ah oh welcome to worlds apart. they hate us, our way of life, our freedom or democracy for they keep that has been the catch all justification for the united states to go to war or to impose sanctions. but little consideration for the cost of the consequences, or at least that was the case until washington moved to sanctioned the entire world and its effort to penalize russia. have them arrogance,

finally bitten off more than they can chew. or to discuss that i'm now and join bias are flanders, an american political writer and an anti war activist. sorry, it's great to talk to. thank you very much for your time. it's good to be here talking. now you've been part of an anti war. i'm anti a sanction group since been 960 is. if we look at the american, the all war expenses are spending over that period of time. what's really interesting that is that it's significantly increased off to the end of the cold war, which the united states, presumably one and the when the history of presumably and then how do you explain such a paradox that the americans chose to stand all that money on the war at the time of that highest historical glory. i'm arguably the most peaceful time that humanity has ever been to. well, the expectation at the end of the cold war is that there would be peace,

the dad that missed the billions and billions spent on war would now finally be used for social programs and desperately needed social programs in the u. s. and that the u. s. around the world would use that money and they reconstruction and help for so many countries. but i, i want to say that there were a small group of people in the us that really felt that the end of the cold war meant a new period of re conquest. and we colonization that the u. s. was driven in the corporate power in the us. i don't mean the population that had such a hope for peace. i mean, the corporations that really are the decision makers with their best think tanks and political apparatus use this as a time to to absolutely consolidate their power in the most brutal way. they

began aggressively the expansion of nato. at the very moment that they had promised that nato would not expand an inch to the east. and it was because they needed a police power in the countries of eastern europe to impose the new, extremely unequal destructive capitalist relations throughout eastern europe. now, you mentioned this an equal and exploited for relationship, and i think the play thought only to some europe. it actually applies all over the world and even more so in the united states because i myself studied there. i know that most americans are very conscientious, hard working. good hearted people who want to do good both to that community into the world to work hard, sometimes struggle to and to make as made. and yet, you know, this,

this message that you have been championing for many decades either doesn't reach them or they don't seem to care. what is that, why do you think the majority of americans don't seem to be you know, responding to the activism of people like yourself? well, one thing right here in the very center of this imperialist system, i mean that is what, what this is corporate power has absolute control of the media of the message, whether it is through the schools and the churches buddy do through every form of media from sports to entertainment and it is a very controlled, contrived message. and it intentionally excludes any real criticism of the system and the way that it functions. so we're up against a propaganda machine. when they go to war,

they are able to demonize over night. have people who know nothing about a country suddenly expert that there is a monster that must be dealt with immediately. and in the same way, i mean, there are breakthroughs that really happen on the dr. pie wall street, the black lives matter movement. there are moments where there is a real breakthrough by millions of people. but for the most part they are able to keep a really tight clamp. there were moments against the iraq war where there was millions in the street opposing that war. of course, corporate power, the been corporations, the think tanks of political establishment refused to listen. they shut it down, they're able to turn it off. the iraq case is probably the most publicized, but then there were many, many cases like this. and in fact, you recently published and, and told you that focuses on the impact of the years sanctions on 40 countries.

that was the one 3rd of the global population. and when you see it all combined, i think the, the most striking thing is not the one, the sort of the extended harmon suffering that it has produced. but the absolute futility of that effort because it doesn't the bring those powers the desired political outcome. why do you think they keep pressing that lever? i mean, over and over again, is it still political to do political to or simply i don't know. i mean to fade is because, i mean, it seems to breathe nothing but suffering. it's intended to breed the suffering and it is intended to challenge any country but tries to exist outside o u. s. corporate control. by putting them off from every access to development. and every ability to feed,

provide medical care education for their own population. even countries that in no way could be a threat to the u. s. take small cuba, so decades under sanctions and blockade. why? because cuba was an example of what revolutionary change could do. and throughout latin america was look to. so it was important for them to start down q, but in every way to make it to make and even to travel to cuba, let alone any sort of exchange with cuba, all but impossible from the us. because for them to but was a bad example. the same thing, tiny, nicaragua is considered a national security threat. can you imagine? i mean, it defies reality yet. it was a threat because they were attempting to make real change for the population. they

declared free education and health care and there are many other examples we tra, listed in your ontology, but it's one thing to attempt to do that when you know that, you know, the entire world will keep financing your dad. but it's no longer the case, and as we know from the recent collapse of, of some american bank in the american financial system is really cheering at the themes. and there are many countries that are diverse and quiet and divesting quietly from the american trade and financial system. and yet the vitamin administration just recently submitted to congress, a record break, breaking bunch of them in the record breaking for military expenditures. how do you understand the logic? because i think it defies common sans because they, the government still needs to finance the, the very modern social programs that exist in the united states. they still need to do that. why are they standing like crazy? this is an empire in decline and decay that is totally bound to one policy.

they have the intellectual and political leadership shaped only push for us dominance. not any sort of collaboration with any country in the world. they have a huge military machine that has to justify its existence every moment. and it is a policy and, and a system that is in real the k is no longer works. and we can see this in the failure of banks. that one is being pulled down is no longer other countries. but the u. s. system, it's a horrible price right here. i, i don't because the system itself is a becoming complete. the system is based, hey, it also is, is like a dresser. regardless of what more, what,

what the needs are cut social programs. so this continues every year, whether democrat or republican. they each make promises. they each and every time they're in office, it's a lobbyist that does do the deciding. ok, well, so we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments station. ah. hi, i'm rick sanchez and i'm here to play with you. whatever you do. do not watch my new show. certainly why watch something that's so different. my list of opinions that you won't get anywhere else. look of it please. i do have the state department,

the cia weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations, to your fax for you. go ahead. i changed and whatever you do, don't want my show stay mainstream because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change the way things operation. the aerodynamic began shortly after world war 2 and lasted almost 3 decades. it wasn't a major effort to try and split the ukraine off from the soviet union, u. s. intelligence together with hypnos, executioners trained hundreds of saboteurs to be deployed and the soviet union is focused on other stuff on there. so well, i'm starting with today's security service of ukraine use is not only the statistic methods, but almost the ideology of the nationalist

a mm. mm hm. well, come back to one of the parts with our flanders to an american political writer, and i'm to more and to sanction activists. i'm sorry, it's not up to a russian to tell the americans how to believe that lives. but i think it's important. you mentioned that your country and the americans. i mean, the ordinary americans are financing of war that is happening very close to, to my home in fact that you know, some of my relatives leave in the ukraine and i know that you have your own of you

on that conflict. how do you see in the larger frame of things will warn ukraine is a proxy war. it's a war against russia. it's a war where the expectation was that russia would collapse under the sheer weight of thousands of sanctions, not only from the us, but from the e. u. and there was the expectation that the whole world would join in, in that us lost sight of their slipping power. and really the great majority of the population of the world did not go along. and most important, china did not go along. didn't go along, i interview many experts from around the world, my line of work and i think nobody, well, very few people support the rushes actions because people don't like an open conflict . that's for sure. but they are very critical if not fully disdainful of the american foreign policy because they see there's not just few child,

they see those extremely dangerous. they think the ankle, sam is not just being stubborn or arrogant. it's being mentally unstable and being dangerous. it's racking, not only in, you know, its own future, but everybody else's teacher do you think that's an exaggeration and do you think people in america understand that? i don't think it's understood in the united states at all? no, i don't think so, but it's extremely dangerous. this is a war. both countries have nuclear weapons. wars can escalate in the snap of a finger. this is extremely dangerous dawn because increasingly the united states can't back up. they can't withdraw. they are committed to a failed policy that is dangerous. and the only way they see of getting out of it is to expand the problem. and that is why to focus on russia and on china.

it seems to lack any saying specs for nation. and yet that is the direction that they're going. and how can i ask you about this tactical for increasing the pressure? because today you have this, the saying and the american english doubling down. we don't have, by the way, a direct translation in either russian or chinese, but essentially means pursuing the same type of policy even though it does not produce the desired outcome. and i think anyone who knows anything about either russia or trying to how they, you know, go around their defenses around spending. it's pretty clear that you know, the, the task of fighting against both of these great powers is that if you trial, i mean like it's, it's impossible. under any scenario, the americans will not get what they want. how long do you think they will pursue?

will they triple down? will they quite triple down and do they have the resources to carry out this kind of an offensive against cube? the other 2 great powers, which seem to be far more calculator for about their spending than the united states is an irrational policy. the u. s. could not prevail against us. dana, stand out, the poorest country and the world, the most divided. lacking any real military force, if they couldn't prevail against afghanistan and how on earth do they think they can take on russia and china? it's, it defies logic. but it is the, the way of using threats in an attempt to maintain their dominance and their dominance is passed is passed in terms of an industrial and gdp banking finance. in every area dollarization,

the dollar no longer exists as supreme. they have not reality. that's dangerous, and it really will take an explosion from below, including in the united states. what's happening in france today is very important because it's a refusal to accept the cutbacks and war that are a direct result of nato's war on in ukraine. you see it being played out in a different way, refusing to accept a pension decrease, but it's really a struggle against what the war has imposed. and the, the economic decline of europe. europe had more powerful, much larger volume of trade with russia than with the u. s, how was he us going to reverse that by this war and the sanctions. they have broken

that very profitable exchange between the e u, especially germany, but also france and russia. they want to break it with china. is a policy that is completely destructive, not only to the united states, also to the european union, under the asterisk where the countries, for example, throughout africa, who rely on the grain and the industry and the oil and, and all of that that comes from russia. so that's why there is a real search, very consciously for new ways of trade and exchange. and as i say, b dollarization, this is now upon us, given what you said about, you know, the american leave being so bad on preserving dominance. do you think they will allow the world to go that way because i mean, everybody understands that it is dangerous to rely on the american financial system . it's not fit is secure anymore. and yeah,

whenever other countries make and that's where it's you, you know, facilitate, facilitate conflict resolution, the united spaces up against that. do you think they will allow the world to leave as it wants to leave? they will not accept this willingly at all, but i think we're really are on the precipice of a complete economic collapse right here in the u. s. banking system is so fragile, which bank will fail next. and we certainly would credit suisse breast swift bank to fail. we can see that the whole economic system is bordering on collapse because these policies are so disastrous and they're not succeeding. ad, the war in ukraine succeeded in its aims. had they been able to destabilize russia and pose regime change, right? russia into pieces, which was their plan. and then they might be on a new role,

a big boom. but that's not what happened. so there is a real economic disaster that is facing us now. now, the countries that are pulling away from the u. s. as a better chance of surviving this collapse. and the new economic relations between russia and china, also with india, with the ran with countries swelled africa, new trade deals in latin america with brazil with other countries. you see this happening everywhere. and countries anxious to trade with each other and even to stark enemies. now, many of my questions and comments may, may seem anti american or contentious, and i don't want him don't to sound this way because i actually, i admire many things about the united states, the people, you know, culture, many things about the society, how people can come together and organize the grassroots afterwards. and i think

the americans were extremely fortunate. i mean, historically, economically, socially they, they, they were given an amazing civilizational chance to both excelled themselves and to hopefully help others do that in a fair way. do you think that chance is fully wasted or do you think it's still can be salvaged? what is the kind of america that can exist? the ones this he york of corporations and imperialism is removed? well, once it's removed, both the technology, the industrial base, sincere, could liberate the world. us agriculture could feed the world as can russia has can even there was kimberlia itself. it's a, it's a rather dangerous track. i mean, for the americans to always think about background, also i speak to many africans and they don't want to be fat. they want to grow

their own crops. and it's not monsanto crop that they want to grow. they want to grow something that's natural and sustainable. that's absolutely true, that's, that's such a good point. i think there is a capacity to solve all the problems that humanity is facing today, especially the environmental, the climate. this is bearing down upon us to sol. these problems if we could get this monster off our back of the military industrial complex as it's called it's a. ready acts silly acts in conjunction with the media with the banks. it's a whole longer are and it's very, very powerful. but it will take really a huge and enormous change coming from below the break. this breakthrough with it. and that's, and there are many people in the us involved in it. they're made to look small and marginalized. they're always underestimated as the us underestimates its opponents

around the world. they underestimate movements within the us. and we should just be aware of that. their role is to appear all powerful to the world to never allow voices of descent to really come through. and yet that opposition is there and is growing particularly among the youth. go don't buy the so called american dream and also understand that this country. yes, great potential, great population, but it was also built on the, the trade of african people, the and flavor meant the genocide of the indigenous population. it has a very brutal history in common sounding days. and we shouldn't forget that, because if we're going to build a new world, we have to really have reparations for the crimes of the past. we have to identify

the enormous inequality and injustice and crimes of the past that's, that's important and crimes against the world. the crimes against the population right here. well, that's american to, to do. i think the only thing i'm concerned about the americans finally learn how to leave and left leave their world is we will be a better and safer place after that. we have to leave it there, but i agree. they appreciate your conversation today. thank you very much for that . thank you. are very thoughtful and thank you for watching. i hope to hear again on was i with.

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