ah ah ah ah, i sanchez in, i've been doing news now for 30 years and 2 languages around the world and here in the united states, i've interviewed for presidents thought it a $1000000000.00 business. i think new should be honest and direct and impactful. that's why we call this direct impact. ah, okay, here we go. the case against the of new york versus donald trump is on. and here's

the very latest. the former president's chief tormentor i. e prosecutor, ivan bragg, has spelled out what the evidence is that he plans to use against mr. trump, for cars, apartments, and private schools for his grandchildren. weisel berg, according to prosecutors, was also part of the plan to pay off porn star stormy daniels by disguising the payoff as a legal expense because of that, why? so birds actions and maybe his testimony will be used to prove that the payoff to stormy daniels was not just a misdemeanor, but rather a felony which could bring about potential potential prison time for the president . ok, here is the prosecutor here is alvin brag, describing or talking about the case and talking specifically about the evidence that he says they will use against a former present. so the,

the charge is false. find business records are the charge requires as i, as i specify, ah, caught criminal conduct that was concealed. one of the concealed crimes we alleged is new york state election law. i. so went through in our statement of facts for think any of you have in front of you, you know, goes through things including text, messages, e mails can to brain is phone records, multiple witnesses, all of that will be, as you saw in the fall, a born out in a public courtroom in downtown man, right? born out, in other words, we don't know what the evidence is. we don't know who's going to testify, but he says he's got the goods. well, mr. bragg also says that mr. trump fractions became a felony. when he attempted, and this is what they need to prove, remember this, this is important in this case. when mr. trump attempted to hide what he was

doing, that it's not just about one payment. it is 30 for business records. ah, 34 false statements and business records, and we're concealing criminal conduct. all right, now let's get to what mr. trump has to say. ah, he's denying any wrong doing in connection with the payment daniels and has called the investigation a politically motivated, which shut in fact, just after being indicted, the former president invited friends and supporters to his moral lago estate where he compared the indictment against him to a litany of previous attacks against him. oh, the only room with ha needed with me,

with an onslaught of investigating russia, russian green impeachment office number one. and peach care helps happy to be a legal, unconstitutional wait on a b in a statement. now i should also mention this because this has now become part of the story as well. it is not customary for a defendant to attack prosecutors or even criticize the judge after being charged with a crime. mr. trump is obviously no ordinary defendant. the former president has always been known to hit back and hit back hard at his opponents. however, this time he is doing it not just as a president or former president, but as

a criminal defendant and that say some legal experts and scholars could lead to a potential face off down the line with the judge. and we're gonna talk a bit about that as well. so to talk about this, we are joined now by our shed all star panel. steve gill is an attorney in the ceo of gil media, nashville, tennessee, also joining us, his attorney and the executive director of the rainbow. push coalitions, peach, tree street project in atlanta, georgia. robert patillo. my thanks to both of your gentlemen for being with us. you know what i think this is coming down to certainly, if not in the legal case in the court of public opinion, whether the former president really had as alvin bragg called it a scheme or whether he was just trying to get away from an embarrassing situation. that he didn't want his wife to find out about steve, let's begin with you a or

b. but well, 1st of all, i think a brag is right. what he says, this is an unusual situation. you made the point that he's talking about the case as a criminal defendant, but it's an unusual case that you have a prosecutor who ran campaign ads running for the job, claiming he would get a specific individual without knowing the facts without knowing any details without even having the basis to do so, it was a campaign promise and a political partisan prosecution. and then the other side is when he's criticizing the judge, it's also unusual that you would have a judge that would retain in a case who has donated to his opponent, spoken out against that opponent has a daughter who works for the opponent and a wife who's trash theme on twitter and other social media. so yeah, it's unusual that this case is even proceeding in a counselor or is that a robert fair criticism of both the prosecutor in this case and the judge knows not knows, not at all. and i think if you look at any criminal defense case, if you look into donations, are we looking to campaign answer put out there?

you know, they're planning prosecutors who campaign on what we're going to get rid of the drugs and the gangs in our community. the drug dealers and gang members down there to say, well look, they said they were gonna get rid of the drug dealers and gang member. so of course this is a political prosecution against me. busy look of the evidence that will put out their lead. fundamental question of did donald trump falsified business documents? pretty clearly? yes. did donald trump's been a $130000.02 pay on one poorest or in a $150000.00? billed another port store than $30000.00, to pay off a dormant about an image of a child? yes he did those things. were these things done temporally, in a way that would suggest that it was to influence that election that you're paying or her parents are $20.00 to $40.00 lunch? and then yes, that makes that nets is there to be, argue to a jury. so instead of republicans talking about what donald trump did, or did not do whether or not he violated the law, the create lead cochran mainly conspiracy theory to talk about. well, the judge gave $35.00 to a campaign at one point in time. therefore,

we shouldn't prosecute as president for the crimes. we openly admit that he committed. those are kind of ridiculous. they end up to hold out the in while since couldn't be held to that. but robert, to be fair. yeah, you just set a mouthful there and if they're able to make, bring all that evidence and prove all of that, you're absolutely right. it could get to a felony. but right now, as you even described it, what they have is a guy who essentially put down as legal expenses, money that he gave to a woman that he slept with, that is a misdemeanor at this point and nothing else out. you go beyond that at this point without knowing what you got. right. and, and i not let you go ahead. you be sure, because i want to give steve a chance here. absolutely. i don't. i don't think you have to get to a felony. let's understand. even if you're saying it's a misdemeanor, he's still broke the law and we're not in a country that said what? because of your position because of your power because of your name because of your money, you could get the commit. what mr. mean, or for any other crime, a thinking should be held accountable for whatever crime you commit. we're going to who you are. every idea behind be alisha mesa laws and i nation of min. yeah,

although my point is why bring just a misdemeanor than if that's all you got, but let me ask you this, steve. i, i think this is an important question for me. who do you think can hurt the former president? more especially on the witness stand, stormy daniels, steve cohen, or alan weiss wilburn? i think the, the problem with all 3 of them is, is that you got stormy daniels, who now owns the pros, the president over $600000.00 for a bogus slander case. she owes him money be the 1st time in history that stripper has to pay the guy he's supposed to get sex with. and then you've got cohen who is a convicted perjurer and fraud. he's going to be on the stand testifying and, and you actually have is, as i know both you all will admit when you have a convicted perjure on the stand. the judge and jury have the right to throw out everything they say, including what day it is. and finally, you've got the guy who was convicted for running the trump organization when trump wasn't there. and that's the problem with these business records at claim of frank . no, none of these were filed publicly or,

or required to be filed with the state they weren't filed with the federal election commission. the federal election commission examined this and said there is no federal crime. the department of justice examine it said no federal crime of the previous da here. vance said there's no crime. and in fact, bragg said there was no crime until he was trying to play politics. it was forced into pursuing something to keep his campaign promise. yeah. and a good way on guy if he's name and bit of dealers and only going after the cripps and not the bloods and naming them by name yet that would be political persecution . let me ask you the same question. stormy daniels, michael cohen allen weisel berg, who could do the ex president most the most amount of damage. robert, just as a lawyer always will do, i will say, david packer, i think that the for a publisher of the national enquirer is the person that will be the most compelling and the most damaging witness. because he was in charge of these catching kills games. he does not have any taint on him. the story daniels her or that are alan y soleberg or little michael cohen, how the he has very clear and dynamic information mickely to the presence convict.

explain that to our viewers around the world who may not understand what you just said with this a catch instead, catch and kill a thing that david packer, the, i guess the seo of the national enquirer was supposedly allegedly doing with mister truck. why that's so significant, absolutely won't, will, from the, from the indictment from the information that we've gathered up. the accusation is that present trumpet. mister packer went through a process of buying or going to people who had damages stories against president trump and then paying them off in order to catch the stores before they could be sold to another media outlet. and then bearing the story in order to help mister trump either in business or later on in politics, this would be if it was meant to, to help his campaign. well, that would be a campaign contribution to mr. trump outside the federal limits. so i think that mr . packard information will be by far the most damaging information president trump, if he testifies a trial. yeah, and we'll see. and by the way, just to be fair to both of you and to the people of america in the world,

we don't know who's going to testify, who's going to say what and whether their testimony will be nothing or something very, very significant. and i think that's a really important point to make at this point, by the way. and, and stephen, i share something with you this weekend. my wife and i were watching some documentaries as old people tend to do sometimes when it's important. and i saw a documentary about l b, j. i think it's called for those of you who may want to look it up the ladies of l . b. j disc, i may, donald trump looked like a choir boy. so there is an argument to be made that suddenly we're prosecuting stuff that in the past, we looked away from no, well, and i know the do, will all agree that we've all council clients at some point. it's gotta be cheaper to settle that it is to litigate the cost the expense. you know, i've told clients all the time, pay it off and go away. don't pay me a lot more money to fight this thing. so it is not unusual for settlements to occur . if it is this, i would quote, catch and kill kind of deal. yeah,

i'd ask the question of how is this going to be the intent of truck a bunch of these charges are based upon invoices. the lawyers as yeah, now if i send you an invoice better, sanchez, they may prosecute me for fraud, but you receiving it isn't fraud. the problem is that the timeline of when these things took place, rafter truck was already in the white house. so how is he tried to influence election? he's already won. these are the problems that bragg's going to have to face. if anybody with any reasonable comments that is on a jury, if it ever gets there, by the way you can call me rick, just don't call me ricky, that's my son. robert. let's go to this hullabaloo about the former president, and he did mention to be fair. he did mention the judge's wife when he was talking and i think that may be where he can get himself in trouble. do you agree? i think is a poor idea in general to antagonize the other side and they are when you're a defendant are that's why they give you your right to remain silent. because in

the damping say can and will be used against you in a court of law. whether it's a conscious or subconscious, we're club, will your lawyers are and there are going motions when they're arguing on what evidence is coming in. you really don't want in the back of the judge's mind the time that time did you, did you know, a stand up comedy retain about his wife, his daughter in political leanings, something of a poor idea in general. but as a practical matter, i think the president trump will be well served to talk about the economy, to talk about education, to talk about housing foreign policy, or talk about your campaign as opposed to or continuing that talk about the prosecutor and the judge because that that is a 0 sum game you're not benefiting from that. if i help you, we literally are legal. you may be right sir, but i'll tell you what that what the polls are showing. the polls are showing, the more he hits back, the more money he gets of more support he gets. and the more apt he is to be able to beat rhonda santas in the primaries for looking really, really tough while de santis maybe not so much. and by the way, that's

a conversation i want to pick up with both of you on the way back how this is gonna finish before we get to the finish line. if we get to the finish line, certainly in the primaries and then the general might be a whole different thing sick around. i'm going to be right back with both of these gentlemen and just a little bit. by the way. i do have a podcast where i as a journalist as a latino, as an entrepreneur, i share my story with you about what i've learned, how i've screwed up, how i've succeeded, and there's a lot there. it's called the rick sanchez podcast. i invite you to check it out whenever you get a chance again, when we come back. well, something interesting happened over the weekend. i went to play golf every saturday at the same place. i play golf every saturday and guess who was there? you get one guess and i'll let you share it and just a little bit, don't go away with ah

november 22nd 2022 outraged orthodox christians confronted ukrainian security service offices looking entrances and exits to keep the oldest monastery. they were looking for a russian spies among the monks. we mean deal of seeming a former reason for the brutal crime down one church. his parishioners said, song, a song about a song being reason enough to condemn any old adult christian attack in prison and even kill them. russia, what i mean, rush up, i need to figure out how many love store you when you store pro offline you in your total us you use a new phone i use from his dog

with ah, i feel i still. a watching street the journey, all developing and identity and national identity. there is a, you know, we talked earlier about the vibrancy and the dynamics of the media. well, all sorts of use and narrative, heather, chance to debate and come to the for. but that also has a downside in re thing is up for debate. nothing is agreed on. mm ah, what about? i'm like sanchez. you know there been a bevy of reports about mister trump's compartment. since the indictment was handed down, we referred to something, but just just

a little while ago about his anger in the past as well about his plans to fight back. and then there's a question of whether he should, he'll be more apt now to stay away from public places. maybe avoid the spotlight a little bit. now he's that he's been indicted. the answer, as i found out for myself, easter weekend is no. none of that is going to happen. as i do almost every weekend, i decided to head out with my friends saturday morning to play golf at drop. right . always play. it's owned by the former president, by the way, dropped her out there following along, playing right behind us. as i turned around was the former president, you see him there with the red hat, none other than the president united states. and they love the secret service guys just kind of having a beautiful day in south florida with a former president playing golf at his own course. and there i was, by the way, he's got a pretty good swing steve gill attorney field go mediate rubber, patillo, attorney, executive director of the rainbow, push coalitions, peach,

tree street project project. my thanks to both of you for being with us. once again . what do you make of that, robert? i mean, you know, most of us would probably think be figuring things out maybe feeling a little bit for laura and maybe staying out of the headlines, staying out of the public guy. he's out there playing golf fees live in his life and in typical trump form shadows there. i say. what do you make about robert? oh, you don't think of the person from this weekend. he played golf. he would till you have see fight with kid rock in law and mike tyson and dana white struggling the he's doing what he's done for the last 50 years. he's being a celebrity. he's continuing to be in the public spotlight at by. do think it brought to very stark contrast between his actions and his a free time versus what president biden has been doing in the interim. while president trumpet playing golf. ready inviting, securing the sell of nuclear submarines to australia while president trump is or

the you will see fight. well, president bite, insecure, military bases and philippine to cut off china from domination to south china sea. we took, making, bringing nato back together to creating a stronger arm when it comes to negotiating against a brit so minds and opec plus. so i'm president biden has not let the celebrity uh, president trump get in the way of him proceeding with public policy and foreign affairs is necessary. and i think president trump is probably at his best when he is in the celebrity environment where he is on camera. i, where he is now being a i host to be a game show. host is he was on the apprentice and that is where he is at his strongest. i didn't think that door was going to be wide open, but since you've opened that door, i will let mister gill respond then to see i'm doing the mr. thing with you now, steve, of hello, steve, respond to the comparison between the president biden and the president. trump go ahead. i know i know you're, you're, you're, you're, you're chewing at the bit here to get in on this one, steve. first of all, i want secret service guys that with me helping me find my last ball,

but i'm playing golf apart. deep in the wood, i'm wearing orange hunter vast to keep from getting shot by deer hunters. so i wish those guys were around, but i was for he to i just, i appreciate roberts, a pitch for the president, but yeah, let's look at where we are. inflation is that record highs? ball present truck plays golf and joe biden. mangles our economy, gas prices continue to be skyrocketing despite the president, continuing to sap our energy resources and energy reserves, giving more power to the saudis, more power to others who sell energy. our foreign policy is an absolute debacle. and now you've got of the spokespeople for the administration, claiming that they didn't know the will out from afghanistan was as bad as it is. we're working toward world war 3. and we find out that the pentagon has lost documents and lease documents that reveal that all the lies about ukraine, about how you train was winning. and russia was losing more. busy so than you trained was actually the opposite. we been spying on our allies. these documents would've been safer. and jo, biden's garage. they were at the pentagon apparently. so yeah,

let's do the comparison of where we are versus where we were. are you guys made pitches for both of your guys will leave it at that. let's get back to the case to you. what do you believe? and i, i have a tendency to believe this. i'll just share my own thoughts here as a journalist that the left went absolutely crazy during the trump presidency. so much show that they given him hear me out here, given the former president, the ammunition that he now needs to be able say, they're constantly going after me. and this is just another case of it. do you think maybe the the other side, your side dare i say, robert and certainly the media has been a little bit to blame and creating this, this, this situation a well, i'm gonna answer it in a 2 pronged fashion one. absolutely. or you can put in a clip of steven colby or from 7 years ago and include soup, stephen colbert from thursday, and they will sound exactly the same because all they do is talk about whatever

prompted us monster of the week. story is every single day in 4 hours a day, 7 days a week, if you watch a mess and be seen from the progressive stations are, you know, they were but damn near guinea. what bottled the birth of their 1st child with stroke got indicted. so i do think they took it a little bit too far. ah, wilful regards to our efforts to get trump, and particularly when it comes to ignoring one, many of the public policy aspect to more people are interested in. but to and highlighting some of the successes of the body administration, they allow trump to dominate all of the new cycle because that's all they talk about. but secondarily part of the reason of this assessing was, trump was always giving you something new to talk about. one thing about trump was a, you know, he will hire some guy that he saw on tv. could be the attorney general or the treasury secretary or something, or he'll bring a scare, moves you for a couple days, and then on roses, trying to sneak him to the white house. there were doing of crazy stuff on a regular basis to be recorded on 247 by new thing. the liberal media went far too far and making that the central point of progress

a policy for the last half decade. yeah, i do too. i do too. and i mean i'm, i'm a journalist, i've done journalism all my life and you know, university of minnesota, eric's ever had school journalism. i think you're supposed to follow the story and not necessarily just try and make friends on either side. and that's what our media has become, and i think in many ways that's why we are where we are right now. but let's get back to the case steve, i pull you back into this as pacino would say, cuz i kind of want to know as a lawyer in put your trial lawyer on here had here. if you could and tell me what, how you would play this out if you were representing the former president and what you think your chances would be of getting this whole damn thing thrown out before it ever gets to a jury. i think they've got a great chance based on the motions we're likely to see moving forward. i think there is a real question of persecution with this da when he's letting violent crimes in new york be reduced to misdemeanors. he's trying to cobble together

a federal felony case of which he has 0 jurisdiction to attach to a state case that has exceeded the statute limitations. i think there are numerous motions that could in this before it gets to trial. in fact, i don't think it ever does get to trial. i think the democrats got what they wanted . the big banner headlines, trump indicted. they were wanting a mug shot president has kind of skinner that around that bruce, his own faith, my shot is putting it on bugs and t shirts and making a fortune off of it. so i think that this is as, as was pointed out earlier, this is a bizarre case, and it's the weakest, i think of the cases that are being focused against president trump. and we'll see kind of what happens to this hamper those. i would agree again that that by advice to a to a client would be to talk less and not more because everything you're saying in the public arena can be used to trial against you if they ever get there. and, and there are plenty of people who can be defending him. and again, i'm not as concerned about the, the criticism of the, of the judges wife and daughter because they are political activist. i think that

reflects on him and in the media went nuts about him or his advocacy of putting out a story about the daughter making it seem like he was attacking some young child. she's a 28 year old political activist and consulted. she's not some babe in the woods. he was being targeted by a defendant. she's a political activist. the mom's a political activist and, and the judge is donation, small as it were, is still a violation of law will. will brag, indict him? well tell you what the more he talks about the judge and the prosecutor and everybody else, the bigger he gets, the more as pulls go up, the more money he makes. and the more de santis looks weak and small. and i think that in the end is going to be the real story here. what happens in the primary, i think this is meant if it stays the way it is and we don't learn anything else, is actually a boon for, for the former president. robert, do you agree? what say if you are absolutely in this, why have not understood audits lane to be this political persecution?

talking points that the trump team has been using for the last or weeks because it doesn't make a damn bit of sense if you think about it from warner, about a 3rd of a 2nd. because one present from one of the spectacle that he could have done this over zoom, the arraignment, he wouldn't be 24 hour. yes. covers room taking off landing driving through new york. all those things. so that though is not as of the democrat quote, unquote wanted him and hancock and a mug. chuck travadone here for that because he, one of the attention implicity and as you said, all this had done is clear out the primary field to make it more. um, more likely to present probably the nominees, no one has cared about anything. rhonda sanford or me, nicholas hay or tim scott who said for the last 2 weeks. um so why is that? how exactly is this a politically motivated prosecution? when all has done his health trunk, i've been tertiary to fat, isn't more than likely this is not a fence evo, haynes commit to raul, $34.00 charges. he's not going get a minute of jail time. you will get a fine. you'll get community service. it will not stop him for running for president. so what is like will be the political motive of doing this and quite radically last point. if you're going to do the politically you would drop this in

november or an october, november 2024. not on a april 2023, when really will be done. will die out by ellipse in time. so the idea would be a political prosecution, quite silly on its face, but it is the latest talking point out from the trump teen talks. you're too fat to prevent from paying for a bunch of prostitutes and now it being held accountable for. okay. robert patillo making the case for the brilliance and the genius of donald trump's marketing and political abilities. because that's essentially what it is, what it is. and that's where we are at my thanks to both of you. this has been a great conversation. i had a lot of fun and i learned a lot from both of you as well. and thank you for keeping and so respectful. i appreciate it. all right, here we go. something else i gotta tell you all about something i do before we go, i want to remind you of our mission here. it's simple, really kind of want to dis, silo the world a little bit. we've got to stop living in little boxes. true. don't live in boxes. they're like the conversation we just had right now. different points of view. i'll

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