said by question that senior global justice follow ad when writing. now let's start with this often quote, reasons, because here we have a former colony telling an infant tile illusions of omnipotence and it needs to take response. the what the minister is saying is that are the was problems, but the was problems are not the best, whether it is debt issues, whether or not there to help us, like when the best. once they put a lot of pressure on the globe out to support those saying is that look when we have our problems and we need to empathize. i'm a problem, sar, before insisting name away it was intended in the west, a thing, the west and this narrative is very much a lee. but it, i think the weiss is being the neutral in this crisis in ukraine. they don't want to take sauce. population is taking this position,

something of the was population is not supporting them on this basis and you 1000000 is supporting the current best position. africa, middle east and south asia are referring. i think one of the reasons they're doing this is they're making of russia and, and the countries that are engaged in this crisis action to stay neutral, not to fan the flames. it is this situation is now being understood because is more and more reportings happening. why so that people are supporting and i think that's what reverend me, that no country, including, by the way, russia in it's official itself internationally. and yet, you know, russia for certain reasons. even though, as you sat most countries on that position, at least in my, in my experience, it sat apart from the plea for peace. because a, i think it has to do with the underground structure thing. now,

some nuances to this position by the globe. and so you, for of my circumstances and i will explain to you understand or empathize with its problems and you know, the pin demick was a bit come wrong. russia from china, from indian, there's a lot of money that if there's another content, make me be stuck in the same money. and they know that most of the former colonial powers, and they remember that history much better than the best, very difficult trauma, the colonial history. i think a todd reason in for the future of europe then for the future of the anti world. but we may have to pay very high, a high price because it's not just the global south. it's not just the happenstance, it's a deliberate policy. mister damon, one pat, my pass in which he said of debt to subsidize it's households and businesses as, as you should not have been to subsidize it's, it is people in the won't do service. this decked is dead. and as it is

on the vast is being high price because men goes down and this is combined with in the high price, but a war in which they had nothing to do with it standard that nelson mandela often said that it was the soviet so they apartheid regime, and i think the kremlin at this point is trying to use in the 2 countries and certainly no other war for additional territory, but it's inter, eternally privileged, the west and many, many others. do you think that kind of framing or resonating sounds, but for me suddenly grades in a significant when she's 150 years. as you know, britain's g. 50 years of that gloria history. the wealth that was well that was absorbed by britain was 40 trillion and india was not the only than the rest does. is a rotten and off with them. the when the united states, i went to war with mexican children. we don't remember it, but german and mexico do. so in a sense, this almost forgotten in the not, and i,

one of that, it, that kind of sentiment that mister mandela was expressing that love upon account apartheid was very much understood. it came, it was not only in the struggle for in defense, but after independence, the largest infrastructure, the blonde and post independent india union, and the communist systems did not. i said that low the south russia is still seen as the i do not. you can, in russia, we have had maybe 2030 years of being a show, good things and inspiring things. and things devil we ourselves have to come to grips with an eye for bending your own groan. which leads me to my next question you, the ukrainian proxy war is a sort of a war for the if you agree with that, but to the side to the 2nd. sure, they understand that russia is out for it's on the can security. but when one country takes on behalf jasmine wants to protect at all costs, doesn't it?

in the global south, there is a much clearer understanding of the cold war. i think the global understand pathway to the containment of china and administration about not an inch eastwards and, and georgia. so it seems to us, it's quite easy to sort of presented as a one that this so called space international order under which well, can i stop here right here because this is a fascinating question we need to explore. ah,

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy dramatic development. only i'm going to sit down and talk with welcome mr. method just before i interrupted you, you were talking about and you also brought in one of your previous articles that sion from the most pressing issues facing the this is this something that i want to ask you about has the west of the most pressing developmental issues not paying lip service, but truly trying to we alleviate suffering for the same has come from the one bang from the i man, we're the only owe santa if you look at what these to share, the intellectual property on the vaccines. nothing was she asked vaccinated by mid

20211 in 5 little this out. we also saw how it graham on, on the demick was junk, started by sporting from china, south africa received from the see them in to help was really needed. it was not as well. the fact of the matter is that the help that has come in the more rush out from india over the past 20 years on countries to the extent of around $900000000000.00 in the world. $150.00 of those countries, most of them in the wrong china, just 2 weeks ago, been present good in, in dollars that the african countries owed to russia. source off load like a laser infrastructure financing and manufacturing. so they have other options as we move me from the unique will inpatient, better protected by being open,

not just to the vast india, many other the so called develop something that they can actually improve people's lives. whereas the way is very interesting to me from a psychological point, this sounds very infantile, both demanding and there others for validation, you know, your own value and your share. what you can see on, you know, the, they are being paid and the other countries joining really secure about morally secure and not offering or rather imposing on the rest of the world. there is some degree of uncertainty that has in my view, um ma'am, to see could be of the solutions that have come about that have been critical of us that i've been there that have been a challenge, the vet, in yemen and so forth. so it is nice to look at that would strengthen the best position, you know, in some

a certain stand here that is important to the best sees this book because that sensor wanted instant pride that they would be now starting to be question and what the ukraine crisis has done is kind of the world, i mean that's why you speak article last week. it said it is or this information is in russia. and for years they believe that perception is reality, but it's actually dip issue of sanctions. i read recently a very interesting interview with developing countries could not succumb to canada for and especially if you are a democratic country, you cannot afford to put some necessities like food and fertilizer expert. so there is a simple reason for why they simply cannot afford to, to join the international politics, could actually benefit from this interest through this admittedly horrible war. do you think there is any silver line ration that we're witnessing right now? i think that it is not possible for the rest to expect that the lining is the fact

that as a result of this crisis in china, we're seeing among type all a will emerging, especially trade starts to take owner. the dog beast is shaving, is taking place in currency to another. so that because this crisis, i will stand point i've been and that is suddenly my please repeat to realize that we did not meet this world. the edge of that new country generation. you have to go back interest that each country has and you cannot have security a one of the, i mean, i think this is also part of humanity at the expensive and, but i, i, i plea for peace, but as a russian, i was, well maybe that's a, you know, the heritage, but you know, the, the long as it takes bigger markets to do so. but is that i says, so with in the united states they problems many countries died that bass and the worst case scenario was concerned about its own. the best case scenario would be,

well, the rest to realize that your future and we cannot continue to just interest have to be taken into gone. i think that's, that's the worst case. that as long as it takes scenario is something that people are saying button and the rest is d industrialized taking place in parts. anerio is not what is going to play out in the long run and we need to create an interesting question that lot. i do not ask a question, which basically means that b o, the same reason means to work together in peace. and i think that's the lesson benita. all this fall in the world 3. the other says me yourself onto the tree that and there are no exceptional nations. we are all unique and that's our destiny. it's been a fascinating conversation, is a thing on the world's apart. ah ah

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