonna go and jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on donald trump sate with
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monday we're discussing donald trump. okay, let's go back to lydell in new york. i know that there's always business fear of election meddling from outsiders. we went to 3, almost 4 years of brush russia, russia, russia, gate with hoax. and now we have another one here. i mean, this is, this is the ultimate form of election meddling interference here. they're trying to determine the nominee for the g o p. now you don't have to like the g o p or not. but shouldn't the people decide who the nominee is not? not the corporate media and, and in even the establishment. republicans, that by the way, have not stood up for donald trump at all. go ahead, lionel. what is it that things that donald trump could do? what she's not doing is to we mind folks of this one of the think all the constitution and an interesting quote,
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which has always been attributed to mr. barea during the dis, dollars. jean, who's said something to the effect, i believe, to paraphrase, show me a man and i'll show you the crime. what he is the victim of right now is the most an american example of target prosecution. this is instead of the law enforcement individuals waiting to have someone come to them that has victim i, somebody else they go looking for somebody. so isn't it ironic in this russo phobic kremlin baiting world that we live in right now? we're, we're always pointing to this, this, this horrible people still use the word soviet, even though that's anachronistic, yet here we are. in the case of a former president, and i don't wanna bring up the term, banana republic, but just think about this. and this is the $1000000.00 question. and i ask all my friends, if donald trump were not possibly running in 2024, if that was somehow off the table, would he be prosecuted for anything?
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and the answer is no. and therein lies the reality of this. a margaret, you know, one of the interesting things that come about from this is a media ratings. have you noticed how cnn and m. s embassy actually have an audience? again, i mean, they're going to repeat this entire circus again. the cynicism just, there's no bounds for this. been the level of cynicism that these people have. and so what they do is, as it's sabrina, is pointed out, it's so many problems social problems that we're facing. and now we're going to have another 18 month soap opera here and, and cnn and m s m b, c bay are so happy. donald trump is back there. bread take it is back. that cynical . go ahead, margaret. oh, it's very cynical and i'm glad you pointed out the issue of election interference, which american presidents do routinely truck did it in venezuela and the overturn what people there had chosen. although these crimes that american presidents commit, which truly are crimes, invading iraq bush or destroyed libya, obama or
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a trump targeting venezuela. those are acceptable and those are things that they will never be touched for never be called to account for. are the worst crimes presidents can commit, but donald trump has committed, in my opinion here, assuming these charges are true, minor offenses, but that's what he's called to account for. and the, the way the us acts around the world bullying other countries threatening other countries. proxy wars, sanctions, all the coups, all sorts of things. nobody ever talks about. it's entirely acceptable to the political class. these projects are always bipartisan, but here in this country that we see elect, this is election interference. but even as we point that out, we should say that this is what trump and other presidents have done,
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but it's something that's never address. yeah. is sabrina, sabrina. one of the interesting things to come out of this here is it, it seems to me that the establishment, both republican and democrat, okay. and they want to see trump supporters react, they want another january, 6, they want violence, they want the pictures, they, they want this narrative here because what they, what, what they want to do is i know they want to cancel trump, but trump isn't a cudgel for them to cancel his supporters and i think that's part of the plan here . i think that's why they're going to spread the, his good trumps back according december or something like that. that's so they want to spread this out. they have a much more elaborate game to play here because they're not just going after their truck trump, they're going, they're going after his supporters. correct. and the media actually is committing election interference here i, we did see during our donald trump's response to these allegations that he was cut off during the m s. m, b c ah, premier of this of the speech here. they actually,
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we cut away from his speech a while he was talking once he started to criticize the biden presidency in rather you like what trump has to say or not to me that was election interference because they knew that he was calling out a jo biden's issues in fault since he's been in office and they didn't want the audience to hear that. but we live in a country where the dnc has argued in court that they can hand pick politicians in the back of, of a room a we live in a country that has meddled in other countries. elections where they have chosen political leaders like the ones in haiti.
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