the past decades, however, we also know right from the words of president g, himself and from other bricks leaders, that they are engaged in efforts to sort of move off of export and grow strategies and more towards domestic demand generated growth strategies. and in so far as they succeed in doing that, the idea, the coupling from a dollar or at least lessening their dollar dependence, will become much more realistic to, to put into practice. yes, some people estimate that china won't even be able to satisfy domestic demand. and as regards planning, actually since you write so much about planning and your desire for planning actually in the united states, how can companies is how these dasia and the global south plan given this sanction regime that you allude to changing every other day. i mean, they say japanese electronic firms don't know how to plan to make things given that they don't know when the next chinese chip is going to be sanctioned.

yeah, that's a good point. i mean, i think the key for china and physicians that would like to be engaged in a, a kind of a long term. and indeed plan of all are predictable trading relation with china is concerned. the real key is to sort of heighten domestic autonomy. you might say, or something approaching on tar key, right, are self sufficiency when it comes to the capacity either to produce most or all of what you need right there at home. said relations with other nations trading block form, say between has vast natural resources as well as a great deal of technical know how we also know, of course, that africa is very resource rich in china in particular. but also russia have been expanding their trade relations and their economic relations with africa. and you know, between africa, russia and china, it would seem to me that you got the same sort of diversity of resource availability and maybe even a greater degree of diversity. and 1st,

availability and productive capacity, then you have say, in north america or in europe as a whole. so if a walk of some sort were to form among those countries, they would be simply no need for them to rely on the dollar to be dollar dependence . and thus there would be no real danger posed to them by dollar related sanctions . but everything, of course, rides on whether they can actually do that. it of course, the resource capacity to do all that. and they got the productive capacity gets to say, to technical know how to do all of that. the real key is going to be whether they have this or elliptical capacity to do it. i do, i mean you advise rocha, elizabeth warren, a o. c. the progressive go guess what? what do they say when you say things like you just said to me because they all voted for more military, a to ukraine, a c voted $40000000000.00 and military aid. i mean, they've turned around the 1.3 trillion spending bill from 2018 that specifically

said the as all regiment with their nazi dies could be were the ones being sanctioned in effect. what did they say to you when you say, look, some of these policies may unite and make the u. s. declining bow. basically the context in which subjects that can come up when i'm talking with these. these legislators is a little bit different than the current context that you and i are talking about these things in connection with. so in general, when i talking to american policymakers, progressive legislators, i'm talking more about the need for a kind of re diversification. and a re, let's say autonomy or all harpy, restoring set of policies for the american economy. right. i mean, the us itself used to have a very diversified economy and it used to be able to produce most of what it needed for itself. and in fact, it was the out sort of thing that was kind of carried on by capital here in the u.

s. sort of essentially seeing lower wage labor abroad. they're brought about the sort of hollowing out to be american economy. so when i talk to legislators here, i say, you know, actually a certain degree or greater to be about on the part of non american economies and closer relations among non american economies. that would accompany a sort of real conversation of the american economy would actually be good for everybody. it would be good for the world itself, right? there's been a great deal of dysfunction in the relations between the u. s. and other economies worldwide. and part of, i think restoring health is restoring a certain degree of self sufficiency to all of the economies or, you know, reasonably size trading blocks worldwide. and in that context, i think they're quite receptive to what i'm suggesting. we haven't, i haven't talked with any of these legislators about the current war itself or about us sanctions or anything like that that, that i think all of their boats in that connection have to be sort of understood in

relation to the politics of washington. and that's just not something that i'm very much engaged in, but there's something connected there because of course, that money is being recycled through these big multinational weapons companies. and you want money to go into infrastructure and debt. you want to create that order key that you, you speak of. i mean, i don't know where to start or whether to be ironic about joe biden, talking about rail links on the east coast of the united states when i'm talking to you from dubai. and the whole of the middle east is engaged in massive solar projects. china to the east to this studio is, is, i mean, you can't underestimate the amount that they're working on, or whether president lula is stopping of all the deforestation in the amazon. what happy with joe biden, so little a railway link he's talking about on the east coast. well, i'm somewhat happy with it. of course, i'm happier about it because it's part of

a much larger package of initiatives that he'll be pursuing. it might be worth noting in this connection the part of while i'm not really engaged in the politics of washington. one thing i am aware of is that there is a kind of growing readiness from the arctic. some republicans to sort of join forces with certain democrats on various infrastructure bills, various productive renewal type bills and package. a major piece of legislation that i crafted for roadrunner on the one hand, and mark of rubio is a republican in the senate. on the other hand, is devoted specifically to that and we're getting republican support for that. but here's where the war comes into this war. but at least defense spending. one way to get republicans on board with restoration of americans, productive capacity. both in and infrastructural sense and an industrial sense is by pointing out to them that a country that loses its industrial capacity in its productive capacity becomes

much weaker. right, than an economy that has a robust productive capacity. and so there's the sort of appeal that you have to make to these republicans, a sort of adjacent to a national security or defense. really, the tight rope at that present to us progressives of course, is you know, you don't want in any way to be encouraging militarism or imperialism, or adventure ism of the times that the u. s. is engaging a lot in recent decades to its own detriment. but at the same time, you want to keep republicans interested in productive capacity. and the only way, at least initially to get their attention on that is to sort of point out the national security significance. in fact, in fairness, in fantasy professor, it's the republicans, a few republicans voted against these tens of billions, was $66000000000.00 approved by congress last year. i don't know how many billions of public money it was. republicans anti war in ukraine, publicans know, can only a few. the great majority,

the great bulk of republicans are still very much very pro war, very pro defense, very pro national security, even g to west. there's just a smaller of marginal group of republicans who are voting against the war against defense expenditures. well, i mean, rose hall and i didn't really kind of say, you know what we should do. we should take the stuff where we're selling the saudis, and obviously saudi arabian, the u, a refusing biden's calls to increase oil production, which is what washington white house wanted and broke on with used to be going ahead with the yeah, let's punish these countries when lowering prices an increasing production and this is all in the context of the perez reforms of the democrats to be able to get lobbying from fossil fuel companies. i mean, i, i don't think that congress congressman kind of can be once together with those folk who want to penalize saudi arabia. i mean,

send the on from that to your grain. does the landscape, which is what ro connor was tracing. yeah, i think, well, there's a long standing of course, concert on the part of many democrats with those sort of ongoing support that we've been giving to the current saudi regime. and there's kind of growing concerned among some of the more progressive democrats about the sort of support this being last to the were right. mean elements of because really government as well. and of course, as we know, right, the more right elements of the israeli government are putting out feelers to and looking to sort of establish some kind of alliance with saudi arabia itself. so they don't think they don't see the relevance of the green new deal. i mean, for just forgetting the fossil fuel emissions of the us military, which are unfathomable, in terms of how much will these aircraft carriers and miss up production to do what they do to the environment. they don't see that the exploitation of l. n. g gas refracting jo biden's obsession with racking is detractors. call it sending it to

europe and the cost of that to the environment. none of the progressive caucus understand, i don't think it's true actually. i think they do see the relevance, but i think what they're doing is they're thinking in terms of sequencing, right? they're all pushing, they're all, all in or a complete transition to renewables. but they also recognize that that's going to take about 7 years at the least, and maybe up to a decade. and so they're trying to keep energy prices down during that transition precisely because when energy prices go up, that gives a didn't comfort to republicans who are trying to sort of quash the move toward green economy and trying to expand fracking and other things. and that's where you're in the u. s. i don't, by the way, see any obsession on jo biden's part with ranking. i do see the obsession of our job mansion who joe biden has to kind of keep, you know, happy in order to keep him on board with various pieces of legislation. but i think as buying himself at this point is all in the green transition. there's simply a recognition that takes a while and the best way to, you know,

kind of keep that transition under way, is to take away the strength that some republicans have when energy prices go up. professor robert hawkins. l. you the more from the advisor to alex andrea cause your quote as an elizabeth warren after this break. ah, ah . in 1884, the german empire began its colonial invasion into namibia. from the very start, berlin encouraged the white colonists to settle in south west africa and take away the best land from the local tribes. the germans were actively draining natural

resources and using the local population as a cheap labor source. this was causing major protests and led to a rebellion in 19 o 4, the hero and nama tribes rebelled against german colonial rule. kaiser wilhelm, the 2nd was fully determined and ordered to suppress the rebellion with the utmost severity against the inhabitants of namibia. germany through is 15000 well equipped army. all around the country concentration camps were built. in humane medical experiments over citizens were conducted within the period of 4 years. the germans killed up to 60000 people, among which there were 80 percent of the hero tribe, and 50 percent of the nama tribe. the events in south west africa are called the 1st genocide of the 20th century, and not without reason are compared to the holocaust just 2 decades later after the

massacre in namibia hitler's assault unit put on the same brown colonial uniform which push the world into the chasm of the 2nd world war ah, through central florida is throwing in global national forza postcard from wisconsin. at the last concert, a deal is when strung sometimes rollins from the end to normally do it in bt dufrane, you get kicked away in the poly teachers, kills at the edge on the brown asia door was to let them know fo progressing. because all bolcom in the crucial chest me was for the was it was all sweetness, wookey bone is not, but if good p t d still know what to do to do with the leukemia. well they do,

they won't live up. she is, we can you video pics that will be a good way to go with this. when you go see, show the mrs piece they need to in that or south along had you think it was his net that did he thought he is supposed to work on this? does it this material, but it was tossed up even though so gray unit should update those snyder me just to look me. it doesn't help with them. yeah. be it to me she go, she returns again. yes, please. then you have to numerous marriott. so to handle most of his emotional specially to renew the existing disciplines and you took a little of doing piecemeal. mm. ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the edward cornell, professor of law and advisor to alexander kazi cortez and elizabeth warren. professor robert hawk it as an advisor to these progressive circle,

the icons of the, i don't know, m s, m, b, c. not cnn. so what i like elizabeth warren and ro, connor and so on. and clearly you see them as making a difference and that there is a clear difference between the 2. but what do you make a fan of the criticisms from the left, which they know the fact that they are actively supporting the war spending trillions of public money while 40000000 go hungry. i know it's been said that you can find a bridge and i know you're right about infrastructure and the need for more bridges . you can't find a bridge in the united states without someone sleeping under it. none of these progressive cog is people tried to put medicare and some kind of health care system into the massive spending bills being passed, the huge jumble of spending bills or maybe it is in terms of a made it a veto position. what is the i, i don't,

i don't know of anybody who would claim that the progressive element of the number of party is actively supporting any of this stuff. people like ro and people like a c will vote in favor of legislation that there are sort of massive majorities, alas, even congress pushing. but what you, if you actually follow a o c intermedia up your incidence or instagram post or whatever. or if you follow content, they're all talking about renew, deal, transformation. they're all talking about restoration of american productive capacity. restoration, middle class, building jobs, restoration of or bringing about of pretty health care and for higher education as well as re entry level education. all americans, that's what they're actively pushing and actively supporting. and anytime they happened to join the democrats to vote in favor of some other piece of legislation that people like you were, i might be less inclined to support their doing that largely by way of sort of

going along to get along in order to avoid having to fight over that, so i understand they retracted the letter o'connor, and i see that they tried to school for negotiations. a received from clips on youtube got walk around without being shouted. heck had saying that you're going to start world war 3. what is the role and you've been around, you know, you worked with the i, m f. you as well as being a scholar. what's it like the role of lobby, big by big companies to destroy and attack in effect your scala? who we know that, as i said, tom perez, in 2018 permitted fossil fuel lobbying to democrats. is it is the problem here that so many of the initiatives you want to happen, they will, they're all going to happen because your initiatives are aimed at making the united states more equitable. and always to have those who are very rich and low being

clearly don't want to give away their money. well that's of course the struggle, right? i mean, yes, the, the efforts of the lobbyists, the efforts of the various sectional interests that are paid or higher on and been paid the lobby a start, of course massive. and of course, as you know, own most of the industry media here in the us as well. so they tend to not only to lobby directly, various members of congress, but they also shape the message and shape or determine the framing of the public discourse as conducted over most of the mean sort of social media sites and mean media. and that's of course, right, and this is nothing new, and this is not surprising, right? karl marx wrote almost 2 centuries ago at this point about how that's how it works, right? the particular class interests tend to purchase and dominate most of the sort of institutions of the culture as well as most of the institutions of the quality intend to make the job of those who are trying to fight for some kind of change.

all of them were difficult, but be that as many weak we persist and we every now and then have significant victories. i think we're probably headed for a sort of a older shifter us a significant change of this sort of new deal magnitude. we're not there yet, but i think we're getting there. and certainly the sorts of calamities that are being brought on by the right wingers are making our job a lot easier. frankly, it's a lot easier to a point to what's happening around them to make your case, which is what we do. well, tucker carlson on fox news, news, trapping, peace negotiations rather than war. i don't know when you mentioned the media, how many television sets you get through. i don't know whether you destroy them, then the debt ceiling is the issue. congresspeople then reflected, mirrored by arguable stenographer, mainstream circle,

mainstream media over there that is owned by 6 companies. just explained to his way . it's all nonsense in the main what we're hearing about the debt ceiling. you know this silly nonsense for a very straightforward reason. it's rooted in old an act of congress. 19. it was passed in 1970 the liberty bond at that particular act was passed at a time when the president was the only government official who actually formulated a budget. congress essentially conferred a great deal of budgetary discretion on the president in those days. and so the debt ceiling that was put into that liberty bond at which of course, was inactive during a time that the u. s. was spending a great deal more than it had previously done in preparation for the world war. one mobile is ation was a way for congress to sort of remind the president that it has some kind of oversight role. all of that changed trying to mentally, almost 50 years ago in 1974. when congress passed a new, an accident, which essentially you totally changed the budgetary or the budget making regime

here in the us, ever since 974. congress itself has formulated the budget. and that budget is a legal enact that every year that it's passed. it's a legal anatomy, and it includes not only all the expenditures of the federal government, but all the revenue raising and all the methods of revenue raising, including taxation and bought it. then i'm not. and they liked to grandstand, and this gives us the 1917 law progressives as their own. why some sell out by others. do you get to triangulate between green wash quite a bit. we had no less than an adviser to now king charles deferred on going underground. people can look up the interview and rumble. he was horrified. he told us that it was the whole thing. the big corporations are basically just lying, and presumably king charles knows, but he's been told in britain that he can't ever talk about it. is that way you'll hear that sometimes something that you say is accepted. and then you realize that you've written it in

a vague enough way that those who are powerful in those corporate lobby's actually think what you are saying something different can make money out of it. i haven't experienced that. i've seen if it's happening. i'm not aware of it and i would like to be made aware of it. it is happening, but happily thus far, i haven't been made aware of any such thing and i don't know of any such. it might be partly because my role is fairly limited, right. essentially, what i'll do is provided by policy matters to certain progressive congress members, if they want, if they asked me or if they want to know. and then they'll just sort of focus on that. and i focus on the merits of the thing and only to a very minimal degree on the politics. like if a choice of word looks less likely to raise red flags in the eyes of some republican congress. members, i might choose a different word, but essentially i just sort of work on the merits of these things and don't pay that much attention to the public discussion about them or how various other politicians might be using them. i know that i've seen myself, you know,

sort of caricature to airbus by right wing media. and that usually just is more amusing than anything else. well, i should just finish on crypto currency because you, we started on sanctions and you've written that. you're not that enamored by, by it all, but actually crypto argue be, i mean, devise one of the centers of crypto as being an amazing method for companies and individuals to get round these us sanctions and de la free trade to occur across the global south. you, you think crypto is on the way out? you know, you don't think it as a future. i think crypto has a future with a very small circles, but crypto is not going to become a major form of currency. and i think it's going to go the way of the old wildcat bank notes that used to be the primary form of paper currency. here in the us, in the 1900 century. and what happened was, was every bank issued its own paper currency, all the people who spent paper currency had to use all these different paper

currency, some of which were discounted, a great deal relative to face value, others which were discounted less. they constantly fluctuated wildly and value so forth. they were just lots of them in the same with their walter. but as soon as the us issued its own paper dollar, notice the green back during the civil war. all of that stuff sort of went by the wayside for the most part. and the only people who retained are using those guarantees were relatively small circles. i think when the fed begins issuing a digital dollar, maybe a little dr. plan that i put before it over the last 5 years, maybe it won't, but whenever it does, once it does that id, wildcat, crypto will go the way of the wildcat bank. know what will the point that he if, what will the point me if the buddy sanctions sees the type sanctions is applied to syria say, are applied across the global south is lead america. africans are these daysia and most of erasure does business with countries that washington sanctions and has does it. and obviously, in cars, the routes of the us sanctions acts. and just as we'll,

we'll trade in something else will. then we're going, we're back to where we were before, right? that's back to the question whether the dollar will retain its dominance. i think the dollar real reason it's dominance precisely or as long as other countries depend on us citizens buying their product for their robots. but as soon as they become less dependent on american consumer markets where their growth, at that point, the dollar ceases to be a global currency and goes back to be a national currency, which is what it should have been all long. and which is what it was right before the 1940s professor overhaul get. thank you. great, thanks so much action. great to be with you. that's it for the show. we'll be back next saturday with another brand new app. so, but until then you can still keep in touch my role as social media. it's not sensitive in your country, but you can always had to watch out going on the grantee on ronald com to watch new and old episodes going undergrad. so you're very sick

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