tv Cross Talk RT April 20, 2023 11:00pm-11:29pm EDT
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all the news hello and welcome across the top where all things are considered. i'm peter live, l u k. defend secretary, ben wallace recently said i'm optimistic between this year and the next year. i think ukraine will continue to have the momentum with it and a position of strength. he also said, there's no magic one moment when russia collapses. in what universe does wallace reside? in the cross talking confused narratives. i'm joined by my guess,
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calling raleigh and apple valley. she is a retired f b i agent, and a former minneapolis division legal counsel. in belgrade we have stephen guy edge. he is a research associate at belgrade institute for european studies. and in cons we cross to alex hello bridge. he is a veteran reporter and a foreign affairs analyst. cross, i pros and effect, that means you can jump in time, you want, and i would appreciate it was go to belgrade for steven, let me go to you. i know it's easy to pick on ben wallace, you know, a glorified nobody. but you know everyone throughout these leads, they tell you exactly what they're thinking, not what they want us to think. ok. so he thinks that thing things are going just hunky dory, for the ukrainians and rushes is facing imminent collapse here. all while in the background we have all of these leaks that came through a 21 year old reservists saying completely opposite things here. so, i mean, do we feel this have any lead to message and, but the realities are hidden behind the curtain that every once in
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a while through leaks. if they're real, i can't tell. they are not. tell us a very different story. go ahead in belgrade. i think that the elites in the west are, became victims essentially, and hostages of their own propaganda. they got high on their own supply. and this is why we hear all these. kudos, view grain all the time. whereas it, in fact things are turning really a sour for of the western had germany not only in ukraine, but around the world. while the media in the united states is a preoccupied with january 6th, 2020, or with what is happening in some villages around backwards. ah, the percent duct nations are getting away from the western currencies. the a deal that the united states had with saudi arabia and the otter gulf countries zone. it comes to all and the, the control of the price is a lot of oil is off,
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latin america is turning away from the u. s. and that's why probably we hear the is a fairy tales about about the dissolution of russia. so well calling, let me go to you in apple valley. i mean, you, you are in the f b, i hear you, you know, give us your sense of the veracity of these leaks here because we haven't really seen them. we've seen some reports on these lee. it's very different. like with weekly leaks. ok. so you as an expert, could look at documents and figure out if they're real or not, and probably very quickly. now we're just given these pictures. ok. and they, and actually there are contradictory, different pictures out there to is this a psych off operation here, or is it just the usual incompetence we expect from these people go ahead calling? i think the leaks themselves are real. are they got the u. s. government would not have gone to it to the measures that they dag trying to hunt this guy down and find
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them. unfortunately though, once they didn't get seen by a lot of people, just gamers in the and dot belin kat researchers. so it is possible that some of these documents now could have been tampered with, or, you know, forged except for it to change them slightly. that's possible. if anything, leaks now, you worley would have to be skeptical. but i think initially that some of the reports of what they contained were correct. it's also possible that some, some higher level people, maybe not the top level. actually we're okay with some of the leaks. yeah. you know, they try tech. they try to manage our perception. and so a lot of this is through dis, information. and sometimes actually information can be skilled to allow that this information. well alex, i think, you know, cohen has a very good point. i've thought about that myself, but there's also this growing,
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i wouldn't even say debate because debates not really allowed. but you know, this seems to be much more of a biden administration agenda, forcing in upon the european union. it's, and it's nato allies. and then you have the intel community saying something very, very different. and i tend to agree with colleen. i think some people in the intel community are wanted to, to actually show that there is some kind of descent within the intel community as opposed to the political class your thoughts alex? i mean we've seen this in the past strategically. so this really happened at a certain time for, for a certain reason. this could be all timing on, you know, we, we know the situation on the ground and back boats and beyond. we know the situation is not exactly what the western media is making it out to be. so why not put a little shiny star in the corner to look over this way. we have a leak for you to, you know, pay attention to instead of what's actually happening on the ground. there's also other reasons, obviously for there to be a distraction. i mean,
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the situation in western europe in the you itself, is not the best. the economy is suffering because of this war and has a huge part to do with what's going on. and the fact that the sanctions aren't working. so i, you know, i said this before, i've helped write the book on stations when i used to work in the former yugoslavia for an agency. you an agency in belgrade and our conclusion at that time was that sanctions don't work. and i would stick to that to this day. so the story is, i think when you have something of this magnitude a, it's allowed to slip out. sometimes. second of all, we're looking at a 21 year. ready gamer, how can you get your hands on this kind of information? so there must be something behind this? is it just a distraction, or is it a lot more than that? well, you, steven, you know, i, i have been told by the former in town officials specific, but it's a virtual impossibility. an individual like this could get access to these documents unless he was given them. ok. ok,
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i don't want to go into this is he's got, we can chase our tails on this, and that's what they want us to do here. but i wanted to throw that out. when i started out with ben wallace talking about, you know, the imminent collapse of brush, i mean, i don't know what scenarios people have been talking about here. i thought it was about democracy versus a talk or see, it's about destroying russia. decoupling from china, it's all over the place here. stephen, go ahead. these situations are getting wilder and wilder, where at the same time we see that the credibility of the politician is just plummeted. politicians, there's a lot of thing, especially when it comes to be in positions, for instance. now, micron is talking about right strategic economy of europe. at the same time when he has huge protests in, she's on country and when his words are discredited. let's remind ourselves that back in 2018, he said that france needs to detach where the security from from
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the united states that made his brain that, that the strategic partnership with both russia turkey should be done. whereas in the meantime, i'm frank france made a military deal with greece that he's essentially against the 3rd 3rd. and it is a literally involved in the war against russia by supplying weapons and training to ukraine. so i think that, that, that, of course, in this atmosphere, us speculations became, became something you know, we are losing the, a border let's say, between a reality and, and the speculative world world. and this called upon the western politicians as, as well. so that is why of course, now it is completely normal to you know, for them to sell us the story that the gamer is capable of finding such kind of documents on his own. m calling,
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you can display this shell game just so much because you just have to look out the window and that's what reality is. crime, inflation adida, industrialization. and these wacky woke stuff that everybody i, which i simply can't comprehend. ok, you can only play this diversionary game so much when you know, when the bill comes home, i mean, you know, they leave in the cia is made it very clear. i guess another strategic lake this how much the zalinski regime is skimming off of us aid here. that's an untenable thing. when your water supply in your home town is polluted, go ahead in apple bill. i'm apple valley. sorry. yeah, that's the tricky part of managing people's opinions and quote unquote, making your own reality is that it does, it works for a while and in fact it's quite easy to do for a while as long as you control the mainstream media. however, it wears thin after
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a while and truth eventually, there's an old song about the grass grows through the concrete. you know the truth eventually get through to people's heads regardless. and that's why this constant distraction is necessary. it's really frustrating to be a victim of it. i have to say, you know, i want to throw my my something at the t v all the time because it's really frustrating to see this go on and not be able to push the truth out more. * but you know, you have to hope that the people that are managing people's perception with gets information and constant distraction, etc. well, well eventually there will be more leaks more, more with the more you have to hope that. and you have to hope that the recklessness of the people on the top, in their desperation, does not get worse,
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where they are, they feel forced to do even more reckless measures. well, alex, a good example is that, is that most of the world doesn't by the nonsense about the destruction of the nord stream pipelines, more people asking questions or oh, and by the way, seymour hersh now is considered misinformation on facebook. i think of colleen is absolutely right. people getting to say this is getting untenable. 30 seconds, where are we going to break ahead alex this, what we're looking at right now, our virtue signaling has become a priority over telling the truth. so i mean, my background is canadian, i'm from canada, born and raised. if you want the epitome of virtue signal signal, and that will be the country of canada, right now, sinister, excess truck. it all comes down to about, oh look, we're helping do it by doing this. we're hoping by doing that for you. craig, for ukraine, for you. great for you. great. be in europe for just one day, you know, number of ukrainian plates. good as be seen just driving around and i'm not about regular cars. i'm talking about a 100000 euros or no,
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i'm talking about rolls royces with ukrainian lakes 2024 automobiles that were bought and ukraine, driven over here by somebody that's under the age of 50, usually a male. so everything that we're thinking is happening in ukraine in that we're setting some money there to help the people on the ground. it's helping a lot of people on, on your credit, ukrainians, a great lead. and this part of the program we're going to go to a short break and have her is our break will continue our discussion on confused narrative. stay with ah ah ah, ah
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a robot must obey the orders given by human beings except we're such orders that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence at that point, obviously is to place trust rather than fear a job in with artificial intelligence. real somebody with ah, welcome back to cross stock with go back to belgrade room, but i think it's worth talking about the about the katana, me, which i makes it kind of comic and even tragic. is it? well, prices. so any talk of autonomy is almost with you're not talking about will we be strategically autonomy from the united states? kron saying these things after an hour,
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and he's still trying to pretend to be in a bike or somebody who has a dependency watching the a, you know, process is aware. in fact, i think that biden has brought back that. oh yeah, ron was talking about and, and in that that france and germany in the 1st place became exactly what drum says, that they should not be, they became vessels of the united states. and i mean, this reminds me of the prison psychology where i wants to preserve, gives in a little bit, then you know that no, and to concessions. and that is exactly what france did. and now mac drawn, woke up after, after a year, being heavily involved in war with french, and it's being sent to ukrainian front as we speak. and now he's talking about strategic autonomy. i honestly don't know what it was, what is happening?
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well, you know, he said he sees in the same, you know, circle has been wallace. these people are, are delusional. they think they have power. they think they have agency, they don't. okay. and what they spent, they claim to speak for the people at least adelina, better box said to true, she doesn't care what her voters like. you know at lee she she, you know, she was honest. okay. she was transparent. the rest of them are a pack of liars, only let me go back to you. one of the things, i mean, it's already been kind of mentioned this program, but you know, i can remember what happened in ukraine with forest regime change. they are, they attempted it in syria, they succeeded in iraq and afghanistan. not that the results were all that great west, is that the same kind of beliefs or, or enacting regime change at home. they're using exactly the same playbook of disinformation, empowering certain groups, um, disappearing others. we see this with social media all the time. you know, i give kudos the on must be that, you know,
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twitter is not going to change the world. it could influence it, but it won't change it. and i think this is what creating so much frustration is because the leads are saying what, what problems are out there and they will work on them. but they're not my problems and they're not yours. go ahead. well, is the regime change playbook has worked a lot and you mentioned, however, there it has. it worked on most recently for instance, with hong kong. it, it didn't work real well. it didn't work real well with venezuela rush. so there's been, i think it turn here where that play book a regime change is becoming harder to enact. and yes, i think it's also true. they're, they're arresting. i just anti war people that are, you know, anti war were arrested in charge. i don't know what they can even be charged with for their opinions, but this seems to be again, more an evidence of more desperation on the part of the control. people who
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want to control the narrative at the top that they then have to resort to measures like charging people in the united states who are anti war mice by the censorship. that they work in collaboration with social media. the seems as if you were in charge, you wouldn't want to, to engage in those measures because they actually are counterproductive. and i think all of this, you know, it's just a blow back from the situation that the united states has been waging, you know, perpetual quote. unquote, perpetual war for so long that it becomes more and more get, are harder to control the narrative. and they have to resort to these unique unusual measures. well, yes, alex, here i'm, i've been watching the prime minister of canada. i mean, you know, for an american administration that wants to divide the world into a talker season democracies. i don't know why canada's in the democracy category seems very autocratic to me with the prime minister. you have mr. trudeau
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autocratic, or that you have for me that's double. ready i did judo, i mean, basically what's happening in canada, the problem is that there really is no other choice. well, there's 3 parties and you're looking at the same thing and all 3 parties, everybody is a part of the world economic forum. everybody's being ruled by the exact same people. one person will say they're conservative, the other will say they're liberal, the other will say they're socialists of them in the end. they're all exactly the same. so true don't. once what he's doing is basically just trying to maintain power. the whole thing with ukraine is, is part and parcel with that we have a huge ukrainian population. i believe it's the 2nd biggest. yeah. in english canada after the english speaking people. so that's your voter base, so that's who you're playing to and the rest of the people just fall into line. but like there, i mean, i'm in france now and i'd speak to canadians every day. i don't think the wall has been all over the populations eyes in general. everybody knows what's going on. everybody knows what's happening in ukraine. everybody knows the canadian forces have been there are 2000 since 2014, alongside americans at britain,
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french reigning, supposedly probably sector in the outdoor for tally in and everybody else. so eyes are opening up even wider these days because people want the war to end and they're looking for information that basically docs that truth, that there should be peace, not war. yeah, well it's go back to bell. great. i mean, one of the most pathetic things and all of us have been watching this in real time . and with this crusade of democracy versus a top chrissy, it's destroying ukraine. i mean, it's, we had a chance last year about this time last year for that conflict to, to come to a very quick and abrupt end. but it was the west that wanted to continue this war. and lensky went along with it. and he's just as culpable. ok, but you know, they were, that were shown that there is no, there's only one outcome. it could be defeat a brush destruction of russia. well, that's not, that doesn't do ukraine any good. it is a terrible waste of money into the most one of the most corrupt countries in the
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world, as alex has already pointed out to us here. but this is the facade they have, do not talk about any other problem. it's about this binary choice, but it's a craven choice on the lease of the west to pursue this war waste money on this war . and if they don't get what they want, i'd really worry about what length they will go. they blew up a pipeline. what else are they capable of go ahead status, even about in belgrade? yeah, i mean, ukrainians were always being seen as disposable material. i'm sorry to say that by, by nate. so by watching any in particular. and it's really tragic to watch that because every male is a hostage in the country because they cannot go out if they don't have enough money to bribe and then ride the rolls royce that's that are talking about. and at the same time, i think that the only winner is the empire. that is, that is falling. so the united states is losing power globally. but what is what
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he's doing now with this ukranian war is that it is completely submitting europe, especially because most of europe mean countries that are in you and in nato and some other as well. so then it used to be new, neutral through this war. and at the end, i think we will end up with the european continent of being re colonized reoccupied by the united states. and that is why i think the why i find these words of chrome so absurd and funny in the same time. so that's it. i think in the process, of course the greatest losers are, are ukrainians. and the 2nd grade is losers are and the europeans, especially western europe, especially for france and germany, who's a perception of the, let's say, a thought of me is completely lost now. now that, i mean germany was silent if you will find out about the nor stream. and in the
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meantime, simon, her shirt became a conspiracy theorist, according to the mainstream media, the greatest living journalist of his generation, you know, you know, it's always say what happened to him that if they ever say the truth, is that what happened to him? what happened to colleen? i mean, it, we, the term colonization re, colonization has been brought up here. and i agree with what are guessed in belgrade. you know, the, the, the greatest victims are, of course, ukraine and, and the, and the europeans. but i would also say the entire western world, because we're being colonized by this neil liberal elite, see they mean these people and they have their ideas in common. i have always said you could take the prime minister from from the netherlands and put them in to sweden and put the swedish prime minister into austria and you'd never see a difference. okay. because these people all exactly say these people that always talk about diversity are identical and world outlook. go ahead. yeah, i mean, i think you've mentioned already that this saw,
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this woke liberal theology is. it's basically a facade, it's a commer for what they're doing and, and obviously people like to believe, certainly everyone would love to believe in, in human rights and democracy spreading throughout the world. so you're, you're up against this, you know, our willingness of people to believe ised by this fighting and being used as proxies in vassals. absolutely. victimized, obviously, blowing up the nord stream pipeline, hurt our own allies. and you, you think that people would realize that this is something that's on cannibal, that it's, it's going to hurt even the big new brzezinski i realize that entrapping the soviet union in the war in afghanistan was going to help was going to hurt the soviet union that was the whole point of doing that. so it's hard,
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it's hard though because the media is so controlled and it is what i mean. the problem is that the agenda, these people have, they don't solve any problems. in fact, i would say they make more problems and avoid facing the needs and concerns of everyday people. that's it all gets all the time we have. i want to thank my viewers in apple valley belgrade and in cars. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our case. so you next time, remember ah ah ah, at the end of the 18th century, great britain began to conquer and colonize australia. from the very beginning of
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the british penetration to the continent. natives were subjected to severe violence and deliberate extra patient. according to modern historians. in the 1st 140 years, there were at least 270 massacres of local b. both any resistance to the british was answered with doubled cruelty. hundreds of natives were killed for the murder of one settler. indigenous australians were not considered complete people. no wild beast of the forest was ever hunted down with such unsparing perseverance as they are. men, women, and children are shot whenever they can be met with squatter. henry myrick wrote in a letter to his family in england, in 1846. australia's past is rightly described as blood soaked and races. if at the beginning of colonization, there were one and a half 1000000 indigenous people living on the continent, then by the beginning of the 20th century, their number had decreased del 100000 people. despite the indisputable historical
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