for of subtraction and additional genies. yes, president a ca you say he has rejected a long away to 2000000000 dollar i miss package suggesting that subsidy cuts could lead to public and rest. now when the president was asked about alternatives to the i am if long he stated that tunisia must rely on themselves. and on top of all of that, we've had the use foreign policy. chiefly doors of bar rule warning against tunisia saying that a looming economy collapse into easier is being seen. the policy chief went on to disclose that a very dangerous situation was developing and which new flows of my group would hid from north africa, am to solvent euro for either to initiate it in a rush across i what happens there has an immediate impact. the rush, natalie brushing grisham migration flows because you create more instability and

insecurity in demeanor ration they're made to read it to you as foreign minister. i described all these comments as overblown to me. there has been struggling with an economy crisis that is causing a recurrent and lack of basic necessities such as pitfall and cooking oil. it was at that time that to the i am, if demanded that to the county carries out reforms including the gradual lifting of subsidies and base the goods and the restructuring of hadley company in to get for political sociology. professor at chi rose american university side, fedex safety i m f is being used as a western to making developing countries dependent on interest labor, financial supporter. those institutions are controlled by big capital disconnected, especially to states and other western countries. and it looks like it,

computers on mac, calculations, but actually it has also political entrance and political ideas. and the want to guide the country in a particular way. but the mean in, of course it can all make and political dependence on developing countries that enter into relationship with i have become i think. ready it's like the addiction, so they get used to it. and after a period of time they just can get out of it. they become, you know, it's like, it cannot be completed. but in a different way. and of course the, i'm not using the home. i'm using it can make assistance economic development. they have not any successful i m f, a developing countries. they have not shown that this is. this is a way full of well that's our news run up for now, but stay close as we're going underground again in moments to day option speaking

to long time as trillion diploma. tony cabin about orchids. china and proxy wars. ah. ah . i'm after dance and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all round the world from dubai in the u. e. this week's u. s. u k. u armed warming of syria, a human rights enjo denied access to you. k jail journalist julian assange, that alone the assassination of a russian journalist, latin tut aski in saint petersburg this week. no. there was just one big story in nato nations. the rest of popular opposition leader donald trump, who spoke on tuesday of his possible death penalty less prominent was the prospect

of nuclear war. as us politicians ignored warnings from badging not to meet taiwanese politicians saying when in california for more on nater 2nd front as it fights russia through ukraine is collier, host of the silken seal podcast about chinese history, culture and politics is in bali in that foundational nation of the non line movement. indonesia. gotcha. thank you so much for coming on after all these years . i think many people around the world, the what your treachery around here, your podcast, that just kick off thou with what you think of this tie when he is lida arriving. i don't know why. why do you think she's even in the u. s. she said she's going to guatemala and billy's, and it was just as she couldn't get a direct flight and had to fly through new york, which is presumably why she met the democrat chalk. her house leader in the new yorker there. on the i came jefferson on the way back in the reagan memorial

library to meet kevin mccarthy. the number 2 in the u. s. power structure. the has speaker. yeah, i mean of course you can get into a flight, right. and the whole purpose of the so called latin american is really come to us and to publicly challenge shy it. ready it's a highly locked it moves us. no us knows where china's read by finance, they said publicly taiwan can do whatever they want as long as they don't do not declare formal independence. but now us lawmakers are making a statement like tie one is a new country. we should respect thailand, sovereignty, which is going back there. all commitment to one side of the policy that was signed by president nathan back in 1972, we premier july which formed the foundation on the final american relationship ever

since. so us walking back on that because they know we're trying to spread like red light it. and just like what they do is they keep on pushing russia red light on push to natal east words they are now trying to push china red light on taiwan. understand for china with the pipe, but just as ukrainian issue is a motional issue that rushes for the chinese tie. one issue with the highly emotional recharge issue and the us just to know which button to push and they, they're doing it because there's a, there's a thinking among the pentagon that they have a very small limited time window to china, right? because china is continually to continue to write and even by spend years. so i will, china, chinese economy will grow to scale that united states wouldn't be able to china

even if they want to. so the idea is happy. china, they gotta do it. now. get to the economic prospects in a moment, but i mean, i know that you've said that that unlike ukraine, the ukraine issue, the p l. a navy would quickly draw in direct us forces. of course in ukraine. the u . s. is, has special forces there clearly and there are some personnel, but mostly which they deny. and there are billions and billions of dollars of equipment coming from britain in the european union. and that once a u. s. warship was sunk, the biden administration would have to consider as they call them tactical nuclear weapons against china. yes, in fact us. busy we recently did work on china us war i one day they conclusion the issue is that without us a fall in 3 months and i saw many st. interviews on high

one after that and usually break out. a lot of people were surprised. they were surprised to learn that out for us out because i thought it was a success from economy supplying all the semiconductors and chips in our phones. well, it is, but i wouldn't use the island on like the crate crate share orders. we recycle it. pie one is the island. china chinese maybe just place block a around the island. and then then what all the ships cannot get out of the island . i baffling us have a choice either intervene or spit it out and us being threatened to nuclear arms for hours and we get a lot well i know that there was a drill last time. nancy pelosi then how speak of visited that i one seeming to

contravene the u. s. his own one china policy. but how did he come to this? in the 1st base, the pentagon says as 313 bases these from the pentagon, who knows how many black sites and what else? 313 bases before the 9 new ones in the philippines. that's out of the $750.00 outside the continental united states. why has it taken so long for china to respond as it slowly been encircled over these decades? let alone responding to the economic warfare that's been around for quite a few years now. it's not just a tick tock. suddenly it was while way and others from the european union sanctioned by britain for instance. so that's crazy, right? because 1st of all, the us sign is not, not in the started $949.00 after the stablish china. and we know the 1st half of the cold war, us place,

bases around china that started to change 972 lately, china card up against a union and what have changed last and 15 years in the united states, i realize certainly china, contrary to popular belief china could actually innovate, they are not actually, technologically, militarily, economically, and many people in washington, that is a law to the us, germany of the world, they challenge. and so they have to do something about it for china, for a long time, trying to basically still work with the united states to do work with globalization effort that was led initially by united states because china mostly benefit all google i. they should try to receive large action uh, western battle to devolve all industrial capabilities. but

what biden industry should show is ministration may change from trying to buy and buy us policy remain the same, which is to be antagonistic toward china. now i finally gave us as wife, she's not picking up, i call the white house trying to arrange house between she and by paying why macro is being sent because macro apparently is being talking to biden before he went to managing. busy well i think macro my invasion. busy is all we use and because now you found a tremendous pressure because of the us post sanctions on russia, high energy prices, we lead to see industrialization on europe. european industrial is are acting up and lead last winter us because us cheaper energy. and so i think mac wrong

and needed some germany. i realized that this is why, you know, german leader have already a visit to china. now it's my home. can you be but do you think the communist party can trust macro? i mean, obviously nature, nation media, the demonstrations of mass uprisings, right across france, from bordeaux right down to the south. not quite getting the same coverages. there's hong kong demonstrations a few years ago. but we now know that macro maybe was privy to what anglo merkle alleges was that men scored which was only a way of delaying the arming for kiev and lensky. how can micro be trusted because he was considered for a while, i think perhaps in moscow as a suitable boston of a negotiation over ukraine than it turned out. he must have known because he was amidst party to the agreement before it was ratified of un security council.

exactly, i mean, ultimately i said us is wrong. very sure. your allies are more like baffles and clients and allies and the team leader dares to go against the us line so, but nevertheless, you know, china is still extending extent. it's still opening the door and sending out our branch is no one knows, you know, trying to get broker the saudi arabia iran, lately to surprise almost everyone. so right now, macro also understand that whatever they're doing is not working, whatever the nation is currently doing. the worries not a lot while for them, people are phasing lation economy and they have to do something. so there's over to unity there. we'll just have to see what kind of like you say,

what can bring concrete me to that when i was surprised that china broke it, but apparently saudi iran negotiations. trump, of course assassinated. so the money was rumored to have a letter, you know, the propaganda, hearts and minds impact of the national endowment of democracy and even in jews like amnesty international. what we will watch our interview with the curious we are representative on our rumble channel on going underground. why is it, do you think all of that didn't persuade the global south? the china is evil. i know that in the past few days, the so called us intelligence anonymous sources, a briefing, the media them, the chinese consulate in los angeles as paying $400.00 a demonstrated to demonstrate, again, can chat sigh of taiwan. and les a, she's the actual all the way and so they have to come up with

a lot of. ready story but a little south, i think many people in the global south i see the western day because certainly offer survey shows china high surprisingly very positive image. ready ready as opposed to, you know, the so called international community, which is really the u. s. and it's a cetera. we're talking about human rights and michelle bachelor. i mean, she has a history of being tortured by the i a back regimes in chile. and she said serious human rights violations in jan jang. so is it people getting bored or tired of the united nations itself? as a neutral arbiter? i know that you in 60 general, so quick to condemn russia for what russia saw as a defense of the people from cultural cleansing in bass, in east,

in ukraine. yeah, i think people can eastern the western propaganda just recently. there was trainees, journalist edwards, she challenged to you and you spoke person for us on the question of why use us. ready illegally optimized, syria, and us both person flatly does not believe not 3, syria and the chinese journalist brought out the new status by us servicemen in syria. us, not the notary shoots are being injured in syria. so this is, this is so obvious now to many people who were not, maybe not constantly bombarded by the western ways, people in the western subject. i mean, this is why you all the muslim countries,

none of the site with the us crusade on the so called young issue in china because the price price and you have to instill for your operating western decry why the muslim country care about john. why? because they don't care about news kasha, i'll stop you. the more from the host of the phil conceal podcast after this break . ah the i welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with phil conceals college on the nation. meet you a quick to pounds that gigi and being before arriving in moscow,

said the territorial integrity must be respected and pounced on that with regard to china's peace plan in ukraine. what does china mean that the territorial integrity must be respected as regards any peace settlement in new grained? as china seriously think? the people of crimea should not give the government they want? that is a very interesting question. but if you look at the chinese formatting position, you have always been respecting your. busy busy integrity and sovereignty, because china has been all suited for last. china has pie one is part of china and we choose agree to my may by most of the countries i stablish diplomatic relationship, retirement for china, sovereignty and integrity is very important. i say fine, china we spec russian position in regarding ukraine and this is why was

she met with me? are they? they said they they're, they're okay with the chinese proposal. ready they're very much like that wasn't sharon tauriel integrity man in china territory when it comes to europe to europe. okay. good question. well, i think what china out want is to do business or right because war is bad for business unless you are, you know, lockheed martin or china. we want to see peace and state in europe, and maybe, you know then, then they can roll out delta lo initiatives, you even need to degrade the point. ukraine's the biggest trade partner was china. so maybe that was a thought in the pentagon in the state above and that the british intelligence

services, old china will want to keep the largest country and western europe, whose biggest trade partner is china on side and will somehow be decoupled for moscow. yeah, i me, this is, this is crazy. china understand what's going on. there's the china understand the game, the play. china do not want to see russia, ukraine, or from russia. all china will be the next target. and this isn't very clearly understood, not only by the chinese media, but everyone knows us out and get china and us is asking china, oh, why don't we, why don't you? thank you, russia, this is quite, i mean, how would china respond? you are, you are right now, slacking off again. i'm expecting you back here is russia. this

is ridiculous. this is why she is not returning. phone call is speaking to me from bonnie because quite apart any pressure on china, which obviously probably doesn't work because of china's power. take talk chinese by balloons and firing missiles at them. the terrible legacy may be a 1000000 killed at the behest of washington in the, in denisia. how far can global south leaders like we don't go in indonesia? how can they support breaks in the jaguar ration organization because he's been saying de dollarization decoupling changing in the economy. he must remember that easy and history and what happens to global leaders who talk about a multi polar world by right now. but he's talking about the dollar radiation, brazil just sign a green china shoot to trade in ron and friends, friends concluded allan g deal with china to be concluded, chinese r and b. so this is not just the goal without now. my problem over to be g

and you have, you had us congressman marco rubio said, you know, we don't have much time because the world is going to dollar dollar i nation. so bad a 5 years. i won't be able to, thanks to a country because our, i mean, you just basically admission what is going to happen regardless lead us government is in fact us government actually right now is pushing dollar nation to accelerate because everyone see if they stay on dollars, they sanction next, you know, asia would be sanctioned next. malaysia would be. thank you. next. that's why malaysian prime minister just recently made a speech in malaysia should not pied is devolved in only 2 to the dollar,

only to the best, $80.00. you know, he's talking about exploring alternatives and money. my lazy one can expect arguably my, my home and famously refusing the i m f advice as regards privatization, neoliberalism in response to previous recessions. but what about the important ones in the region? japan, south korea, the philippines. i mean is, is a beijing just going to watch these 9 new bases appear in the philippines that can attack mainland china. well, they, they both have been us client, they follow us have large presence in both countries. so be interesting because long inside of us here are influenced, but ever since i was to our day have been trying to explore alternatives with china and russia. and even today with the new president, he's trying to get the best on the both of us. he can get some military aid

from china. acknowledge investment, right, right. because right now us doesn't offer anything other than weapons you to china is the one that told me to do to which of course ne, donation media, se. oh, and we got john perkins on the conventions are really going to hit man, he's turned against china and said chinese replacing the washington consensus. institutions of bretton woods. they're just going to be the same. they're leaving indebtedness in the global south. well, what chinese joy and give offer or heard before, we only have global domination can only lie a world bank laws and we all know the predatory nature of the world bank. now they can go say, hey, i can, maybe i can get a better deal with china. i don't have to stick with you. you world bank. unless you give me a better term position is always good. and at the same time, you know,

nobody, china is not, i've gone to a actually been leaders to force them to, to sign to sign delta initiatives. african, you have to respect african countries for their own age. and this is the women that african leaders are willingly insure to remain in class. so it's not, it's kind of, i think it's kind of ready to suggest that africans don't know what they're. busy back there, but what is the reaction going to be from the united states? i mean, you believe her, she is allegation that the north stream is blown up and destroyed in the west eco terror attack by the by and have ministration with the ca, presuming you do do believe that will surely that can cause havoc to chinese investments right around the world, if it's capable of doing that because they denied completely. can china

withstand? i mean, usually it just puts a drill on and doesn't the talking. it's not supplying lethal a de rusher even for ukraine. arguably, saudi arabia, which doesn't take the phone calls in the us, where i'm speaking to you from doesn't take phone calls from biden. they just, well in the past week went for it regarding oil prices. what is china actually doing to defend itself? oh, sure. i know how did you sign it, just authorize the increase of military budget percent and the chinese navy has been expanding at their wrapping labels alarm because they know it's chinese surely mobilized. they can produce military hardware and much faster. ready to watch me for the ever all the right now. busy all the worlds industries in china, china is a country. i'm a states us. you want to have a commissioner where we are

a china can, can, can produce, produce ponds, jonas and this so, and, and destroyers than right now. the trying to maybe have world one of the world's most best mr. destroyer type, 55 us us plan destroyer. yet people are looking at the other design and people wonder if usaa is just trying to copy the chinese except the us, us, the latest us destroy, it won't be, won't be written, the budget won't be approved until 2030. so, you know, so i right now i don't think us when a conventional war against but danger is whether it will need to include outlook because once a carrier, as i went straight on,

i one is going to respond to use nuclear weapons that. ready is that sure dollar us well, aside from that threat of nuclear war, which never really mentioned in the nature nation media, what about the european continent? do you see that is in a kind of terminal decline and the sanctions policy is it's arguably sanctions. it's off and the weapons ation, we can only go over against russia and china appear to fail. what is going to happen to western europe. if european leaders cannot break out of the days to washington, they're going, they're going to decline that currently going through right now. i mean, they, they're following washington fail. oh, which is washington, not euro. you know, like i said, the german industrialists are moving their plans to united states because the gas prices cheaper bare. whereas the germany just got the price was natural

partners and major source of energy. russia, it's why don't we get any, any sensible person? german person will see this in to the district of germany. but right now, the problem with the european media are still open to watch the moment on the line to get to the european eaters started back. will kasha? thank you. thank you. and that's for the show will be back on monday to assess the depth of economic catastrophe facing nato countries threatening china with author and chief economist, professor dan like i have. but until then you can keep in touch my social media if it's not sense in your country and had to channel going underground tv on normal dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground. see you monday. ah, ah, ah,

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