next, even our video agency, roughly all band to on youtube, with o, the soon inch of slaves, the polish government and nursed will look back. world war one, how germany reparations again to the sentence of polish use, killed in concentration camps. back in the 1950s, poland relinquished the right to reparations, partly due to deal with that, then soviet union. but now they're pressuring the un to make germany pay up. this

is similar to reparations. being can see there in america. the sentence of slaves could be receiving $200000.00. they, they are behind this type of reparation. 8th, the people alive now had been punishing life or hadn't had as many chances because their ancestors were treated poorly in america. another us preparation also in america is the state of california. the state of california is looking to pay the native americans who were 4th fully their life. the $4500000.00 program will provide $600.00 people who are still alive, boards of $15000.00 per person who are forced to be their life by the government. but is this enough? could any amount ever be enough when you have taken away the ability to have a child by question to all these? is it fair to pay $15000.00. the person who has been stripped of

a theatre compared to one who is burden is to be slavery descendant. i'm tennis, atlanta, 436. the you back to me is cutting. wow. that there are some definitely some hard questions that i think a lot of people are asking today. thank you so much roxan. joining me now to discuss his american historian gerald horn, who currently holds the john j, rebecca moore's chair of history and african american studies at the university of houston. thank you so much for joining me. gerald. thank you for inviting me. ok, we're talking about reparations, and do you believe there is a time limit or sort of stature limitations which should exist on who should be able to collect? and i'm the only talk about people here in united states, but also around the world will certainly would go to the united states. there should be no time limit. you may know that the claim for reparations with regard to what's being discussed in sacramento, california. as we speak, turns on the question of and slave africans. as you know in the united states of

america, there is a legal principle that there should be there should not be a wrong without a remedy. the wrong was the fact that people were brought across the atlantic against their will, forced to work for free. the remedy is reparations to their descendants who have suffered grievously as a result of that initial enslavement. there is a stork president for reparations united states. i heard, and you're set a piece that there was mention of the, in an unjust incarceration of japanese americans during world war 2. a few decades later, they were granted reparations by the us government, united states government, even as lobby to broad for reparations to the folks who were subjected to the holocaust and central eastern europe, and the 1930. so the 1940, even though the united states was not a principle with regard to that unjust crime against humanity. indeed, germany has credit reparations to the state of israel,

which did not exist during the time that the holocaust took place. so given that i'm not sure why we should exempt people of african descent in north america from the just remedy of reparations. so let's actually talk about your plan for how reparation should be assessed and distributed. what you consider to be the best, most realistic and the best logistical plan that could be put into place. well, it depends, as you know, in the city of evanston, illinois, where northwestern university is cited. there is a reparations plan locally based upon the unjust discrimination against people of african descent and that municipality, a similar plan as unfolding and providence, rhode island. with regard to california, you have a panel that has been taking testimony for many months now with regard to reparations. your audience should know, however, that even when this panel comes up with their plan,

it still has to pass muster in the legislature in sacramento, and then been signed into law by governor gavin newsome who we understand has presidential plans. and that made a hamper his ability to sign so called legislation or such legislation for reparations into law. so there are many obstacles and barriers before reparations is implement. so i, since you have done such a large study into this and you obviously look and see what would work, where would the majority of this money come from? where do you believe that the money that would be paid out should come from and who should it go to? it will come from the us treasury, understand that the death and united states already is over 30 trillion dollars. the deficit is also in the trillions, as i understand that as well. the united states government profit handsomely from the african slave trade. and in fact, even after the states government circuit, 18

o 8 said that the african slave trade was illegal, it continued post 18 away. you should also know that u. s. and slavers were also active in cuba and brazil. and so i think that given the profits, the unjust profits gleaned from the african slave trade, that helped to create the superpower. it's only fair adjusted the superpower pay reparations to the families of those who were pulverized and penalize by these crimes against humanity. but you just said yourself, united states government, and even even though it's a superpower and it seems like we have lots of money, you just said yourself. we are trillions of dollars in debt. so we're not, we might look like a superpower. i think you and i can agree that we definitely have some money issues you would operate your household, kind of like the federal government offering me that the money that would go out would be tax period or grounds. going specifically took into something good, like in a dominant trust or even specifically and to equipment for the community. well,

with regard to the united states government and his problems concerning money. when the time came to antioch suit ukrainians with united states government did not have a hesitation in finding billions and billions and billions for the ukrainians, even though there is a lot loud minority that suggests the united states and still be focused on homelessness question and the hunger question in the united states of america, but somehow that was overlook. with regard to specific groups, you have the united states government paying out billions and billions on a regular basis to those $65.00 and older. not least through social security, not least through medicare. there are those who say, why give that money to those 65 and older? why not give that to those 5 years old and younger? and that argument obviously does not carry any weight, isn't a states of america. but when it comes for half, perhaps,

for some strange reason to talking about a sick of death, dep designated black people to be recipients for taxpayers dollars. all of a sudden we get this argument about what about these other people. i find that very curious indeed, you know, i can't argue the fact the united states can make very poor decisions for our country. so foreign debt, we still give it lots and lots of aid to people and usually that's not transferred . i can't argue that point on that side of it, but i do have to ask you, they're not only here in america, they are looking at that situation here. but in october, poland actually turned around and demanded $1.00 trillions and reparation paid for by germany for damages from world war 2. now, germany's already paid poland 2 different rounds of previous payments, both immediately following the end of world war 2 various times. the last 70 years . so how many rounds or generations should be required to satisfy or is it just something that should be considered forever just based off of a time period of one generation?

well, i'll let warsaw and berlin sort out their particular problems esther man that has arisen with regard to reparations to the descendants of an slave families while interesting, you know, and you obviously have say that very much. and i really appreciate you sharing your insight. and i really respect you in everything that you've done. thank you so much for joining us. thank you for inviting me and we come back. we're going to dive in reparations around the world. and what distinguishes which groups are deserving of monetary justice with our guests, malik abdul name man was supposed to put plumbing in so you know this, it will vehicle car yet know blessed us that we should be the should do. so do you know? i don't think you let us, but that's a group that was on the

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this is your 360 view. i'm just going to use. we're going to continue our conversation with a different perspective on reparations from a dual conservative commentator, thanks for joining me. ma lake. thanks for having me. scottie ok, i want to start off with the concept of reparations. and do you believe members of the present day society should be a monitor him out to a certain demographic group because of injustice done by past generations. i think that really that that decision that i had draw distinction between what the government or private businesses do. i'm like, for instance, georgetown university, georgetown university here. they as what part of what they considered reparations. they are, i believe allowing free tuition from the descendants of slaves who were actually on georgetown universities. boy who were actually old and traded by georgetown university. i think that's much very appropriate. i have an issue with the federal

government, that's the issue. and when you listen to people talk about reparations, typically you never really hear them describe outside of the monetary value, which is ultimately what i say is, is that it ultimately comes down to a check. because when you hear the reparations discussion, people typically talk about certain programs targeting specifically african americans. but at the end of the day, the government already does that. so my is, my, i don't believe in reparations, in the sense that people are talking about, issuing out a check. but are there things that the federal government has it will continue to do to close that gap because of the history of racism against selecting the country . they're already doing that. so i don't think that reparation. it's outside of a check. i honestly don't believe it's a real thing. well then you have like world history, which is filled with almost every civilization at some point,

doing something at the time, which was acceptable. but people looked back on and said kassawa that was her read fake. could almost every one claim at some point they are owed something by some one or some country just based on what the lineage is. was sure i do think that it is a bit different when you comes to america, because keep in mind, america did well. the united states did things a little differently. we ended slavery much later than some of our, you know, international counterparts. so we did things differently and it, we enshrined into law discrimination against a, a, basically native africans or descendants of africans. so my point in saying that is that since then, since a v o knew you'd be emancipation proclamation in many of the laws to address that. we've had laws, we've had programs. so we've had,

we've done the united states has done a lot to address this, where we get caught up in the reparations discussion, is because really, if you listen, people are talking about programs. but they're also talking about a check, the government, the united states government is not going to cut every descendant of american slavery, a check, but design estates is not going to do this. so people continue this reparation and it's an angry or so discussion it. i don't even realize what people get so angry im an emotional about it because again, the federal government is already doing things to target minority communities the, you know, an indigenous community. we're always doing asked the question, and they're saying that aid could be up to $200000.00 of a check that issued to every individual would that i find it really find that. i think that a monetary figure, a monetary amount could actually solve a problem like racism, or systematic racism like i, i think there takes a lot more depth. i put a lot more credit than a dollar amount,

can actually solve it. that being said, you look at countries around the world, you look at, obviously there's a lot of questions right now about germany putting more even more reparations once again to those of polish descent other countries. i, even, obviously i countries in africa looking to the u. k. i to talk about the colonization, the damage they did there. the question is, one would say why, way to you and i, our generation be accountable for issues done 3 to 4 or 5 generations ago. and here is to say, what side my is my ancestor on, on what side your ancestors were on. and why should my taxpayers do that? go to pay an individual rather than what's good for the entire community. i would much rather see it go into a community find to helping trick courage, education a local communities rather than just individuals. scotty, you and you, and i both know i'm, we've seen the studies. this is in, it isn't a new thing. i think of a lottery winners. think of what they say,

what happens to lottery winners or anyone when you give them a lump sum of money? if that's not matched with some type of financial education, more than likely you're going to be broke. so sure. if people want to give out hand out a check, the only thing that you've done is hand out a check. you haven't done anything to actually close the poverty level because we know as soon as people get that money, it goes right back to the, into the economy, which is a good thing for the economy. but at the end of the day, many of them, many of those lottery winners and up broke. so no, i don't think the idea of just issuing out a check, but which is why i'm against it. and when people have this push back against it and say, well hey, maybe we should focus on because i've done it myself. i've been criticized for people myself when i say, hey, let's focus on closing those gaps. continuing what the government is already doing . i'm not focus on a check, i get attacked because i'm saying, well, how could you not, you know, do what, how could you not support

a check or reparations? i just don't, but it's a very contentious issue and i imagine that he will continue to be so sometime into the future. i think in the united states, i have to look at his, the rounds of cove at aide and the covet checks that we all got. i mean, when they come down to not only was the individuals, how many, those individuals actually use that money to pay their rent, pay their food, pay their insurance, or how many them bought new gucci bags, or new shoes, or any made their payments on new cars. but more importantly, the corruption that so often comes in, we're talking about this amount of money that would go into and who would place and distributed sadly, like with cove it. we found out that that money never actually usually made it to people. so it might sound good that everybody gets a check, but unfortunately, i think for almost every dollar that would go into somebody who deserves it. how much of it, when to those people's, the bureaucracy meant that had nothing to do with it. you know, i won't look at california because they are looking to pay $2000.00 and to decide, and there's a panel trying to see how these reparations should be paid out. now,

people are recommending the money to be paid by putting into a trust towards tuition advanced education housing grants. i imagine this is something you could support i if, if a state chooses to do this, you know, i'm, i'm not even with that. i'm not necessarily so thrilled about that idea, but if the state of california or any state for that matter chooses to do that, that i'm absolutely fine with it. again, i kind of draw a finer, a straight line when it comes to the federal government. but sure, you can kind of give, you know, if, if they're able to figure out how to do it. and because the you're talking about a very complicated thing because you're having to prove ancestry, getting all of that documentation in. and as you know with many times, people don't submit the proper documentation. so i mean, it sounds good. i'm not opposed to it, but i'm not necessarily, you know, kind of cheering that this is something that they're doing well as my various

stereo executive producer pointed out in the booth my air just now. she's like, california never had slavery. so it's interesting, if we're gonna be doing the states by states, it's interesting that california would ever be doing this there. the say taking that now we were talking about some of the southern states. we can, we can have some conversations in there, but california tell you this. if you don't see that, once again, it's a political move is, is that my feeling on this and, and what, and will it work? who knows? but you've also had this idea of those that were native americans, that word i think it's under somewhat of a different situation because it's more present day. you saw people who are alive, $15000.00 for being sterilized. that was government. and i think that is absolutely atrocious. sterilized native americans. now they're saying, hey, guess white get lost your chance to have any fear g, future generations. but we're going to give you $15000.00. this will be provided to 600 people who are still alive to day, who were sterilized for sterilization. that what can, what, how do you feel about those types of situations?

i think that so if we're talking about the direct either the victim, if you will, or the direct descendant, meaning one generation. so the grand, that the children of some wine. absolutely. because that is still, that's not something that's not, you know, 5610 generations. and that's part of the problem with the reparation. because we're talking about generations of people as opposed to those who were directly, for instance, those who were in, out of even go maybe 2 generations. so the grandchild of a slave. well, i don't know, i, we don't have very many grandchildren of slaves here in the united states. and if they do, they're very, very, very old. but we don't have very many, i'm, so that's what, that's also what makes it complicated. because the notion is that anybody does it anybody gets, and then you have to prove, not only that you are a descendant play, but that you are out in american defenders of slave. so if you are from haiti and

you've been in america all of your life and your parents have been in america, but they were from haiti, or they were from a, you know, jamaica, any place like that, then you wouldn't qualify for the reparations. even if you have spent your entire life year, that's part of the complicated that it is not even nuances. just complicated to pull something like this off, which is why ultimately i don't think we'll ever have a reparations. as far as a check, i think they will brand things, they will give more money to certain programs and they will brand that as reparations. but i don't think that a check would be coming from the united states government, at least the federal government. and the once again, you have to look at their back. i mean, vice president comma harris received a reparation concerning her grandfather was for the largest slave owners in jamaica . things know, things that neither would morocco, obama and those are things that we would have to have that would have to be flushed out before a pity was issued. i would hope. thank you mike. i've always great to talk to you.

thanks for having me. i don't think there is a single person on earth who could not claim some injustice was done to one of their ancestors. and to me, i do not understand how you can justify punishing the present based on the actions of the past. if anything, all this does is build up ill will between the various groups involved even more concerning it when only one group is giving the ability to ask while other groups are said their grievances don't count for mainly because they cannot create enough social pressure to justify they're refusing to pay damages, does not mean you're refusing to acknowledge sense, which were committed in the past. no one is denying a person who feels guilty about something from the past, taking the initiative with their own money to make that right. but forcing the countries taxpayers to do so, it's only submitting to a mob which might never be content. at this point, america, we are a melting pot of many countries. now it's mentioned some very good things came from

a very bad times in history. should we also deny those advances and take away the praises meant to the individuals who overcame the toughest of circumstances and still did something for the benefit of all. of course not that would be ignorant, which is exactly how i feel about opening up the pandora's box regarding reparations sounds. kind of he is and this has been the 360 of you. thank you for watching. ah whoa. roku now a been good a lot of them are bertram number. no one for

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