ah ah, public sanchez, you know, i've been doing news now for 30 years and 2 languages around the world and here in the united states, i've interviewed for presidents, founded a 1000000000 dollar business. i think new should be honest and direct and impactful . that's why we call this direct impact. ah, okay, here we go. the case against the of new york versus donald trump is on. and here's the very latest. the former president's chief tormentor i. e prosecutor, ivan bragg, has spelled out what the evidence is that he plans to use against mr. trump. and it

appears it has a lot to do with this dude. this man, you see right here that is alan weisel. burke used to be the money man for mr. trump's company. however, last year he was indicted for a grand larceny and tax fraud for failing to pay taxes on compensation that he received for cars, apartments, and private schools for his grandchildren. weisel burg, according to prosecutors was also part of the plan to pay off porn star stormy daniels by disguising the payoff as a legal expense because of that. why? so birds actions and maybe his testimony will be used to prove that the payoff to stormy daniels was not just a misdemeanor, but rather a felony which could bring about potential potential prison time for the president . ok, here is the prosecutor here is alvin brag,

describing or talking about the case and talking specifically about the evidence that he says they will use against a former present. so the, the charge is false. fine. business records are the charge requires as i, as i specify, ah, caught criminal conduct that was concealed one of the concealed crimes we alleged is new york state election law. i went through in our statement, faxed, i think any of you have in front of, you know, goes through things including text, messages, e mails, contemporaneous phone records, multiple witnesses, all of that will be, as you saw in the fall, a born out in a public court room in downtown man, born out, in other words, we don't know what the evidence is. we don't know is going to testify, but he says he's got the goods. well, mr. bragg also says that mr. trump's actions became a felony when he attempted and this is what they need to prove. remember this, this is important in this case. when mr. trump attempted to hide what he was

doing, but it's not just about $1.00 payment, it is 30 for business records. ah, 34 false statements and business records, and we're concealing for let's get to what mr. trump has to say. ah, he's denying any wrong doing and connection with the payment to daniels and has called the investigation they politically motivated, which shut in fact, just after being indicted, the former president invited friends and supporters to his mar lago, a state where he compared the indictment against him. to a litany of previous attacks against him. oh, the only room with ha

meeting with me, with a non smoker, investigating russian russian green impeachment open up a wall and peach care with the illegal unconstitutional laid on a b in a state. now i should also mention this because this has now become part of the story as well. it is not customary for a defendant to attack prosecutors or even criticize the judge after being charged with a crime. mr. trump is obviously no ordinary defendant. the former president has always been known to hit back and hit back heart of his opponents. however,

this time he is doing it not just as a president or former president, but as a criminal defendant and that say some legal experts and scholars could lead to a potential face off down the line with the judge. and we're going to talk a bit about that as well. so to talk about this, we are joined now by our shed, all star panels. steve gill is an attorney in the ceo about gil media, nashville, tennessee. also joining us is attorney and the executive director of the rainbow, push coalitions, peach, tree street project in atlanta, georgia. robert patillo. my thanks to both of you gentlemen, for being with us. you know, what i think this is coming down to. certainly, if not in the legal case, in the court of public opinion, whether the former president really had as alvin bragg called it a scheme, or whether he was just trying to get away from an embarrassing situation that he didn't want his wife to find out about steve, let's begin with you a or

b. but well, 1st of all, i think a brag is right. what he says, this is an unusual situation. you made the point that he's talking about the case as a criminal defendant, but it's an unusual case that you have a prosecutor who ran campaign ads running for the job, claiming he would get a specific individual without knowing the facts without knowing any details without even having the basis to do so, it was a campaign promise and a political partisan prosecution. and then the other side is when he's criticizing the judge, it's also unusual that you would have a judge that was retained in a case who has donated to his opponent, spoken out against that opponent, has a daughter who works for the opponent and a wife who's trash them on twitter and other social media. so yeah, it's unusual that this case is even proceeding in a counselor or is that a robert fair criticism of both the prosecutor in this case and the judge knows not knows, not at all. and i think if you look at any criminal defense case,

if you look into donations, are we looking to campaign answer put out there? you know, they're planning prosecutors who campaign on what we're gonna get rid of the drugs and the gangs in our community. the drug dealers and gang members don't dare to say, well look, they said they were gonna get rid of the drug dealers and gang member. so of course this is a political prosecution against me. busy look at the evidence that will put out there leave fundamental question of did donald trump falsified business documents? pretty clearly. yes. did donald trump's been a $130000.02 pay off one corner store and a $150000.02 pay of another port store than $30000.00? 0, to pay off a dormant about an illegitimate child? yes he did. those things were these things done temporarily in a way that would suggest that it was to influence the luncheon that you're paying or her parents are 20 to 40 lunch. and then yes, that makes that nets is there to be, argue to a jury. so instead of republicans talking about what donald trump did or did not do whether not he violated the law, the create lead khaki, mainly conspiracy theory to talk about. well, the judge gave $35.00 to

a campaign at one point in time. therefore, we shouldn't prosecute as president for the crimes. we openly admit that he committed. those are kind of ridiculous and to hold out the in while since couldn't be held to that. but robert, to be fair. yeah, you just set a mouthful there and if they're able to make, bring all that evidence and prove all of that, you're absolutely right. it could get to a felony. but right now, as you even described it, what they have is a guy who essentially put down as legal expenses, money that he gave to a woman that he slept with, that is a misdemeanor at this point. and nothing else can. how do you go beyond that at this point without knowing what you got. right. and, and i not let you go ahead. you be sure, because i want to give steve a chance here. absolutely. i don't. i don't think you have to get to a felony. let's understand, even if you're saying it's a misdemeanor, he's still broke the law and we're not in a country that said what? because of your position because of your power because of your name, because of your money, you could get the commit. what mr. meaner or any other common thinking should be

held accountable for whatever crime you commit. we're going to who you are. every idea behind be elisha ne. so laws in our nation of men. yeah. although my point is why bring just a misdemeanor than if that's all you got. but let me ask you this, steve. i think this is an important question for me. who do you think can hurt the former president? more especially on the witness stand, stormy daniels, steve cohen, or alan weisel burke. i think the, the problem with all 3 of them is, is that you get brag. none of these are from out of damage. robert can be explained that to our viewers are a little what will from the from the indicted packers information will be by farthing was damaging information of president trump if he testified at trial. yeah, and we'll see. and by the way, just to be fair to both of you and to the people of america in the world, we don't know who's going to testify, who's going to say what and whether their testimony will be nothing or something very, very significant. and i think that's a really important point to make at this point, by the way. and, and steve,

i'm going to share something with you this weekend. my wife and i were watching some documentaries as old people tend to do sometimes when that are important. and i saw a documentary about l b, j. i think it's called for those of you who may want to look it up the ladies of l . b. j disc, i may, donald trump looked like a choir boy. so there is an argument to be made that suddenly we're prosecuting stuff that in the past, we looked away from no. well, and i know that you will all agree that we've all council clients at some point of it's gonna be cheaper to settle that it is to litigate the cost the expense. you know, i've told clients all the time, pay it off and go away. don't pay me a lot more money to fight this thing. so it is not unusual for settlements to occur . if it is this, i would quote, catch and kill kind of deal. yeah, i'd ask the question of how is this going to be the intent of truck a bunch of these charges are based upon invoices, the lawyers as yeah. now if i send you an invoice, mr. sanchez,

they may prosecute me for fraud, but you receiving it isn't fraud. the problem is that the timeline of when these things took place, raptor truck was already in the white house. so how has he tried to influence election? he's already won. these are the problems that brags going to have to face if anybody with any reasonable comments that is on a jury, if it ever gets there, by the way, you can call me rick, just don't call me ricky, that's my son. robert, let's go to this hullabaloo about the former president, and he did mention to be fair. he did mention the judges wife when he was talking and i think that may be where he can get himself in trouble. do you agree? i think of a poor idea in general to antagonize the other side and they are when you're a defendant or that's why they give you your right to remain silent. because in the name things, say cannon will be used against you in a court of law. whether it's a conscious or subconscious, we're club. will your lawyer turn? there are going motions when they're arguing on what evidence is coming in. you really don't want in the back of the judge's mind the time that time did you,

did you know, a stand up comedy retain about his wife, his daughter in his political leanings, i think of a poor idea in general. but as a practical matter, i think the president trump will be well served to talk about the economy, to talk about education, to talk about housing foreign policy, or talk about your campaign as opposed to or continuing to talk about the prosecutor and the judge. because that, that is a 0 sum game you're not benefiting from that is i help you literally or legally. you may be right sir, but i'll tell you what, that's not what the polls are showing. the polls are showing the more he, it's maps. and there i was, i, he's out on think prison for what president biden has been doing in the interim cri bases in the philippine too. i'll be in the public policy and foreign affairs is necessary. and i think president trump is probably at his best when he is in the celebrity environment where he is on camera. i where he is now being a host being again show host is he was on the apprentice and that is where he is at his strongest. i didn't think that door was going to be wide open,

but since you've opened that door, i will let mister gill respond then to see how doing mister thing with you. now steve, of hello, steve respond to the comparison between the president biden and the president. trump go ahead. i know i know you're, you're, you're, you're, you're chewing at the bit here to get it on this one. steve. first of all, i want to secret service guys that with me helping me find my last fall, but i'm playing golf are deep in the woods. i'm wearing orange 100 best to keep or getting shot by deer hunters. so i wish those guys were around when i was funny too . i just i appreciate roberts pits for the president, but yeah, let's look at where we are. inflation is it record highs while president truck plays golf and job by bangles our economy. gas prices continue to be skyrocketing despite the president, continuing to sap our energy resources and energy reserves getting more power to the saudis. more power to others who sell energy. our foreign policy is an absolute debacle. and now you've got the spokes people for the administration, claiming that they didn't know the well that from afghan stan was as bad as it is.

we're launching toward world war 3. and we find out that the pentagon has lost documents and leak documents that reveal that all the lies about you crazy about how you train was winning and russia was losing more. busy soldiers than you framed was actually the opposite. we've been spying on our allies. these documents would've been safer in jo biden's garage. they were at the pentagon apparently. so . yeah, let's do the comparison of where we are versus where we were. you guys made pitches for both of your guys. we'll leave it at that. let's get back to the case. do you? what do you believe? and i have a tendency to believe this. i'll just share my own thoughts here as a journalist. that the left went absolutely crazy during the trump presidency, so much so that they given him hear me out here, given the former president, the ammunition that he now needs to be able say they're constantly going after me. and this is just another case of it. do you think maybe the other side,

your side there? i say robert and certainly the media has been a little bit to blame and creating this situation. i'm going to answer it in a 2 pronged fashion one. absolutely. or you can put in a clip of steven colby or from 7 years ago and include soup, stephen colbert from thursday, and they will sound exactly the same because all they do is talk about whatever prompted us monster of the week. story is, every single day, 14 hours a day, 7 days a week. if you watch a mess and be seen from the progressive stations are, you know, they weren't but damn near guinea. what bottled the birth of their 1st child with stroke that indicted. so i do think they took it a little bit too far. ah wolf regards to our efforts to get trump in particular, when it comes to ignoring one, many of the public policy aspects to more people are interested in. but to and highlighting some of the successes of the body administration, they allow trump to dominate all of the new cycles because that's all they talk about. but secondarily part of the reason of this assessing was, trump was always giving you something new to talk about. one thing about trump was,

you know, he will hire some guy that he saw on tv to be the attorney general, or the treasury secretary or something. or he'll bring in scare, moves you for a couple days, and then on roses, trying to sneak into the white house. there were going in of crazy stuff on a regular basis to be recorded on 247 by new thing. the liberal media went far too far, making that the central point of progress a policy for the last half decade. yeah, i do too. i do too. and i mean i'm, i'm a journalist, i've done journalism all my life and you know, university of minnesota, eric's ever had school journalism. i think you're supposed to follow the story and not necessarily just try and make friends on either side. and that's what our media has become, and i think in many ways that's why we are where we are right now. but let's get back to the case steve, i pull you back into this as pacino would say, cuz i kind of want to know as a lawyer, maybe put your trial lawyer on here, a hat here. if you could and tell me what, how you would play this out if you were representing the former president and what

you think your chances would be of getting this whole damn thing thrown out before it ever gets to a jury. i think they've got a great chance based on the motions we're likely to see moving forward. i think there is a real question of persecution with his da when he's letting violent crimes in new york be reduced to misdemeanors. he's trying to cobble together a federal felony case of which he has 0 jurisdiction to attach to a state case that has exceeded the statute limitations. i think there are numerous motions that could in this before it gets to trial. in fact, i don't think it ever does get to trial. i think the democrats got what they wanted . the big banner headlines, trump indicted. they were wanting a mug shot president has kind of skinner that around bruce. his own faith. my shot is putting it on bugs and t shirts and making a fortune off of it. so i think that this is as, as was pointed out earlier, this is a bizarre case. and it's the weakest. i think of the cases that are being focused against president trump and we'll see kind of what happens to this hamper those. i

would agree again that that by advice to a to a client would be to talk less and not more because everything you're saying in the public arena can be used to trial against you if they ever get there. and, and there are plenty of people who can be defending him. and again, i'm not as concerned about the, the criticism of the, of the judges wife and daughter because they are political activist. i think that reflects on him and the media went nuts about him or his advocacy of putting out a story about the daughter making it seem like he was attacking some young child. she's a 28 year old political activist and consulted. she's not some babe in the woods. he was being targeted by a defendant. she's a political activist. the mom's a political activist and, and the judge is donation, small as it were, is still a violation of law will, will brag, indict him? well, i'll tell you what the more he talks about the judge and the prosecutor and everybody else, the bigger he gets, the more his pulls go up, the more money he makes. and the more de santis looks weak and small. and i think

that in the end is going to be the real story here. what happens in the primary, i think this indictment, if it stays the way it is and we don't learn anything else, is actually a boon for, for the former president. robert, do you agree? what say if you absolutely in this why have not understood on is explained to me this political persecution talkie points that the trump team has been using for the last or weeks because it doesn't make a damn bit of sense. if you think about it from warner, about a 3rd of a 2nd, because one present from one of the spectacle, he could have done this over resumed the arraignment. he wouldn't be 24 hour. yes. covers room taking off landing driving through new york. all those things, so that is not of the democrat clinical, wanted him and hancock and above judge trav on here for that because he one of the attention and publicity. and as you said, all this has done is clear out the primary field to make it more and more likely. present would be the nomination. no one has cared about anything. rhonda sanders or make the nickel, hey, or kim scott, who said for the last 2 weeks. so why is that?

how exactly is this a politically motivated prosecution when all his done his health trunk and interfere lead effect isn't more than likely this is not a and since evo, haines come get the role $34.00 charges. he's not going to get a minute of jail time. you get a fine, you'll get community service, it will not stop him for running for president. so what is like will be the political motive of doing this and quite radically last point. if you're going to do the political, you a drop this in november or an october, november 2024, not on a april 2023 when it really will be done will die out by ellipse in time. so the idea would be a political prosecution, quite silly on its face, but it is the latest talking point out from the trump, teen tools. you're too fat to prevent from paying for a bunch of prostitutes, and now it being held accountable for okay. robert patillo making the case for the brilliance and the genius of donald trump's marketing and political abilities, because that's essentially what it is, what it is, and that's where we are. my thanks to both of you. this has been a great conversation. i had a lot of fun and i learned a lot from both of you as well,

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