show nato has announced the accession of finland into the so called defensive alliance, leaving behind their friend sweden, who initially was set to join in a 2 for one special. for nearly 75 years, finland had an image of neutrality following the f. c. m a treaty of 948. that would be of course, friendship, cooperation and mutual assistance. treaty signed between them and then the soviet union that was extended 3 times. the fins and russians signed a new cooperation agreement after the 1992, followed the soviet union. so for the better part of the 20th century, the russo finish relationship was peaceful. this despite the fin back tracking on a deal made during the so called winter war of 939 to 40 after finland. in fact help the nazis from 1941 to 1900. 44 by allowing hitler's troops to transit through

finland. and of course, some friends also took up arms against the soviets side by side with the nazis by 1944. the soviets beat back the finish. support of nazis. and an armistice was struck between the neighbors. so since 948, the f c. m a treaty, there has been no political or physical fighting between the 2. fast forward now to 2023, despite no hospitality for nearly a century. russia's northern neighbor suddenly felt threatened and join nato. so here we are. joining us to discuss and perhaps explain all of this is professor of political science at the university of oslo in norway g, a political analyst and author. his latest books is called, russo phobia, propaganda and international politics. professor glen decent is with us professor. thank you so much for joining us. my pleasure. thanks for inviting me. so finland

has just made a successful bid to join nato. there. accession to the block completed april 4th. first. can you tell us why finland seemingly out of the blue wish to join nato? i mean, were they facing some sort of imminent threat by anyone, specifically russia with whom they share this very porous border? well, i think that's obviously a lot of things that changed was rush us in nation of ukraine, which spoke many and again, the media of course, was also consumed by this. so it was huge. and foss pushed towards joining nato. and because traditionally similar has not had the political support for joining nato among the public. but again, because of the war and the sentiment changed quickly, and, and i would argue the key problem was that the, instead of sparking a reason

a reasonable debate, given that, you know, the neighboring country went to war. and i think it was more emotional taking over because i haven't seen any sensible debate. they're about to what extent joining nato would actually help their security. and again, it's not just that sometimes insecurity less is more. in other words, if you bring in america weapon systems, for example, or are become part of this huge military lines. now 31 states an anti rush military life is gonna cause our reaction from russia and will this then undermine your security enough so. so there wasn't really any debate to just as we've fail, greater threatening from russia, less to nato, and very little discussion around the pros and cons in terms of their own security . and again, i think what's been missing is sir, oldest focus now that you know there's war in europe war with russia and,

but no one really has thought much about peace. in other words, how can we figure out how, how we're all going to live on the same continent. instead, it's just less ourselves that send weapons. let's join nato. and last that would also say this also had to, i think there was a deliberate effort of going into the say quickly again, the one in finland are suggesting that cross mice pack them. but because of the, the huge security concerns now in europe and, and the sentiments have changed. and there was, i think there was an interest in the government to move while the public was on their side. it's no secret that all from the political leaders, military leaders would like to be in nato and, you know, but still didn't get the public wisdom. so i think there's an interest there to get inside natal before the war is over. so they don't risk loosing the publics. so just so we're clear, there was no imminent threat to them by russia. and i should know,

normally the nato exception process, historically it takes years. so why did this one happen so quickly? well, well they're considered to be a lot of the sessions previously had was with countries which used to be part of their worth of packed or actually soviet republic, former republics of the soviet union. so they have been seen as needing more work. however, it will seem linda, sweet and i've been cooperating with nato for so long that a lot of the interoperability has been already aligned so it was easier, but also there was a huge interest to this country, joy and even, you know, for long, for a long time now so and, but of course, you know, there was an opportunity going on this war and now it's a good chance to expand the military lines during conflicts in human nature,

people seek internal and solidarity in order to face off an external threat. so it is a nice time to, you know, call for expanding the military, expanding military alliances. so i guess everyone was in a rush to get this done quickly before, well, low before the war might come down or piece might emerge so. so this may be a chicken or egg question, but i'm going to ask it anyway. is it russian aggression or posturing of some sort on the global stage that causes these nations to want to join nato? or is it the expansion of nato some nearly 20 times now? 11, just since the fall of the soviet union, technically collapsing in 1991. that is provocative, thus creating, you know, this self fulfilling prophecy if you will. well, i guess as many reasons why states who want to join nato,

one of them is that the united states pays for a lot of the security. so it's is seen as be giving our cloud security guarantees the while paying little. so it's usually consider a bit of a pre call in which do not have states provide space for them. the security. meanwhile, layer p in surrender or some other political independence. so we follow america leadership and in return, america pays for our security. but i would say that's whether or not it's russian aggression or well, what the cost is, i think, and it i'm on the list becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, which was a good expression. because nato, after the cold war, when it started expanding. russia was there week and this time, so it was considered by many, even james make a point to the south when all by the both use the word insurance guarantee. because in case they would have counseling with ross in the future, at least to have would have an old,

powerful nato arm to the seats next to russia. so they wouldn't dare to do anything . and then, of course, if i miss, if you start to expand the military block and pushing the military infrastructure close and close the border, and russia will have a reaction. this was the george kenneth's argument, actually in 1998. he was interviewed in the new york times, and he actually warned that to do that. and now that nato expands, at some point, russia will react negatively luck, integrate, power will do a few put military along as borders. much like us would do if, you know, russia, places military and mexico anyways. see his arguments was at some point rush, i will react negatively. and when this happens, and this is to, will paraphrase them or caught him was, at this point, the nato expand expansionist will x. well, the proponents are made to expansionism. would then argue that this is just the way russia, it's, it's aggressive good thing that we expand the nato. so it's,

it's an interesting logic. and this is why also we have this weird relationship with russia ever since we began expanding made on one hand, it's a deterrent against russia. on the same time, we're trying to assure russia, it's not against you. and, and this has to really matter what russia do, really, because if nato expanse and russia doesn't object well, then it's another threats. and, you know, there's no problem to expand to expand, but it may go, sorry, russia would object. well, that's a very aggressive thing to do if it starts to resist or fight back. and now we have to expand nato to contain russia. so, it's a difficult position. we kind of put the russians in because we, we essentially said that nato is just about democracy. and anyone who brought what, of course, expanding it will therefore be anti democratic will be anti civilizational. so essentially told to russians who gave them a dilemma. we're going to expand this block up their border either sit still and do

nothing or we will continue. so. yes, so so fulfilling prophecy? i think this is the right word to use as we say in the states professor. damned if you do and damned if you don't are coming up next. new nord stream the you when we'll talk proliferation and investigations. when we return with professor glen deezen. sit tight m o will be right back with her. ah, during the 2nd world war and nazi occupied poland valencia was a farming region. today is part of ukraine between 19431945 members of the

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don't watch my show stay mainstream because i'm probably gonna make you uncomfortable. my show is called direct impact, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you think. ah, welcome back to the m o i'm manila chant. so with finland, expanding the nato footprint around russia. no doubt. nato weapons while proliferate another 800 miles. meanwhile, russia is making moves of its own, with tactical nukes, moving into belarus. professor glen diesel author of the book, russo phobia propaganda, and international politics is back with us. so professor, recently vladimir putin made a deal with neighboring bella roost to build a storage facility for rushes, tactical nukes, and exchange for modernizing bella bruce's warplanes,

expected completion for this site will be this summer. actually, this will be near the bellow russian western border. the exact location is classified latvia, lithuania and poland are very upset by this barrel, nato countries. but could this latest push to bring in finland and maybe some day sweden, into the block. be the impetus as to why russian tactical nukes are moving into bell roof. well, it could be, i mean, there was an interview with the former secretary general, nato doesn't listen. and he was arguing in the future for conflict. the rest conflict, nato with russia, had the benefit of having sweden and finland into matters who could put a full blockade on on saint petersburg and denied them complete access into the baltic sea. so obviously, this is the problem. we imagine they will style the way around this. china, russia was mounting their military and mexico or canada. united states would,

would react them at the end of the day. it wouldn't benefits in one security. and this is the case here as well. so obviously, i think that's a symbol and it could have something to do with this. obviously the war in ukraine has something to do with it. and but overall, i think that's for the russian to stay. and they decided that the, all the so called rules space international order, where this one set the rules for the united states and another set of rules for russia, that it will be no longer acceptable. let's keep in mind that the non per proliferation treaty, the main treaty to address the proliferation of nuclear weapons, is very specific. the, to articles make it clear, a nuclear weapons states are not allowed to place nuclear weapons into non nuclear weapons states. but as we know in europe, do not a states as placed in nuclear weapons in belgium, germany, netherlands is only a turkey so, so we're maybe not

a states and this 5 year appeal countries. and now we see to finland, to the nato, so reluctant to live by the end nonproliferation treaty. but i could also be the reason why i'm a little bit more open to this. now is because this will entail some surrender of sovereignty. at some level, at least, it's because the deals of fairness. nathan could have some aggression against fellows, especially poland, could attack. this is the fear because no one would attack russia directly. this would be related to nuclear war, but the packing bellows might be a natural middle forward or escalation letter. so this could be it. but again, i'm speculating. the one in moscow is telling me what the main motivation is. of course, now let's not forget under us president donald trump, he withdrew the u. s. from the i n f treaty as well. so that causes quite

a danger for the rest of the world. switching gears here, professor, let's talk a little bit about the recent un vote on nord stream. the russian delegation spearheaded a vote at the united nations to conduct a joint investigation into who was responsible for destroying this multi 1000000000, multi, multi $1000000000.00, multi national project. only 3 votes in favor, russia, china, and brazil, all the other 12 security council members, abstained, rushes un ambassador by ceiling. a ben via said this ahead of the of the vote. he said, quote, without an objective and transparent international investigation, the truth will not be uncovered as to what happened. so the draft resolution seemed necessary. i would say, given that russia was barred from conducting their own investigation into the blast of their own pipeline. how do you read this vote and what happened there at the u.

n. s. c? well, it's not the many ways to read it. really. it's the west does not want an independent investigation into the taco north stream. it's i know that the new lincoln came out and said, well, the only reason why russia is doing this is because it's because they want to try to criminal to the united states to make it look guilty about that. you don't have an evidence. but again, this is the whole point. you have to have the investigation to have evidence, and i think it's quite extraordinary that the, not just us, but all it's the are p and partners as well. do not really want to know how many independent instigation into this think about the referred to us stuck on syndrome, but it is, it is quite strange. so again, i don't think because this is so politicized. someone attacked the main as some of

the key european energy infrastructure, a causing economic devastation to europe, but also an environmental disaster. and. and again, even the united states now said that the stuff the russians are behind this, they will try to throw the ukrainians on the bus. but anyways, if someone has done this, is shirley, this is important enough to, to investigate and the, and the, well i, i would agree, i don't think any names, any investigation now, either by the natal side or by the russian side would be credible. you need to have independent investigation. and keep in mind that the early on sweden did an investigation that they didn't want to share the results than with denmark and germany, which are their names. so alice and the site, the national security. so something obviously has happened there because someone attacked this pipelines and it's a good chance that this is natal country, packing and other nato countries. and so you would think an investigation would be

of interest. but i think that to control now it's important. we have to keep natal solidarity, which means we cannot know who would, who did this. and just a caught an article by washington post only a few days ago. it said that the come, it said the well, something like a leaders slowly see no benefits from digging too deeply and finding an uncomfortable answer. so this is the, this was, this is the sentiment now in nato. we, i think we know who did this and, but we do not want to have it confirmed because then it will be very uncomfortable . it would so divisions within the military lines. and we can't have divisions. now we have to all march in the same tune and staff together against russia. according to sy hersh his article about how north stream was destroyed. this would have

required approval, or at least acceptance or understanding by denmark. given that the blast site was just off the coast of florida, home island, which is danish territory, not to mention, according to hershey's reporting, the bombs were planted during the nato exercises called bolt ops. denmark is a native member. up until this point, what was denmark? relationship with russia, and now that denmark has rejected russia's request to conduct their own investigation. where does that put their future relations? well, the trust is completely gone, obviously. now that goes both ways. obviously, the denmark, us lost a lot of trust in russia, but also russia has lost all trust now in, in denmark, because, again, some on the attack, the energy infrastructure built by the russians. as you said before, i think around those who stand it now and that they are now seeing to effectively obstruct an investigation in this kind of thing. so usually make you sound like

a conspiracy if there is. but there are no other explanations at this point anymore . so so i think here this is just going to continue to damage the relationship between the mark and rush, obviously. but also i think over over a long term, i think this will also cause some divisions within, within the ranks of nato. because as i mentioned before at the moment, and we don't want to find out who actually attacked us because we're afraid that this could create divisions. or there's only because we need to have. so bear to now, because we're in the fact the war against, with russia. now, once this war comes to an end, there's more chance that we're going to start looking around at the, you know, who, who attacked us because for, for germany, this is quite the devastating. they are the leading economy in europe. they're the

locomotive driving your forward, and a lot of their industries are quite energy intensive and all of these industries and faltering and again it's industries can't be competitive anymore, and that's with expensive energy estimate from the united states. so. so the main driving force of the airplane economy has now gone off the rails and, and the is taking rest of europe with it. so once, once everything starts going wrong with the economy and when the war is over, i think we're going to start to look among each other for him to blame. so at least that's my prediction. russia, china, brazil, the yes boats at the u. n. s. c, all members of bricks. is there any coincidence their nose? no, not really. they are well, they're aligning their economies more and more, and also having more security or military cooperation. and at the same time, we see that the bricks country are harmonizing their, their, their policy,

political statements to a greater degree. so again, their biggest countries are also members of the shanghai corporation organization. not brazil, of course. and and, but it shouldn't be a surprise, but i'm more, i'm more surprised to be honest about the, the, the soul dorothy, who, who with, with, with, in the west at mom. because i think for countries on the outside it's not just a bricks country. i think the rest of the world's looking at this and thinking, well, what other explanations could there be? keep in mind that the united states, they used to sanction the european allies for participated in building the nor stream project. and you had their reports from rand corporation, which is a us thing. thank you. ordered in 2019 by the us army. and one of the steps to weakening russia was the 1st step was to stop the north stream to you had the leading us politicians from mike, from pale from cotton, you know, 10th cruise. all of them saying even jake fell in those saying we had to stop

nordstrom to and this is before us and that we had joe biden said, we're going to bring it to an end victoria newland before before. and after the attack saying that this was a good thing that this was blown up in. so it's just been over and over again. when we see that that will do not stay from the threatening to destroy it. and then of course, after they destroy this, we have people like anthony blink in no uncertain term, arguing that the destruction, nor stream of a tremendous opportunity. so, and in europe, we're not even allowed to say that the u. s. will benefit from its destruction even as you know, the head they're celebrating a washing we can't even say, because this will be this information. instead, we're claiming, you know, this is the rational playbook and, and this is, this is a situation where, so i think when the rest of the world looks at this, what, well, what other conclusion can they reach?

and again i, i think, i think in the unity now within, within the rich countries it's quite, it's quite the natural not only because they're aligning the policies, but also if you're standing on the outside looking in, i'm not sure how else you could, you could interpret this indeed, i would just add one last thing to some extent the united states have already admitted to some extent that has been lying. because after seymour hersh published a story in which she claim the united states with the support of norway attacked the pipeline. and united states responded by, well, 1st of all, thing that there was probably a cranium group behind it, which doesn't make any sense at all. but also washington said that his intelligence community knew that it was russia, but they wanted to protect the ukrainians. so this is quite a us met and course now washington, admitting that he was lying when he was saying that was probably russia pointing

towards russia and even risking war with russia. so this is like this public and the wide world. so i'm not, i'm not surprised by the fact that the bricks countries are coming together because, and that simply isn't the handheld explanation anymore than the united states attached to your theme and their genes restructure. so i see this alignment being quite natural professor and glen deason at the university of oslo in norway. thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us. that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that dig deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila chan. thank you so much for turning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the ammo ah

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