ah, ah, bruise goos should especially come as no surprise to anyone, as it's had 5 presidents in the past 6 years. think about that. as you watch hundreds and hundreds of people who are either killed or injured is thousands upon thousands of people take to the streets, protesting and rioting. and in this case, demanding that their president, a guy, interestingly enough that they really identify with be put back in office, they say the violence and the clashes with the military have forced 5 different airports to shut down all over the country. even much you beat you might you beat you one of the most visited archaeological sites in the entire world. unbelievable place, by the way, shut down,

people can't get there. a state of emergency has been declared all of this in a country which has seen this type of thing occur over and over again. in fact, peru seems to be setting records for political instability. it seems like no president can stay in office. but and here's the question, is that of its own doing? we're going to explore that. so what's the news with this sir? the slightest case? well, it's about the guy who's in the center of the store and let me tell you his name. his name is pedro castillo, and you know what? he's different. i mean, this guy's really different. castillo is the closest thing to a true peruvian than there has ever been. he grew up poor. i mean, this guy grew up really poor. he was a school teacher. he was raised didn't literally

a mud hut and this guy goes on to become the president of a country where that usually doesn't happen. why? well, i'll tell you what. because the business class in peru usually gets one of their own in the presidential palace. you know, the folks in lima, the money class, and more often than not, they do so with the help of our country, the united states of america. that's right. the u. s. has a long history of electing. i'm going to use this word because in many cases it's the truth, puppets, puppets, in latin america, and places like peru, in fact, peru has been one of the places where it's a given that the guy or the gal elected is going to be, let's just say beholden the washington casteel it appears was not now is that the reason that he was removed?

or is it because he was legitimately corrupt? yes. left. these can be just as corrupt. righties can be corrupt as anyone else. right. so he's accused of taking money from contractors, kind of a paid to play scheme that is as old as the hills, but still corrupt. so the charges real or or is this may be just another case of the right with the help of the ca, taking out another politician that they don't like has, has been part of a historic of latin america. good question. the answer may surprise you. the prosecutors who presented the charges against him are actually considered credible. yeah, the charge is also seem believable. and here's maybe the dagger in the heart for castillo, in terms of how he lost his gig, right?

his own cabinet members, the people he put in there, right? they all bailed on him, they all said audio else. they apparently also thought that he did something wrong, maybe even crooked. but then let's look at the other side of the coin, because there's also this. as soon as this dude castillo became the president of the country, the moneyed class of folks and lima, they be, can they began accusing him of everything and then so. so when congress finally steps in and tries to impeach him for corruption, he dissolves the congress. hang out that is young. i live in clamour. sheila, i lie to go young children vice though mom was though this is young, they a stablish, it won't go vietnam, this have young audience out of 7070000 in it. you're not anymore. kanethia, acoya pixel. cindy, unless again, because many this next thing you know,

he's removed from office and he's jailed and that all hell breaks loose nationwide, people are taking to the streets. they're demanding that he be reinstalled and peru is once again in a quagmire. now there's also brazil, almost at the same time where the trump in president balsa nato loses his election as you've read to the populace left his little da silva and there to all hell breaks loose once again, people on the streets also narrow supporters also out there protesting there, demonstrating they're breaking stuff. in fact, here some of the scenes from brazil, ya, ah, if you and while both scenarios, supporters were on the streets and brazilian bo scenario himself was finding

a new home just outside of disney world. you can't make this upright. both scenarios, literally and disney world is in orlando, florida. he did not attend louis to silvas integration, has remained generally silent. now the question is, is he going to be back or better said will the u. s. state department in the see i want him back and joining us now is camila escalante. ah, you know, interestingly enough far camila has a lot of experience. she works as a correspondent for rob prestige in latin america. and she's also the editor of cancer, tumor, news, which covers a lot of these types of stories that we're going to be talking about and look to big things going on right now in latin america. what happened in peru, which i still quite don't understand, the bloodshed has been taking place for quite some time now. and then trying to understand what really happened in brazil. a country who's ex president is

now in miami or orlando, florida. we're not sure. busy wow. busy the people who seemed greets, meanwhile in peru, it's a different situation where they ousted the president. his backers are now out on the streets. they want the other president to step down figuring all of this out for us is what makes this sub so interesting. so why don't we, why do we start with the brazil? if, if you, if you would like, what really happened in brazil, it looks to me like the people decided they didn't like balls an arrow anymore. and they put in the guy who used to be the president, right? well, precisely, i really did when by a couple 1000000 boats on october 30th. and even before that, for the last year, we've been seeing these sorts of threats of what the boston area says, the people who support former president charleston are with you in a scenario is lula, were to win back the presidency in the vote. and so, of course,

these people have been protesting in different ways. they have been urging different types of intervention and the electoral process. the election came around lula one and since october 30th, we've seen lots of protests take place, so called protests if you want to consider them right. but do they have to do, or is there anything about lola's when? which was illegitimate of illegitimate enough to raise the spectrum of people properly hitting the streets and saying this is wrong. and if it's wrong, what was wrong? absolutely not in a vast majority of supporters of general sar. oh sorry. the vast majority of politicians aligned the terrible smell and his political party and the congress, the state governors had all accepted. they immediately accepted the when lily da silva and they congratulated him on his younger age and hes select interest in the country. the agribusiness be those who are behind the deforestation of the amazon.

any other trans national interests they're going after life? because a lot of the other right, when governors in the country are right wing entities in the country, politicians have largely sent much try to work with lee lack. let's see how far we can get. but see how committed he is to pushing some sort of progressive agenda or to someone we can work with has also been to position. and the united states is not quite ready to crew. and it seems it's so this is of easy right versus left moneyed interest versus campesinos interest argument that's taking place in brazil. pretty easy to understand the way you just laid it out. let's switch now over to peru and try to understand what happened there with president castillo. busy this guy lives in a mud hut. he's a teacher, really a poor man ah, becomes a president of the country and right away, they start hitting them and hitting them and hitting them until eventually they want to impeach him and he dissolves the congress. so there won't impeach him,

and then they remove him for dissolving the congress. interesting story. i guess the 1st question i have to ask you then is, was he corrupt? i mean, just because he's poor, does that mean he's not corrupt? right? what was he groped yet no window of time in which to be corrupt. they were attempting to kill him. from the day he came to into power before he was even inaugurated the right wing and keiko who g maury, who was his opponent in that election of 2021, so that they would not recognize the total victory of pedro castillo. they knew he, someone who wasn't deeply ingrained in the political world that he was someone who came to the period libra to run for the presidency as a union leader from very humble background. as you describe and someone who didn't have a lot of clout, the institutions were so fragile in the country, but they knew they could go and, and just attempts to take them out of office. and no one would be there to the phantom, wasn't someone who was very good at politics. he wasn't someone who was very good

at taking advice or knowing what to do. he wasn't quite savvy. and so he was from the very beginning they were trying to out, since he had no opportunity whatsoever to even make any sort of corrupt contracts or anything like that. but, but what he did is highly questionable as well let's, let's face it. he dissolved congress dissolving congress as an extreme act. he did, he play into their hand by making himself look like the extremist very by giving them probably never actually he never was actually able to dissolve congress. he made that order and he was swiftly carried off to jail. never to be released. of course now he's being held in pre trial detention. that order was never realized. he ordered a number of other things including a state of emergency, and he said that they would reorganize some of the country's main judicial institutions. none of that ever happened. he was just immediately jail, so they were planning on taking him one way or another that day or inevitably. but

you know, this might be the products of receiving poor advice. he was going to figures like louisa mago, the secretary general of the organization of american states, and he was also allying with some right wing politicians within the country and abandoning his on political party. so this woman, deena de warranty, who is now the president of all of our peru who used to be the vice president of the room. she seems generally despised by the populace. of my overstating that in any way. well, the pro libra insiders, the people on the last who were trying to give advice, trying to save his casteel from a group or advising him before this even took place. watch out for dina. she's going to be another lenny moreno as he saw in ecuador. for example, mandy said, be very careful with her. everything transpired, of course, she took power. and since then people lows her even more and more because of the

massacres. each scene takes place because of the bloodshed. we've seen just many killings as days that she's been in power. by the way, i have a podcast where i as a journalist, as a latino and as an entrepreneur, tell my story and share with you what i've learned about exceed and how to grow. it's called the rick sanchez podcast. i invite you to check it out and i will see you there. but when we come back, we're going to talk about these riots that have been taking place in the brazilian capital. and what about the u. s. i a .

ah. ah . so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offense. very dramatic development. only personally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time. time to sit down and talk

with ah, pay, welcome back as the us change the way it approaches latin america, because the worst kept secret all over the world, of course, is that the united states interferes there. i mean, that's a nice way to put it ever since the monroe doctrine, the u. s. has felt it has the right a mandate almost to do as it pleases in latin america as if it were a place that has little or no independence. but what is the situation right now? did the u. s. interfere in peru, for example? and what's it going to do about brazil?

we're talking to camilla is gallant. there she is a fabulous journalist and who well covers a latin america in particular. we've been talking of course about what's happening in brazil and what's happening in peru to countries with similar but yet not so similar situations. we got a sense from what you just told us about what's going in brazil. and when you, i interrupted you because i wanted to the flesh out brazil a little more but you were about to get into why you think the situation in peru is very different please. can you take us through that? absolutely. well, the whole show in peru that there is a very low approval rate of the city in congress. the congress which tried to out page a half and which net right now is running the country. they call it a parliamentary dictatorship, and this is across the country, you know, prove the country that has right, has had many. if you guys are probably the many presidential ask the years or so,

let's say 6 presidents and it's a country where there are very extreme level of poverty, it's very difficult country to be a working class or person indigenous person. there's a lot of racism. there's lack of opportunity for young people, and so there's a lot of reasons why people might be very unhappy with what's going on. they finally brought someone from the popular sectors of indigenous communities from the teacher union to power. someone who they believe represented them and it might not necessarily be the best leader. # that who has to offer, but that's who they voted for and they stand by that. and so right now people have taken quite across the country in an aggressive manner. there are a lot of people, not necessarily the same political party. they don't necessarily support the same political leaders on the left or from the indigenous communities. but what they do want to see is a transformation of a country. they don't want to be their country dummied by trans national crime by cocaine trafficking and production by

a corrupt military and corrupt politicians. and they want to be able to actually have a similar system as you see in neighboring bolivia, where the constitution protects the natural resources and the right of the proven people to control their own natural resources, their own industries, nationalized thing. and so this is the example they're looking towards. this is the sort of platform that future improve liebherr ran on during the 2021 election which he won. and that's the project that people still support. this is, they want to see i implemented in the country and by taking it out of power, it leaves them with the same right way in chest, never in the country. it seems like, you know, you know, that expression we all have about are, are our children. he, he, he may not be incredible, but he's mine, you know, we, we defend our own. it almost seems like kasteel was in many ways. he was

a p p was the peoples guy, right. i mean, to peruse divided into 2 parts. really there's, there's lima and the money interest in lima. and there's the rest of peru, which is laska pacino's, the countryside had wherever, all the people. and this guy was probably, if ever, there has been the embodiment of, of a guy who represented that sector. it was him. i mean, he was a teacher, he grew up in on a mud, hud. i mean, he was a, you know. busy busy a guy with the indigenous rude, so he was how much of what these people are fighting for in the streets to day has less to do with all of the things that we've all been talking about, including congress and the impeachment, and that the solvent and all of those things and more to do with the people to sing dammit, i like that guy. he was one of us, and i'm going to fight to get him back in office. well, i think that doesn't actually represent the majority of people. i think

a lot of people want to defend their vote and their sovereign decision at the polls . they think that's important. but i think beyond that, they are very happy to press for a new set of elections in which there will be new candidates. castillo will likely not be one of them, especially because he continues to be a political prisoner today. and it might be with quarterly, but it might be with the other political party, but they want the project that they had voted on, which was a very, very comprehensive platform put forward by the party that he ran for. and right now people are angry and they're demonstrating mobilizing, holding a general indefinite strike across the country. not because they want to reinstate page or conceal, but because the total lack of rights, the total suspension of fundamental rights, and the great crimes against humanity being committed by this q regime, against the proven people, largely not in the major cities, not in lima, but in the world country side where those different campus, you know,

groups and communities large largely which are indigenous lead. and this is where the massacres have been committed. it's like i said, very similar to what we saw carried out by janine and yes. in november 2019, the difference is that the massacres and the killing have gone even longer and with fewer denouncement internationally and no, no sort of human rights body is intervening in any way from the human rights complex that's based in washington in europe. and so this is ongoing, they're very happy in washington state. and let me ask you about, let me interrupt you because when you get into that part of the conversation that i wanted to have with you, you know, it's interesting as we look at the situation unfold in peru, and i don't know by the time this interview that i'm doing with you, whether this story will have changed because it does change an awful lot. we still don't know how it's going to end up, but or dying every day on the streets of peru still. um we also know or have heard,

i'm sure you've seen reports that you as diplomats in peru met with custio's opposition. ah. and there are even stories that they may have met with the vice president who is now the president. ah, do you get a sense, do you have any thing that you have seen document wise or in terms of your own report, tahj, which might lead us to believe that the united states was actually involved in the removal. and this whole near coo, situation taking place in the country with getting the castillo out and putting the vice president in the i think government was among the 1st in the world, she recognized dina black day, when this all took place in early december, they essentially condemned what age a casteel had done, and they recognized the new i de facto re, ye yeah, but so, um, i mean, but so,

but, so what, that's okay. i mean, if, if the, you know, if all the, you know, if all you're saying, and i am just to push back here for you with you a little bit, if all the united states does is, well, there was a, there was a guy down there who was corrupt, they took him out, another vice president and power. okay, great. we support the vice president that doesn't make them up guilty of of, of, of being playing a part in the cool. right. well that in of itself does not we do see us ambassador in lima. lisa cana, who has a very high and extensive profile within the ca, within the state department who has worked both under republican and democratic party administration for decades with extremely important tasks. overseas speaks many languages, i mean, this is a top security intelligence agent that they put there for very specific reasons.

and she was changed and put into that post quite recently. and so, as you said, she did sit down and have meetings, most of which are not secret. and we've seen all the photos of her posing with people who were part of custio's administration, including his defense minister. but we have to remember that the people who were in major castillo administration were not necessarily his choice or his 1st choice. he was forced, on many occasions from the very 1st week of his administration to change ministers and to shape his cabinet in a way in which plays the right when congress, it wasn't all people from his own pity, leave their party. and so they are meeting with people they had met with people ahead of the q at they being lisa can at the ambassador of united states. and lima and embassy officials had sat down with members of his, of his government. and since then, she has been very fast to meet with all the different newly appointed people under

the new de facto deena who are to administration. that's fascinating. well, that puts things in perspective and that makes for a great conversation. and i really thank you for this camilo escalante. a wonderful reporter who is one of the few people who can actually speak to these topics with both reporting experience. i am as somebody who was a true latino living in latin america. it's a pleasure to talk to you thanks much for taking your time and sharing some of your wisdom with us. and before we go, i want to remind you of our mission. simple, really. i want to help de silo the world. we've got to stop living in these disparate separate little boxes truths. don't live in boxes, they're everywhere, right. i'm rick sanchez. i'll be looking for you again pref here, where i hoped to provide a direct impact. ah,

look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. at the point, obviously is to create a truck or rather than fit with various job with artificial intelligence, real summoning with obama protect its own existence with

a 1st time in history and entire countries. culture has been cancelled. the very modern weapon cancelled culture. really desert willow. was sheffield miler, so little in wembley, prague yet just me sitting there with the phrase now particularly refers to counseling russian culture. yet the no secret of see what was the zip code when you're my fuel, which will be all that is killing me so well that the most of us have reached the london e. normally what russia is created over the past 1500 years. there's no question actually condemned, reviled and rejected it like a, but for me at the mill of bramble, there's a lot closer on a whole bunch. anytime i guess it'll show the list. joining total condemnation,

gross daily, and now enclosed does de escalate to cascade shostakovich. i need to yeah, of course left, but yes, you could also see that with that number you do obama lee? you don't do that a with 03 . 0

so.