tv Worlds Apart RT April 11, 2023 10:30pm-10:59pm EDT
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historical glory am arguably, and the most peaceful time that humanity has ever been to. well, the expectation at the end of the cold war is that there would be a peace dividend that this the billions and billions spent on war would now finally be used for social programs, desperately needed social programs in the u. s. and that the u. s. around the world would use that money in the reconstruction and help for so many countries. but i want to say that there were a small group of people in the us that really felt that the end of the cold war meant a new period of re conquest. and we colonization that the u. s. was driven in the corporate power in the us. i don't mean the population that had such a hope for peace. i mean, the corporations that really are the decision makers with their vast,
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think tanks and political apparatus use this as a time to to absolutely consolidate their power in the most brutal way. they began aggressively the expansion of nato. at the very moment that they had promised that nato would not expand an inch to the east. and it was because they needed a police power in the countries of eastern europe to impose the new, extremely unequal destructive capitalist relations throughout eastern europe. now, you mentioned this an equal and exploited for relationship and i think it applies not only to some europe that actually applies all over the world and even more so in the united states because i myself studied there. i know that most americans are very conscientious, hard working. good hearted people who, you know,
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want to do good both to that communities into the world who work hard, sometimes struggle to and to make as me. and yet, you know, this, this message that you have been championing for many decades either doesn't reach them or they don't seem to care. what is that, why do you think the majority of americans don't seem to be, you know, responding to the activism of people like yourself? well, one thing right here in the very center of this imperialist system, i mean that is what, what this is corporate power has absolute control of the media of the message, whether it is through the schools and the churches, but it is through every form of media from sports to entertainment. and it is a very controlled, contrived message. and it intentionally excludes any real
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criticism of the system and the way that it functions. so we're up against a propaganda machine. when they go to war, they're able to demonize over night. have people who know nothing about a country suddenly expert that there is a monster that must be dealt with immediately. and in the same way, i mean, there are breakthroughs that really happen on the dr. pie wall street, the black lives matter movement. there are moments where there is a real breakthrough by millions of people. but for the most part they are able to keep are really tight clamp. there were moments against the iraq war where there was millions in the street opposing that war. of course, corporate power, the big corporations, the think tanks of political establishment refused to listen. they shut it down,
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they're able to turn it off. the ref case is probably the most publicized, but then there were many, many cases like this. and in fact, you recently published and, and told you that focuses on the impact of the, your sanctions on 40 countries. that was the one 3rd of the global population. and when you see the combined, i think the most striking thing is not the one, the sort of the extended harm and suffering that it has produced. but the absolute futility of that effort because it doesn't hard to bring those power the desires, political outcome. why do you think they keep pressing that lever? i mean, over and over again, is it still political to do political to or simply i don't know. i mean to say it is because it seems to breathe nothing but suffering. it's intended to breed suffering. and it is intended to challenge any country or tries to exist
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outside of us corporate control by cutting them off from every access to development. and every ability to feed, provide medical care education for their own population. even countries that in no way could be a threat to the u. s. take small cuba, so decades under sanctions and blockade. why? because cuba was an example of what revolutionary change could do. and throughout latin america was looked to. so it was important for them to start down q, but in every way to make it to make and even to travel to cuba, let alone any sort of exchange with cuba, all but impossible from the us. because we're them. cuba was a bad example. the same thing, tiny, nicaragua is considered a national security threat. can you imagine?
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i mean, it defies reality yet. it was a threat because they were attempting to make real change for the population. they declared free education and health care. and then there are many other examples we tra, listed in your and told you, but it's one thing to attempt to do that one, you know, that, you know, the entire world will keep financing your dad. but it's no longer the case. and as we know from the recent collapses of the, of some american bank, you know, the american financial system is really cheering at the themes. and there are many countries that are diverse and quiet and divesting quietly from the american trade and financial system. and yet the vitamin administration just recently submitted to congress a record, brady, braking budget. i mean the record breaking for military expenditures. how do you understand that logic? because i think it defies common sense because the government still needs to finance the,
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the very modern social programs that exist in the united states. they still need to do that. why are they spending like crazy? this is an empire in decline and decay that is totally bound to one policy. they have the intellectual and political leadership shaped to only push for us dominance. not any sort of collaboration with any country in the world. they have a huge military machine that has to justify its existence every moment. and it is a policy and, and a system that is in real the k is no longer works. and we can see this in the failure of banks. that one is being pulled down is no longer other countries, but the u. s. system itself, and we are paying a terrible price right here in the united states today was $1.00 of the lowest
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levels of health care incident mortality. women's much maternity. you look at any of the figures that the u. s. is behind every other industrial country in the world. i actually ask you about that because this is something that i've never really understand. i mean, if you look at structurally of the american bunch of military stanley spending and that's servicing the 2 biggest articles the, the government spending upon. and as you mentioned, many of the social services maternity leave, you know, public health care, free education, employment protections. you know, those things that are considered basic in many other countries. you know, the american package compared to that is very, very modest. and you have many americans are still absolutely convinced of the superiority of the system. what is the believe based on why are the american so convinced the the, you know,
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the system is the best them that it needs to be imposed on. so others i don't know that they're so convinced. i know that the media has only one line that this is the best possible world and the richest possible world and the best standard of living . and it's repeated relentlessly. at the same time that poverty is growing. opposition is not. there is every effort to contain it to keep it from breaking through. it is breaking through and it will in big explosive changes, but not in a way that is reasonable or rational. because the system itself is becoming completely ossified. it is committed to military spending. the entire profit ability of the system is based on supporting the largest corporations which were military corporations. and the constant
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debt service is for past wars and military budgets. so the 2 biggest expenditures are the, is gone gas, sherwin military also is, is like a drug. it can feel real good in the beginning. it pumped up the u. s. economy for decades enabled them to get out of recessions. a big infusion of money in no longer works that way. there's no profit to be made in social programs. it's not the same rate of profit that there is in mill chosen. so the money goes to the military because it's profitable for the, those who are really powerful, control the levers of power and the huge lobbying control the, the donations to the politicians. it's the military corporations. and so, no matter how progressive a politician may seem, they will vote time after time raise their hand for the military budget. every year
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the military budget expands at a rate of about 10 percent, regardless of what more, what, what the needs are. and at the same time, they will cut social programs because they say they have to balance the budget. so this continues every year, whether democrat or republican, they each made promises. they each and every time they're in office. it's a lobbyist that does do the deciding. ok, well sir, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments station. ah ah, sometimes the law of unintended consequences kicks in with a vengeance take,
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i welcome back to one of the parts 1st are blunders to an american political writer and to more and to sanction activists. sorry, it's not up to russian to tell the americans how to take their lives. but i think it's important you mentioned that your country and the americans in the ordinary americans are financing a war that is happening very close to my home. in fact, you know, some of my relatives believe in your brain and i know that you have your own view on that conflict. how do you see in the larger frame of things? well to warn ukraine is a proxy war. it's a war against russia. it's a war where the expectation was that russia would collapse under the sheer weight
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of thousands of sanctions, not only from the us, but from the e. u. and there was the expectation that the whole world would join in, in that us lost sight of their slipping power. and really the great majority of the population of the world did not go along. and most important, china did not go along, but i didn't go along. i interview many experts from around the world, the sort of my line of work. and i think nobody, well, very few people support the rushes actions because people don't like an open conflict. that's for sure. but they are very critical if not fully disdainful of the american foreign policy because they see as not just a few child. they see it as extremely dangerous. they think the ankle, sam, is not just being stubborn or arrogant. it's being mentally unstable and being dangerous. it's racking, not only, and you know, it's all teacher, but everybody else's teacher do you think that's an exaggeration and do you think
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people in america understand that? i don't think it's understood in the united states at all? no, i don't think so, but it's extremely dangerous. this is a war. both countries have nuclear weapons. wars can escalate in the snap of a finger. this is an extremely dangerous dawn because increasingly the united states can't back up. they can't withdraw. they are committed to a failed policy that is dangerous. and the only way they see of getting out of it is to expand the problem. and that is why to focus on russia and on china. it seems to lack any saying explanation. and yet that is the direction that they're going. and how can i ask you about this tactical for increasing the pressure? because today you have this,
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the saying and the american english doubling down. we don't have, by the way, a direct translation in either russian or chinese, but essentially it means pursuing the same type of policy even though it does not produce the desired outcome. and i think anyone who knows anything about either russia or try and how they, you know, go around the defenses around the spending. it's pretty clear that you know, the task of fighting against both of these great powers is if you trial, i mean like it's, it's impossible. under any scenario, the americans will not get what they won. how long do you think they were pursued? will they triple down? will they quite triple down and do they have the resources to carry out this kind of an offensive against cube? the other 2 great powers which seem to be far more calculated for about their spending than the united states. ringback is an irrational
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policy. the u. s. could not prevail against us. dana, stand out, the poorest country and the world, the most divided, lacking any real military force. if they couldn't prevail against afghanistan, how on earth do they think they can take on russia and china? it's, it defies logic, but it is, though the way of using threats contain their dominance and their because you have a very and it really way refusing to accept russia than with the u. s. i was he, us going to reverse that by this war. and the sanctions, they have no ro can, that very profitable exchange between the e u, especially germany, but also france and russia. they want to break it with china. it is a policy that is completely destructive, not only to the united states,
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also to the european union asterisk, where the countries, for example, throughout africa who rely on the grain and the industry and the oil and, and all of that that comes from russia. so that's why there is a real search, very consciously for new ways of trade and exchange. and as i say, be dollarization. this is now upon us, given what you said about, you know, the american leave being so banned on preserving dominance. do you think they will allow the world to go that way because i mean, everybody understands that it is dangerous to rely on the american financial system . it's not secure anymore. and yeah, whenever other countries make an effort to, you know, facilitate, facilitate conflict resolution, the united spaces up against that. do you think they will allow the world to leave as it wants to leave?
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they will not accept this willingly at all, but i think we are really are on the precipice of a complete economic collapse right here in the us. the banking system is so fragile, which bank will fail next. and we certainly would credit suisse breast swift bank to fail. we can see that the whole economic system is bordering on collapse because these policies are so disastrous and they're not succeeding. ad the war and ukraine succeeded in it's aimed, had they been able to destabilize russia and pose regime change rake russia into pieces, which was their plan. then they might be on a new role, a big boom. but that's not what happened. so there is a real economic disaster that is facing us now. now, the countries that are pulling away from the u. s. as
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a better chance of surviving this collapse. and the new economic relations between russia and china, also with india, with the ram, with countries swelled africa, new trade deals in latin america with brazil with other countries. you see this happening everywhere. and countries anxious to trade with each other and even to stark enemies. now, many of my questions and comments may, may seem anti american or contentious, and i don't want him don't to sound this way because i actually, i admire many things about the united states, the people, you know, culture, many things about the society, how people can come together and organize the grassroots afterwards. and i think the americans were extremely fortunate. i mean, historically, economically, socially they, they, they were given an amazing civilizational chance to both excel themselves and to hopefully help others do that in
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a fair way. do you think that chance is fully wasted or do you think it's still can be salvaged? what is the kind of america that can exist, the ones, this york of corporations and imperialism is removed? well, once it's removed, both the technology, the industrial base, sincere, could liberate the world. us agriculture could feed the world as can russia has can even there was kimberlia itself. it's a, it's a rather dangerous track. i mean, for the americans to always think about background also j, i speak to many africans and they don't want to be fat. they want to grow their own crops. and it's not monsanto crop that they want to grow. they want to grow something that's natural and sustainable. that's absolutely true. that's, that's such a good point. i think there is a capacity to solve all the problems that humanity is facing today,
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especially the environmental, the climate. this is bearing down upon us to solve these problems if we could get this monster off our back of the military industrial complex as it's called it. ready acts silly acts in conjunction with the media with the banks. it's a whole logger. ah, and it's very, very powerful. but it will take really a huge and enormous change coming from below. the break this to break through with it. and that's, and there are many people in the us involved in it. they're made to look small and marginalized. they're always underestimated as the us underestimates its opponents around the world. they underestimate movements within the us. and we should just be aware of that. their role is to appear all powerful to the world to never allow
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voices of descent to really come true. and yet that opposition is there and is growing particularly among the youth. go don't by the so called american dream. and also who understand that this country? yes, great potential, great population, but it was also built on the, the trade of african people, the and flavor meant the genocide of the indigenous population. it has of hurry, brutal history and commit sounding days. and we shouldn't forget that, because if we're going to build a new world, we have to really have reparations for the crimes of the past. we have to identify the enormous inequality and injustice and crimes of the past that's, that's important and crimes against the world. the crimes against the population right here. well, tara, that's american to,
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to do. i think the only thing i'm concerned about the americans finally learn how to leave and left leave their world is we will be a better and safer place after that. we have to leave it there, but i agree, they appreciate your conversation today. thank you very much for that. thank you. very thoughtful and thank you for watching whole this here again on was i with me. ah ah,
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a war with dell set of rules that dealership. and that notion is my dog. i see it that i see you at the west thinking possibly as to what i mean. who if so i used to be sure ye, could you stuff for the garage with only the still foolish or in your sewage? there are secrets, the girl who's with hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . sometimes the law of unintended consequences kicks in with a vengeance take, for example, washington's addiction of sanctioning countries around the world for short term
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