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virginia in a diabolical ethnic cleansing process. the mergers were particularly horrific, and brutal villages were burned and property looted. the valinda massa is without doubt one of the bloodiest episodes in polish ukrainian history. my al ukrainian politician, still reluctant to talk about these events, how to modern day ukraine and poland view this tragedy of the past. and why does the memory of aline, us to divide people ah, with hello and welcome to cross soccer. all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, french president microns visit the china has the atlantis is world an neocons of

all stripes in an uproar. instead of being a mere cutaway in service of washington, the french president actually stood up for his own country and europe. but his micron a buck short and a day late. ah, rachel, let me go to you, person bank over. thank you. i know it's an ungodly hour there right now, but you know, i think you've known me pan of the french president mc chrome. but what he had to say in beijing, what he said subsequently from our rear, with the fact that he walked away from your calls for china made by airbus and the doubling of the of the assembly and production in china for airbus. so i'm sure that did absolutely nothing, it's ways opinion that made it good to keep that relationship with china, particularly in lay the fact that europe has got nothing by greece from the united states, even though it's gone along with everything. and in terms of washington's agenda and ukraine, for example, of it, your cut off cheap brush. yes. which fueled it's,

it's whole economy essentially an industrial base. and what a, get in return really expensive. allen g, liquefied natural gas from washington at $3.00 to $4.00 times the price asked her michael's own words and he went over there to washington and talked about all this to our makers last december and even said, look, you have this new biden's inflation reduction act as well, which is ready, protectionist against european industry. so that's going to harm us. the expense of energy are sending us now in lieu of the russia. yes, that we cut ourselves off. if you please, you guys is killing us. so he goes over to china and oh, suddenly it's starting to look pretty good guy. he darks on the board economically speaking at a time when inflation is skyrocketing in europe, and they're facing all these other problems because of the u. s. and it's agenda and the blow back from that. so suddenly in light of all that he, he is suddenly miraculously singing the praises of strategic european autonomy. i

think that's the context we're looking for. well, you know, i did that and that's the term i wanted to bring that up in the program and this, this strategic autonomy will anthony, what does that mean to you? because my criticism of a crown is that he does say the right thing some times. but he doesn't really always act in the same way. now rachel brought up the tray deal that he got with airbus that's. that's really good for france here. but there's, i don't see a whole lot of consistency here. he's very, very on board with washington's agenda. and his rachel is just shown us here. i don't see what the french and the europeans really get out of it, but they keep, continue to do it. as matter fact, european leads compete for washington's favor, for what return i don't know. but so what, in your mind, what does this strategic autonomy mean because it's just to phrase, to me, go ahead anthony. i agree. i mean, i think on one level i see is just a phrase, but on another i wonder if there's a recognition that, you know, let's face for the better part of a generation. it was

a unipolar world. the united states basically said, here's how it's going to go and either gotten line or you face the consequences, which china ascending now, especially as an economic power becoming more and more a player on the, on the military stage as well. the bells did road initiative perhaps being the signature economic initiative. i think suddenly you're looking at countries, particularly in europe that are saying, well wait a minute. do we have to play the u. s. lead game into perpetuity or is there another option for us out there and at the same time and i don't know if the timing perhaps. b is coincidental, but don't forget to you've got that latest set of leaked documents in the united states, which although might seem tangential to the conversation is another example. and micron certainly remembers this as certainly if you were going to talk to angle of myrtle, she tell you the same thing in the u. s. spies on its allies. that's something that when it happens, the americans refuse to really take, excuse me,

take or acknowledge it and try instead to, to, to, to deflect criticism the other way. so i wonder if what's basically happening is the europeans are saying, hey, wait a minute, we can deal with you over here, but we can also do with you over here. yeah. well, and, and rachel, it's, it's something that hasn't been mentioned and all the noise that you, particularly politicos seems always b. i head of everyone on this. i don't think that's a coincidence. ok. i think i think they play a very strategic role in channeling information. but you know, the criticism of mac crown, but you know, at the same time, they're blowing up the north stream pipelines. i mean, i think some people can europe, thing, these americans, they're, they're more than crazy and they don't care about down here at a more on a more sober note. rachel. i mean, do you think that there's a sense of causality here? is that what is ukraine? i'm sorry. what is france getting out of this whole endeavor and ukraine, and i'll be americans are talking about taiwan. i think that you know,

mac chrome saying look, you know, we went out this one. we have no say and what's going on, the washington doesn't want to negotiate. it ended this conflict and they're in there, brewing up something in taiwan. i think mccomb is saying, look, we went with you on ukraine. we're not getting the thing out of it. we're getting negative returns actually, and now you want to bring us in to take on a made our major trading partner here. maybe it's just, you know, out of desperation, is it? because over the last year and a half, what has the us done per europe? what is us done for france? i can't list one thing, rachel. yeah, well, i think france has been looking to see what it can get out of this whole conflict since the beginning of the conflict. if anything, in the same way that washington has found a way to ramp up its military industrial complex with weapons for ukraine as a result of, you know, being able to justify more spending in the defense budget and more profits for shareholders. of those big,

big companies in the us military industrial complex. so recently france is kind of you'd into that and they said well, okay, well the e u is now a lot, a 2000000000 euros for weapons for ukraine. and there's a bit of cat fight happening right now within the e u, and it's kind of come to a head this week and it's between bras, which is arguing we should be able to use bass funding for your ukrainian weapons in the e to produce done in the u and france obviously would be a huge beneficiary of that, since it is the big weapons production above producer in europe. and on the other hand, you have the prime minister mateus more wiki in poland. he saying no, um we shouldn't be able to use that in the e. it should be able to be used everywhere. well, that's hardly surprising because he's basically acting as the big advocate for washington right now within the e u and is, oh, is that the beneficiary of american weapons?

so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that he might just be advocating in favor of spending e, you money on the military, industrial complex in the u. s. that france is trying to get something out of that . because really, as you mentioned, peter france really hasn't gotten anything out of this whole thing so far. it will it, anthony, you know, or if there is a french politician in history that i'm a great admirer of and it's charles de gaulle, i think he was a great, a great, you're a great for french to president a great european leader and an inspiration all the way to this day, because he did say, when talking about the united states, he said, allied but not aligned. i think he's being proven right. still again. okay. and, and this is what i think micron is actually crying to get out. and you know what i agree with, you know, and, and there's another issue about the, this whole military us military effort in afghanistan. you have to admit it did not end well. and so as a result, now you look at, you know,

what's going on in ukraine, you're frustrate 15 months into this military conflict. there's been billions upon billions of dollars in military weapons spent. and we basically reached perhaps a slog, perhaps where we're at that dreaded you gain a little bit. i gain a little bit at the end of the day. not much happens. in other words, you've got a lot of people. i think justifiably saying, wait a minute, this whole military industrial complex that rachel, it had a minute ago. where exactly has this proven effective because us engaging in recent military conflicts has not gone well, has damage the, the u. s. name around the world as damage that the notion of democracy around the world. and i think again, it is yet another layer to the conversation that says, as you suggested, yes, we can be friends with, with your, with you. but maybe we don't want to walk lock step with you and everything that you choose to do. well, rachel, i mean we, we had the, the,

the 20th anniversary of the illegal invasion of iraq. and so when you have anthony blank and talking about the virtues of democracy in a ta, crazy. i mean, he's laughed out of the room in most serious places in the world right now. and, and that, you know, and so in france is a serious country. ok, and it's no longer is, is playing along with his ridiculous shirad. rachel, that will you mention shuffled the girl, the farmer, french president. and he famously take the americans out of france in the wake of the 2nd world war. and when let them hang out indefinitely, like they still are in germany, which obviously was a smart thing to do at the time. he also pulled france out of nato, and they were, were he integrated into nato strategic command until for a french president? nicholas ac was he took over in 2007 and it's been a, i have a disaster ever since former president jacques chirac was very good. he says, we say so he's a big disciple and follower of shall the good and you know,

he had the foresight and the strategic mindset and knowing history and knowing what, because position wise and what the americans could potentially pull your of into e kat, france rightly so out of that war in iraq, the word i great dr. i have to jump in here. actually have to go to a short break. that's about short break. we'll continue our discussion. lemme crohn's visit to china state. ah, ah lou needs to come to russian state total. never. i've stayed on the most. i'm skiing with

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with elyssa shantell assuming in the modem, which we think will ah welcome back to cross stock where all things are considered on peter level to remind you we're discussing, the crowns visit to china with . okay, let's go back to anthony in pittsburgh, mac. crohn's visit to china was, was, it was only a weeks before that. you know, china has been on the diplomatic stage as a peacemaker, as a mediator, as a, as a piece of a piece maker. and then crohn's visit was kind of the icing on the cake for a lot of the neocons in the west, particularly for the nato world. when china, you know, you don't have to agree with its domestic politics or anything like that. but i

mean, it, you know, when it's engaging the world with a ran saudi arabia, syria, a lot of these in practical problems, we've witness over the last decade or much longer. and then you have a 3rd power that comes in is, and it's importantly doesn't take aside. and this is what you know the, the global south is saying is that, you know, here, here's an outsider with a whole lot of cloud. no one doubts that. and you know, a britain bringing peace and lowering of tensions can be done on the west, doesn't like that. so 1st time in 500 years, a non european western power is come on the stage and such force. this is, it's making them very, very anxious. but crohn's trip was just an irritant, because he does it. he's not staying in line that what's irritates them, but the, the, on the, on a broader scale. as rachel pointed out, such a major business deal wasn't with an american company. was of the chinese company. this is what's bothering leaders in the west. go ahead, anthony. no,

you're absolutely right. and then i go back to something that we talked about just just a few minutes ago. you know, for the better part of the generation, the u. s. told you what the world is going to be and what it often was a commitment to democracy, a commitment to the western definition of democracy, the western definition of human rights. and so, and so on, down the line. china is coming in and saying, look, let's talk business. if you could run your domestic politics the way you want, let's talk business. and for especially the developing world, this sounds good because, you know, you're not putting in perhaps a cliched example. many these countries look and they say, you're not putting strings on what we want to do. it's an attractive message to that part of the world. you know, maybe maybe it's going to be considered the outlier if, if we're supposed to be friends here. but you know, what are we getting out of? it's your business. we want to talk business. no strings attached. and it a lot of cases that's working out very well for the chinese. and as you're and

you're actually right and very frustrating for the americans. well, you know, right to the, the problem is with i have with that with a western foreign policy led by the united states. and it's, it's always this kind of fake moral play, which i find very, very irritating because it doesn't solve any problems. okay. i mean, it, you know, i talk or see democracy. i mean, you know, we can go and have a beer, i guess, and talk about that. but it's not going to change anything. ok. and what, you know, what the, what importantly and micron agreed with his chinese counterpart, which really i irritated, and the neocons in the west is that, you know, you know, you know, in this conflict in ukraine has to be resolved with every one security interests. ok. everyone, and that's why we have this mess in the 1st place. i don't want to go off the path to wildly here. but i mean that with the whole point is, is that everybody wants security. everyone has to make secure compromises for everyone else's. how you go about doing it, and that's again,

the chinese approach with it's so called peace plan. it's not really a piece plan. it's basically, you know, laying the lay, lay of the land on how to move forward here. and it's all about security. but if you link it, listen to blink, and it's all about your moral character. rachel? yeah, well, i think all of this moral kind of lecturing, and i think it's all just really convenient cover for a us. i mean, maybe they think that if enough people hear that everything is really good weld, then they'll think that there's a means to an end. but it, for, for whatever reason, the u. s. in all of its foreign military interventions has never been able to really parlay the chaos into all the good will that they keep proclaiming they can't translate the, the war action to economic stability,

action that they seem to, to really want it gets lost in translation somewhere along the way, and yet here we have china, which is just decided, hey, maybe we'll just leave the chaos part. oh, and just go in and make some deals. and the only real response that we hear from the west to that is oh, watch out. it's a debt trap. what is the i m f guys that what's the eye on that one of these i enough loans that honestly not a debt trap. right? and chairman has painstakingly responded to that accusation said, look, no, you know this, they showed many times over and i'm sure the audience to see examples of this, some in various articles online as well that no, i mean there's, there's no real debt trap involved. and yet nobody in the west actually says, well, you know the ins, which by the way is extending funding to ukraine now already is very quick to get in there and set up by that tra exactly that. and china saying, look, know we're,

we're trying things a different way, which really, i mean, it blows my mind that the west with all its brain, suppose a brain power, a best and brightest, couldn't come up with that in the 1st place. why we always go through chaos yet to stability while we just start with ability and business steals. tom tried that approach and he didn't. well, i mean, and you're h o e e g, a lot in love em or hate him. at least he didn't start a new war. i mean, that's a point in it. i'm sorry, that's a boy. yeah. it's a boy in his corner. young. right? you're looking for we of that's it. go ahead. anthony. glad, jumping. keep a point here in mind to, you know, 2 presidents and the very beginnings of their term. barack obama went to the middle east and essentially said, look, i apologize for what my predecessor did. here in the united states, there was a sizable amount of population, especially on the right and especially in the military world, but,

but that was side of weakness abiding, begin, begins his presidency with a at the 1st real high stakes meeting is with boynkin ants and multiple members of the u. s. government meeting shit, their chinese counterparts in anchorage. it begins with a lecture from blank in that the chinese basically turn around and say, oh, you're not gonna, you're not going to, to lecture us that, that sort of lecturing is seen as a strength in the united states. my point being, if you start playing to domestic audiences as, as the, you know, 2 presidents attempted to do this notion of, of being a peacemaker of trying to say, hey, look, we want to be a better actor than perhaps we've been in the past. too many quarters in this country right now, especially with the divine electorate that we have that seen as being weak and seen as cow town to, to whatever country or whatever part of the world you want to look at. and yet,

the, the ability for the united states to walk in because of its economic powers because of its military might to be able to walk in with a serious, believable, credible message that says, wait a minute. let's try to come up with solutions. the challenge with, with presenting a message that way is that there's so much history in which countries look at and say, yeah, wait a minute, where's? well they, i am connecting to rugby to come out. we have an anthony who in, you know, who blew up of the north stream pipelines. okay. you know, i mean, the world, this is a story that just continues around the world that you won't hear it in european and america. i mean, i, german media, they couldn't even talk about it. how bad things are rates i want to go back to something you said, i think is so very important. and if we compare with the chinese are doing, is that the chinese are not lecturing anyone about, you know, how country should behave and say, why don't we just take a baseline, let's see on the un charter. maybe we should use that as a baseline. okay?

that is, that says, smart way of approaching things right now, instead of saying, well, we, you talked to that country and, and we're not supposed to talk to that. i mean, that's like high school. it's like being in the cafeteria and high school. but, you know, mean girl stuff here. i mean, and i'm glad going full circle that mccrory this i actually saying it was better. you know, it's better for us as a frenchman to have a better relationship with china. and the americans are not going to be the ones that are be calling the shots. i mean, he said it will see what the actions are going to be. rachel. yeah, it just blows my mind that eviler, especially the neocons, which obviously that part isn't surprising. they're upset whenever anybody deviates from their particular agenda, whether it's foreign or domestic. but it blows on mind that he will actually say that what michael is saying here is like he's touching some kind of a taboo. 3rd rail in french politics. i mean that was pretty much the status quo in french politics for decades. and he's just kind of trying to bring things back to.

um, i like a more reasonable position because it just seems like um, everybody just really needs to calm down right now. nobody's thinking too clearly on the u. s. is just kind of dragging everyone along on this adventure and europe's riding shotgun. and they haven't really thought this through. and i mean, we've been talking about this all along where it, where the darts on the board, where the winds for europe. and i think the reality is slowly starting to set in, in the starting to sober up a bit rate. so i have a question. i have a question for you. one minute we have left your windshield. how much is mc chrome thinking about his legacy? i mean i, i can't really say because i don't know the guy and i, it was in the wildly and your point, the reason i bring it up is that, you know, he's really gone on to a 3rd rail here. okay. i mean, he didn't, you know, he didn't have to do that. he could just ride along like everybody else. okay. but

he suddenly stout up and said something different. i just have to wonder if he's good. he's worried about how history he's going to remember him. 30 seconds rachel, go ahead. i could be because this is his last term. so he has, i guess, 5 years left now to kind of make his mark and all that's really been on the cards for him so far as then the screen from one crisis to another. and he's just been an a reactive mode responding to everything, whether it's co vetter or the economics or ukraine and, and i think in this fight he might want to put his stamp on something. yeah, i think that could be the case law. but again, i mean michael is very good. i think this is really important to underscore who's very good at what the french call let all men tell. in other words, this is true and also that is and back. but you know, it, which now i would like them about here. we have those that's a perfectly, that's a perfect way to end the program. or i think my guess and vancouver and in

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