find themselves well to pardon, we choose to look some common ground a if there is another search of these hidden sanctions that were experienced last spring, it could lead to famine and all te exclusive, the chairman of the russian unit of grey next 4th is revealed. the official hurdles, the west is using to blow trade in the sanction grain and fertilizers. market to us tend to blame everything on russia. that's the position of the kremlin spokesperson on the media frenzy around a massive liter, allegedly classified pentagon document on the french president and manual background statement about the need for strategical tanami from the united states means black clash in washington

with lloyd from las go. this is our team, my name is rod, mommy and 30 minutes of news and views stop. now. when sanctions aunt enough make it unofficial, the russian union of grey next will does, has told odyssey that former western partners are easy. a set of silent restrictions to deter foreign companies from trading russian week. i'm fertilizers, products excluded from sanction lists. don't always toilet us. we just see that this is a back stage process. when all banks refuse to make payments, all insurance companies refuse to corporate are all ships under a certain flag refuse to enter russian ports despite all existing licenses. what kind of private initiative is this? when all this happens on a scale, those are clearly coordinated actions. and this is confirmed to us in informal conversations that there is a verbal command to do this. of course,

no one can confirm it is completely unofficial, but it works very effectively. so if there is another surge of these hidden sanctions that were experience last spring, he could lead to famine. we were on the brink of this last year. as soon as the sanctions weakened, the grain price immediately returned to normal and it happened as soon as we went public. when we asked these uncomfortable questions, then people who state one position are forced to justify their actions, as they don't correspond with what they're saying. but it's expired. on this, several global corporations have announced their intention to exit russia's great exit industry and saw operations in the country by july operations that range from harvesting to having ships at sea. that's going to leave a domestic void, but russia's ural, him, agriculture and giant isn't spaces to buy out assets, meaning daily operations in the industry unnoticed. maintenance to be affected as

qualified specialist as supplies will get on with sending food to the world. now russia gray next was in fact are increasing growing as customer base. why a 3rd year on year, including an expansion to the middle east africa. and as the black sea grain deal with you when is set to expire, moscow may have to consider if there's a benefit in signing an extension. i have russia claims, western partners, aunt holly up there, side of the packs, zoom, we've done bustling for sure. we have approached this with a degree of aggravation. we have offered to extend the steel for only 60 days. that is based on the fact that if there is no further progress in removing obstacles against russian fertilizer and grain exports, we will have to consider whether or not we really need this deal under. the very alternative may be to increased trade partnerships with countries like saudi arabia,

algeria, and south africa, and get weeked, ultimately 2 nations most in need. and while ross is murphy operation in ukraine is being painted as the main cause of global hunger. why centroid is involved in the black sea grain deal all reaping benefits? more than 23000000 tons of food experts have left ports there. that countries have received nearly half of that. the poorest nations on the other hand, got just 6 percent them. mcclellan says, this is not an unprecedented case field, not just once there have so a tendency to blame everything on right now. shabbos is joining me here, the cd to discuss the details. say great to see you here. now, what's going on with these reports? what do we know so far? well, we know that these are documents are photographs of documents were f, 1st spotted on relatively marginal gaming, air, and chat sites at discord and fortune. most people would know,

but they very quickly leaked out into the wider media and did the story brokerage with the new york times on friday at reporting that over a 100, you know, detailed intelligence files would apparently look like intelligent files. corbin, a wide range of topics i had been you know, leaked online and you know, the western media of course and picked up on the story and picking up the ball enthusiastically and running with it. and it's very interesting to have a look and out of what, what their narrative has been on it so far more. more details are emerging about how an apparent trove of intelligence documents leaked on the social media sites over the last few months. with the justice department investigation already underway. classified government documents covering not only ukraine, but other parts of the world have started showing up on social media. this appears to be a major compromise of pentagon seekers. they describe a range of

u. s. intelligence activities, including america's spying operations around the world, and iran and north korea's nuclear programs. time something sensitive like this comes out of the pentagon leaks from the pentagon. it is taken very seriously by the administration. so yeah, as you can see, the, the content varies widely mo, from, you know, plans on the ukraine conflict. significantly detailed logistical plans on western weapons when they are meant to arrive at different de ukrainian units, unit strength, the placement of those, you know, so in great detail. it also features a documents, routing to what the western powers would consider. signals intelligence, which is intercepted intelligence, and a lot of that intelligence actually comes from there. i suppose it allies who they seem to be, are also listening into it. you know, so, and that, that includes israel and south korea. now when we talk about all these different little countries like kicks in, i suppose, am a props perhaps even worried?

have we seen nasal reactions from them? yeah, well, has been widespread a dismay, apparently a report in the western media but, or from anonymous sources. so, so 3 is the only a country that is officially a said that they request an appropriate measure from washington, and we're going to listen to that now more. once the 2 countries finish figuring out the situation, we plan to request appropriate measures from the u. s. if necessary, that process will proceed based on the relationship of trust formed between 2 allies. yes. so an interest to me, we've had no reactions from the official reaction from the big hitters like israel or, or great britain or you know, so of course ukraine has come out and has suggested that this is a russian dis, information ploy at to distract and confuse the, the media and the public ahead of this much vaunted and telegraphed ukrainian

a counter offensive. we can have a listen to that response from from give the aim of secret data leaks is obvious. divert attention, cast doubts, and mutual suspicions. so discord, it's an ordinary game of russian secret services, the so of sort of a going on and not many of these countries re saying much, i mean all these documents, real pipes are forensic well, we don't know whether they're authentic. and i think it's interesting that the western media have now uniformly picked up the ball in room with the authenticity of these documents, which is interesting, you know, when you consider that the same media have also, uniformly failed to challenge the u. s. government on the allegations relating to the north stream attack, for example. so we've got a big disparity between this group think now. so i think really, you know, they've also turned a blind eye to numerous breaches of the geneva convention, for example, in ukraine when it comes to ukrainian military. so i think, you know,

we have to keep an open mind and, but i think we have to view this with some skepticism. now at this stage mobile, we'll keep an eye that us as an amazing job. very interesting. i'm. so keeping an eye on that for a shake. speak against in order. thanks again. ah, let's move on out to another 3rd had going for francis present mike, one has been facing a barrage of criticism online after he warned european powers to be wary of washington, saying the us has been seeking to turn them into a vassal states in response, twitter uses coin to new term, macro running to denounce anyone who's political views could coincide with those of the french liter. micron could not be clearer and even clearer parts were removed by political under request of the embassy in his v. taiwan is not europe's problem, and europe should not become vast. sons of the united states is brutally on demands,

his credibility as leads in europe. my cronin joins shows in, in the lexicon of shame. for me, emanuel micron is a political disaster for the e. you mainly contributing directly or indirectly to fix it. exactly what good and expects vice president emanuel nicole revealed to journalists all the way back from china, aboard the presidential play. that he apparently had some kind of an epiphany while he was in china. it sounds like he's now saying that europe really doesn't have to ride shotgun alongside washington every time that washington decides to load up the warm old bill and speed down the regime change highway. the paradox would be, that's overcome with panic, belief wedges. americans follow us. the caution europeans need to answer as it is now, interest took to the right to cross on taiwan. no, that was the would be to think that we repeats must be comfortable on this topic and take al q from the agenda and the chinese over action. so michael,

just figured out apparently that france can have a foreign policy that's independent and not aligned with either the east or the west. not sure how we managed to miss that lesson earlier since michael claims to be a big admirer of former french president, shot the gun who kept france. others. nato filled the relationship with moscow and kicked the americans out of france when they wanted to stick around. and definitely after the 2nd world war, like they have in germany, it's just do that. and i called didn't have that lesson at top of mine prior to the ukraine conflict popping off. he may been able to convince his european counterparts not to jump off an economic cliff and harm their own energy supply in industry. just because the u. s. wanted them to mistakenly buying into this idea that it would bring the russian economy to its knees as branch economy minister, blaine, or the mass said mac, who said that european nations should also reduce their dependence on the quote, extra territoriality of the u. s. dollar. and avoid becoming, quote, vassals,

macros, new found concern about us economic overreach might have some to do with a potentially devastating impact on europe of biden's inflation reduction act, particularly on european industry. as mac home basically begged us lawmakers to recognize during his visit to washington last december, specifically on the market, is what has happened and written months is a challenge for us. because we're starting to how differences are managers and the cost of the war and ukraine is not the same in europe and in the united states. but most importantly, they chose that have been night for which i share that goes in particular, the inflation reduction act. all the chips act. i chose that will split the west not renewed interest in french strategic autonomy might also have something to do with the fact that china sent him off with a really nice hearty gift of a massive new deal. beijing has agreed to buy a 160 new commercial aircraft from the french,

headquartered european aerospace conglomerate air bus, whose chinese production is also now set to double with the 2nd assembly line in change in that also has airbus ahead of its american rival, bowie in china and gives europe a major new advantage in that fierce economic competitive do awfully. which is really just an extension of us and european interests since boeing and airbus is so economically critical. so heading home with this new yet from china for the french economy at a time when the u. s. side has given europe a string of headaches and empty promises. it's no hard to imagine why my whole might suddenly be singing the praises of keeping his geopolitical dating options open. this is a very interesting topic and made unless discuss this issue with nelson one wife children. the shanghai center for impact and international studies is here joining me, nelson. good to see really appreciate you taking the time out. micron has been accused

by pro american lobby's of playing along with some supposed prime by china to separate the e and the us. what do you think about that? oh wow. or i think europe is a civilization and so does china. and i think we've all come a long way to reach where we are today. i think our colleagues in the west, or particularly in america, perhaps too obsessed by their theories that divide and conquer kind of theory. no, i think john is a lot more sophisticated than that. when it comes to the privacy, there is no need for china to, to try and separate europe from america. because china look at the world in a totally different approach that by respecting everybody's interest

and to, to look after its own inches to as well. but most importantly, i think that china is presenting to the world as a different kind of global power. no, it's an interesting stuff. that is how this is all playing out. you know, we had of ursula on the land. we had macro visits in china shortly after she simply was here in russia. drinking with was in the u. s. seems to think, well, my call seems to think that the u. s. is using the e as a vasa, as a, as a way to sort of, you know, push the u. s. is terms, do you think there's that could be a possible that you think that could be a possible no advantage for the us if it has the e. u, as as a power piece? well, i think for europe has been understood to be supporting the us or whether it's a willing lay or unwilling lay or, or being held hostage in

a sense that's up to everybody's interpretation. but no, that's why we have you head out. yeah. your interpretation, well fact is the fact that i think europe has been taken hostage in my view or when it comes to the ukrainian conflict, or you know, to, to be all the us side to support you crying in a sales. but i think this trip of president mac wrong in china has reviewed the europeans, or at least mac chrome, being one of the european leaders is coming to his sensors that it should actually look after their own interest. yeah. maybe the point that when they come, when it comes to looking after the ease in we had the by the name, the i r a inflation reduction act by the u. s. u m, as in essence, yes,

taking any business that was in the e. u. and encourage them to go to the united states and open the businesses there. yeah. now if the you see that person of on the land sees that have businesses, energy prices are more expensive in the u. everything's cheaper in ah, them in america. so, i mean, why should the you rick now look to the u. s. when it can probably get cheaper and if it works with his partner in russia, or even though so china, other winds changing? well, absolutely. i think you're right or this is a, a very co correct analysis, because as i always say, facts are facts because inflation is going up in europe. and the cost of energy is going up like crazy over the last year. so it's people's lives. we're talking

about and when you have people that are not happy was what they have the politicians, they're the leaders, we're have to think and to do something about it. so i think sooner or later, and i think this is what's happening now there, reflecting all whether it is right to do what they have been doing over the last year when it comes to looking at the conflict in view. cray and it, you know, when we look at the broader picture, is told me that the us once from the e u. b. a detrimental. so, but that's any organization with, with, by them. but it is you afraid to take, go into battle. they feel like with the u. s. if it does come to taiwan. i don't think so. i think the europe is now thinking more about what they

should do to look after their own interest, because any conflict between china and the u. s. over the issue of taiwan has nothing to do with europe actually. so what's the point of getting involved or offering themselves to, to get involved in any potential conflict, but talking about the, the potential conflict over the issue of taiwan. i think it's not so much of, you know, the people in taiwan or even the microchips in taiwan that the us is looking after . no, i don't think so. it's more of the military industrial complex that these people are more interesting keep stirring up or cooking up some conflicts so that they can make more money. so this is how, you know, american politics went away saying that they're going to stop sending weapons that

are one out of the ukraine. much that will somehow come to a pc. let's hope so. that negotiations go back onto the table again. the, the emergency complex is not going to have any wants to sell arms to. so let's cause trouble in tie one that will say, well, tall one is not the only thing that they're looking at, right? let's look over the last a few decades. or they've been nonstop, there has been a chaos in the middle east in west africa, and now in ukraine. and then perhaps when the crisis in ukraine gets calm down, they're looking for the next swat. no, right. well yeah, money aside as think about somehow save the multi polar world. it's the buzzword, isn't it right now? we're also seeing the enough of the hedge of money with yeah, so the west, the collective west. now we need new partnerships. china has the belt road

initiative, is try make partnerships with a lot of countries around the world. yes. how does, does the you perhaps feel left out? not particularly, i think as long as you countries realize how beneficial things like the belton road could be for them as well. i'm sure they won't like it . and i'll give you an example. take a look at to the u. k, for example, or that is a known to be very much against china in recent years of following america. but when it comes to the asia infrastructure investment bank, u. k, was the 1st european country to have joined. so this actually shows that when countries like that do look after their own interest and see where the opportunities are. they will join. there is no point not to join. if it

means good and betterment of their own country's economy and the lives of their people. why not was interesting, i'm enjoying our conversation. i am on has been given some more time. so i hope you can stay, you know, when i look back about before biden. yeah, really thought sort of obvious. yeah. what trump was. i know he was more of a that's focus on the u. s. policy that's focus on making america great again. yeah, that was the big slogan. he didn't right then when he bought themselves about so much foreign policy by does the flip side. i mean, is this the way we're going in the food? are we looking hands when we say multiple multi polar, i mean as america, the americans going to be all on their own out there in, or will they come to their senses will, will, will, if the government changes. will they finally say the, you know what we were wrong?

okay. at a doubt, they'll say, will we were wrong? but are they likely to say, you know, let's have some sort of conversation where we can all work together. i don't know if this is going to happen, but let's admit that trump, or was an exception or in america or the mainstream. her american politics is not like this. so it's more like, you know, controlling the whole world that no one should ever challenge america's role in the whole world. it's hard for them to accept the fact that other countries are coming up to shear the world in a sense. but talking, as we mentioned, the multi polar world, it is a buzzword, but as to how the multi polar world is going to be governed,

how it's going to be unfolded and what it means for the rest of the world. that something i think all the major players were definitely need to sit down and talk it out. or i, natalie i what one more question for you. that's going to be a tough one. do we think the dollar is gonna be something of the past? the power of the dog is it losing its, its strength? you think of people opting to you know, trade in their own currencies, to make them stronger? will it make a big difference? it's a very interesting question and i, i think in the long run, yes. yes, i'm being with d de la. arising. yes. i think this is a trend or because at the moment of course, dollar is to you, the main currency for global trade, it's prominence is still there, but the trend is there and we are going towards that trajectory that does it have

anything to do with the fact that the us keep raising their debt, see then keep borrowing money, keep printing money. is the value of the dollar, not as ad. i mean, why aren't they talking? why are they talking? you know, complete disaster for the for the car must be complete design must bank. i mean i goes under san a centrally, it should be to him recessions early. absolutely. i think the whole world is changing in, on many fronts because of the technology advancement because of freedom of the media. the transparent, really, the media. yes. very so maker and her, you know, people, more and more people are now realizing how the u. s. economy is functioning like how and how the prince money, how they sell their treasury bonds to keep the american economy going. so basically

the whole world is supporting america. so eventually people will sit down and think, what are we doing? does it really make sense for all of us or we're working so hard wire in the mean time, another country that is printing the money and manipulate our lives and everything . this is not particularly what we are happy with. so i think the d dollarization process is a given, it is a given, you've seen so many countries signing up to said, oh there trade or was local currency or, but i, i would say that the whole process has been triggered very abruptly out of the blue by russia, i did a terrible miss nelson. you know, i want to talk briefly about what the bricks, the a, the brazil, russia, india, china, and south africa where we likely to see additions to the bricks. i mean,

other countries joining these sort of companies to, to make it better world and less fast forward. you and i, a 100 years. yes, i was gonna see to get berlin wall to get in a divide out in. is that going to be a divide, right? the way down the, the world and you're either on my side because remember when this all started, it was, yeah, you have to america's like, you have to do what i say. if you do business with anybody else i want to sanction you. i mean what kind of dictatorship rule is that 100 years for.