does in a body gather clear, this is a matter of great on this news. our next go underground will be back up a couple down ah, the news i'm as soon as he and welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from dubai. in the u, a thousands of been killed or wounded in the past few days in the capital of what was once africa, the biggest countries had done, emblematic of a collapsing british empire and the 1900 century ancient resource supervisor done even after as recently, broken into with the help of nato powers is of critical geopolitical significance bordering libya, egypt, chad, ethiopia, eritrea and guarding the choke points of world trade in the red sea,

so called mainstream media treats this week's violence as a fight between de facto us back military leaders. don general abdel father albert han and his deputy, well, how many de gullow a, him, etc. who was in russia recently over got to was plan for a russian military base. they don't mention brands increasing closeness to the biden administration, that war with russia and preparing for war with china. unlike ukraine, where the usa condemned a china piece plan, the usa, whose ambassador flew in shortly before the violence says at once piece in sudan. as do china, russia, the u. a and saudi arabia, which is brokering seismic p steels, reconfiguring the middle east and arab world. let's go straight to virginia, home of ca, headquarters, to speak to someone who has been the most widely distributed independent journalist in the whole of africa. thomas mountain. thomas alexander speaking to you from cia

headquarters, i'm just saying you're in virginia and i'm not trying to cuss and he has worship is a terrible, terrible figures coming from sir don. in all seriousness, a pulling news coming out. but unlike the ukraine, when a to nation media know exactly everything about that situation, apparently the war began last february. and when it comes to sit on the i, they look confused. and or they just don't know when the shooting step started. they, they haven't been told which side to back, you know, this region you lived in this region. what is going on? well, you know, again, this is denise air force, pilots or bombing civilian populations in the capital, a car to them elsewhere. this has been going on since sunday and everybody's quiet about me. there's videos of the whole city blocks at a time getting billed out and car to was welcome. 8 air force is bombing its own

capital city and rural is not in ours. what's going on really is that there is a cia back pension name, general abraham, whose eat back by a judge has an a c, r. and he was trying to eliminate his competition, which is general. ha mattie was head of a star by mean, you know, saying that i me behind didn't get the ok from washington to start using jets warplanes to bomb really bombard the capital. well, brown is pretty much there, man, in sudan. i mean, he's easy to really easy a, provide hundreds of tons of weapons to the c i back attempted pool against ethiopian government to the t grad people's liberation from he's been trying to normalize relations with israel, which the u. s. is very supportive or he'll on sundays news shows our egyptian air force base. and now why should i be captured by the are so i mean

this. so if she and her planes are being used to threaten ethiopia, because they're so that, i mean, these are egypt is demanding that they control control and water. so i mean, brown is been basically dancing for the cia and the region. ok, well let's just get on as a whole lot. let's just get on to the strategic go because you mentioned ethiopia that which is a whole nother element in extend that i mean to an extent because it was accused of being part of a propaganda operation. in recent years that the t p l f was i'm going to freedom fighters, even the western media eventually to give up on that one. and i got to say, i'll see, see, of egypt quote says, quote, will not interfere in the internal affairs. why, what is happening it's done is an internal matter should not be interfered with. we are in contact with the sudanese forces and the rapid support forces. you mentioned

ethiopia that there's been a piece process there with eritrea, which is been the most sanctioned country in the world. now russia, now rush or is what, what is that relationship is that, is that the complexity here as regards trying to destabilize that piece, deal between the leaders of eritrea and ethiopia. and just you might just have to stop by mentioning the bible, man, that straits and why washington looks upon this region, is the most strategic on right. well, no, one at africa is probably one of the most strategic regions on the planet. most of the trade between you and asia passes through their container ships. and so there's 2 tow place there's up in the north, the suez canal and solve at the bottom. and now the u. s. is kind of in are between a rock and a hard place here because iran and saudi arabia are making peace. and saudi arabia

is what i call their via damn, is coming. the war is coming to a close. and on that and the other side of the red sea is a reacher which refuses to kneel down till u. s. and germany. so u. s. isn't a bad spot because if they can't control the bomb bomb and them, they got a serious credibility problem with the rest of the world. so, you know, the horn of africa is strategically critical and that's why and then the c, i is been spending billions of dollars for many decades law trying to prop up a policeman on the b r. they lost their police on the beat when the t p, a left worse removed from power and what i call the peaceful revolution. and if you will be in 2018, and are they tried to bring the tpl out back to power in early november, 2020 through a military coup which was defeated mainly faxed to the integration at the end, at the request of ethiopia, government by the return military. so region, if you'll be, i've grown very close fighting their common enemy and the ethiopian people in the

region, people are now really, i don't think the bond is unbreakable and this is got the americans upset because ethiopia is one of the largest countries in africa. and it's strategically located on, you know, closer to la bowman, them so that sort of the background while u. s. is worried. and you know, basically with the fall of the t p, a lot, that la hon and sudan as their main pension in the region. and now was it looks like the hondas falling, i mean, we haven't heard from him other than what's doing confess, you know, i called the secretary of cas us blinking the tools claim the conversation on the blink blink and says it's been to be in talking to them, but i mean, the history of colonialism, imperialism in that region, is dividing and ruling clearly. and they, you're explaining how that age divide and rule is failed in the one of africa v v o

p and eric trail is being very successful in sudan, arguably they've had hollywood, george clooney in south sudan and the da for so cool genocide, which scholars, people can watch, are interviewed my mood, ma'am dani of princeton. debunking a lot of the myths about that. but they, i think going to be successful this time because just as russia was getting this bass, which the united states clearly don't want. the sydney is bathed in ports down on the red sea and piece is breaking out around these areas. can they not just triangulate? they can save the o. p. o is going to build a good dam, which hydro electric li, depresses water supplies to cairo. they've got south through don, is the proxy there. they've got him metty to they come back committee maybe next week against the board and just keep doing this. the americans have the money. well, you know, he's got a track record of you know, wanting to have

a civilian government and in saddam, i mean when the civilian rule came back to power after the cool that behind and orchestrated against by sheer is former own word or how much he went to richer and left a few hours after you landed in cartoon, most of the still now, you know, so how many is backtrack or just last one from actually was in read sure. you know, reach it has a saying all horns, all road, still peace in the heart of rock or run through our model richer. so you know how many going there and coming back home. but see the u. s. doesn't want that. you don't want that piece in the heart of after they want to have their own pension and power and behind in the guy they want to actually, you know, basically still buying a lot of them to, to, to who's without any real repercussions. so, you know, and that is, looks like he's willing, this war. i mean, it's hard to say from lynchburg, but,

you know, we follow very closely the news in the region and our, my wife speaks languages there. so again, i know you're, you're monitoring all the, all the conversations and then the radio transmissions. but of course, m f, m, f here, views weren't even really telegraphed in the wider public. he, unlike, unlike we're, hon, did apologize for the lack of a transition to civilian government the what is the role of a donation media in this and the elite class of, and i, i don't know whether you call them an n g o class of kweisi usa the funded elite in this region then appears talking heads on television programs and then volleyball. the say no, this is norris f qu against this great leader boron who was in the process of transferring to try a civilian rule to a civilian rule that no doubt would also have been peopled by people,

perhaps educated in the united states. and part of that complex well, you know, what the western countries, especially us doesn't want his real pan african isn't solidarity breaking on the heart of rocker. and you know, people starting to stand up to what's best for their own interest rather than what's best for the western interest. and i'm hopefully, and that is part of that movement. you know, we can never tell. but right now he looks like the best choice. but you know, he is supported by, he'll be an in reach or both of which want to see peace in sudan. nobody wants to see war and cigar. nobody wants to see the sooner these people suffering, which has been getting worse and worse on the brand. i mean, even last year as bad as he was, the people had brandy, but in sudan for under brand, people are hungry. i mean, that's the problem. see. so up the west, basically once the control region, they want to keep their hands and people that are pro west in power,

people that are recognize israel and so on and so forth. and this is why the west has been supporting behind, you know, i mean, sudan is part of the arab nubian shield, which is one of the 3 which is mineral concentrations on the planet, which includes retro parts of ethiopia and saudi arabia. and you know, there's been russian mining in sudan for years. go jangle mines. another thing. so you know, the west is concerned about that. they want to come and they want to be the was exploiting those minerals. so, you know, there is a vested interest in the region, but it's mainly the horn of africa as being the bomb bomb and dad and strategical critical. so, you know, it's interesting how many went to russia last year when he returned shortly after returned bernal's, a press conference and announces for basin in saddam's red sea coast. so you know, it's like how many he's been out there internationally trying are you know get

bilateral relations and other things. and i'm you know, so i think it's got especially this relation nations. russia sent to us word. toma smiled now stop you there more from the most widely distributed in the better journalists in hold of africa after the spring. ah, ah ah, during the 2nd world war in nazi occupied, poland, virginia was a farming region today. it's part of ukraine. between 1943 and 945 members of the ukrainian insurgent army led by stepan. bandera. nasa could thousands of poles in virginia in a diabolical ethnic cleansing process. the mergers were particularly horrific and brutal villages were burned and property looted. the valinda massacre is without

doubt one of the bloodiest episodes in polish ukrainian history. why are ukrainian politicians still reluctant to talk about these events? how to modern day ukraine and poland view this tragedy of the past? and why does the memory of belinda still divide people ah, welcome back to going underground. i am still here with someone who has been the most widely distributed and been a journalist in africa, thomas mountain. of course, her matee, the r s. f leader is known in nater, nation media as a private mercenary army contractor was made loads of money associated with the gender weed, the genocide and our 4. or you might just have to dispel a few of the myths there before. we try and analyze it for her there. what's going on? well, you know, i'm, if he's low angel, you know,

these are called the camel general, and he got rich, you know, from through his military control of the west sudan. but he has been supporting civilian rule in the region and military rules. just going to be a disaster. sedans have 30 years to that on the bus year. they don't need it anymore. so sit down, you know, had a well and it pretty much run out and they used to be rich and oil and also down started. so you know, some of the is going to have to come in and, and get some hard medicine to the suit. these people because you know, this, warren cartoon bombing in cartoon surround, has never seen that before. the sit on people are facing work really 1st and most of them on the 1st time. so i think this is kind of a wake up call to the sudanese people that they can't just sit back and, and worry about where they're going to get the bread today. and they got to deal with, you know, how they going to govern their country. how they're going to get themselves out of this mass. but you know, i just saw reports that said that this,

most of the sudanese people want to reach or to come in immediate this problem. because look, look at what's going on this war. you've got bahamas, the sudanese army, 250000 people with armor, air force, helicopters, fighter bombers tanks. and then you've got committees force $100000.00, which is basically a militia mounted on pickup trucks, with any aircraft, and a small cans. what i, you know, how come behind hasn't just question well, you know, to me, it looks like it's the other way around. major surrenders are taking place from bronze in a circle. so any case, you know how many he's going to have a really tough time. 100000 men controlling a huge country, likes it on of over 40000000 people. so you're going to need some mediation because, i mean, not only is br, hon got his supporters, you've got a bus, you're the former president of those or with your own. got is supporters, and it's a very complex situation is going to require some really expert mediation. and what

would, what would the tony blinking and the biden white has to do if party is there. and even the middle class, condra elites who are interviewed on a donation media television networks, who appear to just say, everyone is bad in terms of leadership, not really saying i the way the geopolitical the influences on either body. what, what would the buy wife have say if, as mara became the talking, talking place and i should say, the united nations has said very little concrete in terms of progressing piece after the violence about food as well. the one thing the u. s. is very much against is a reach or having any role in promoting peace in the back of the u. s. policy is crisis management. it's been that way for many, many decades. create a crisis and they manage that crisis, the better losing plunder, the resources of the region. they don't want strong national government, you know,

uniting the region developing peaceful cooperation and independence from the west. they want small, broken up countries that you have to kneel down and accept whatever they're, whatever they're handed out. so, you know, originally i'm getting logged on as you, i want to us worst nightmare. i mean that's what they don't want. you know, the history of you don't think the $331000000.00 announcement blinking, given to addis ababa is something of concern as regards peace. well, you know, it's, you know, he's got over a 100000000 people. so you know, it got more. why did lincoln do that? why did lincoln just announce that? well, you know, the violence case. i mean, he's like, he's got as act as a carrot and a stick. i mean, you can't just come in and, and try to be easy over the head to try to bribe them. i mean, they're offering them, you know, because it's got all this odious debt, which they should just declared is that billions and billions of dollars. so i am

asking the one back which was run, the debt was run up under the very corrupt r u. s. lackey was in the t p. a leveraging before i'll be finance or i'll be in the power. so, you know, e, c o, p is kind of in a hard spot, is shorter foreign currency, they need, i, m f, money die m f is saying this, and you gotta do this, you got to do that. and what they really want is they want, if you'll be in a richer part ways, which usually people are talking to. wow. so, you know, i mean, i was, i mean, the head of the ethiopian military recently came out and said, our national tv we o originally had debt. we don't know how we're going to pay it. in other words, going to reach a, c, d, c o, b, a r, a c, i supported instigated if you'll be out knows who saved and that was a redress. so i didn't want to you you think of in terms of the more recent violence of the bailiff were involved in the gray region to stop the peace process . but the amount of weaponry going in there was quite substantial. do you think

blinkin and the bite and white as would would send more military weapons and armaments to boron, as he runs out of ammunition fighting, fighting him, etc. and sit on well, you know, i just saw report, my wife just saw report that the are a staff under her menchie, captured 200 sudanese army tanks. the, basically the city's army just left his major arms the ball and said here, you know, is yours. i mean, these report so far they've all been turning out to those from reliable sources we've been trusting for years. and so, you know, it doesn't look good for hahn. i don't see how he's going to hold up. i mean, is headed is military intelligence surrender on sunday that one of the senior general so ended on sunday. another senior general was captured on sunday. i mean, this is from a lightly armed militia forest fighting one of africa's biggest armies. and yet

things are going got bad for bron, i mean, even if the send more arms are already the arms are blank, you know, going to the other side. i don't see how they're going to be on the same for on other than, you know, maybe i don't actually, there's no way they can say to them. i don't think, but we'll see. and do you think the, do you think, i mean, there's the rush or africa summit in july in st. petersburg? you think russia, china, you said you're a and others have already assumed this position that him at he is the next transitional ruler and got to it's coming up and it's a big deal. and, you know, it's going to be a breakthrough in our african moving away from western domination. that's clear. and that are some of the featured people are going to be, for example, region president. besides, are you there and be less a big deal because, you know, it reaches only 4000000 people, but the foreign ministers are russia, china, and india. why is it in reach and not too distant past? you know, so, i mean that's no blame, no blinking in as much on as many tours because we know all over the world as me

following leverage. some people say didn't visit as mara noticeably laurie. i don't know if he's not welcome there. i mean, any, just, yes, i mean, you know, the u. s. is like, i say it's, you know, it's in a tight spot. it's not a whole lot they can do besides make a lot of noise and trenton sanctions on. hm. yeah. they are threatening sanctions. i saw that the blinking was very quickly going, you know, we could close down bank account. could that be? could that be an issue? i mean, how far do you think washing is going to go at war with russia? 3 grain against china in the south china sea, and now and what was the largest country in africa? will it just fight? and, and you think this time around, egypt will come round to the arab majority view, which is washington's presence in this region has not been greatly beneficial in the bus to 50100 is, well, you know, there's actually a very desperate financial situation. and you know,

cost of living is growing up very rapidly and there's hunger breaking on the job. so we just and government is, you know, not in the strongest position and their own population in the gym and orders being captured by our so air conditioning captured by their self. and now somebody said what was the dish and people so i mean, you know, what you just going to do is that's a tough one because, you know, are listening is investors, china presumably they're not going to continue down this. i m f. well bank both. i know they have to an extent, but obviously they are looking to bricks in the trying. i go ration organization. yeah. you know, i mean, so it's, it's, it's hard to say where he's, it's going to go because they're still pretty much dependent on western largest to survive. but i know the longest, there's no future in that. everybody is starting to see that. i mean, look in saudi this in the future and this american dollar generally. so, i mean, is a major move away from the u. s. and this is

a serious problem for the us. i mean, like i say that between a rock and a hard spot and what are they going to the only people who could possibly intervene and sit down with the dish and military. and i don't see that happening. i mean, i really don't amounting to dish and people be happy about it. news. yes. so that used to be a calling in egypt under the british. and so i, and as this school size me to, i mean for han himself who would have thought that fall in the u. s. with its last one, a graphic or they lost control of you can seem to be capable of the most. and usually we see eye witnesses who can speak english beautifully. well, you know, ha, why is it if i didn't finish the read to that now? well, to sometime around the 10th or 11th of april metty and our asset got wind. that brown was going to move to eliminate them, and they move very rapidly into strategic positions and actually sort of jumped the gun on brown and brown has been on the back foot since then. i mean bronze. i think

the soon his army finally demanded that our surrender their weapons, which they refused and fighting, broke out on saturday. 15th of april. so, you know, this like got things have been developing very rapidly. and saddam, and, but i suspect it's going to slow down and what i mean maybe is going to have to capture these bases and shut them down. maybe, you know, who knows what's going to happen after that. i mean, maybe they're gonna have to go to easiest or refuel in the arm, but you know, there's a lot of potential this piece process. but the best sign is that the sudanese people seem to want a retreat come mediate, which is, you know, a sure i had a waiter to come to some consensus, you know, not winning and losing but consensus. so both sides got to win and both sides got to lose. and they're going to come to a piece that will last, both parties sitting down and hammer it out too intense, exhausting negotiations, not to ultimatums and sanctions, but to consensus base negotiations. this is the only way you're really going to

come to our lasting piece and the reason, and this is what i read your specializes. and so hopefully this is what will take place though i suspect the united states is going to do everything they can prevent this from happening. now. ms. martin. thank you. you're welcome and hope to have see you again soon. that's over the show. on monday, we'll be back again with one of the greatest journalist in the world, pulitzer prize winning seymour hersh after it's brand new revelation to cia, ukraine corruption. meanwhile, you can give me a social media if it's not sensitive in your country and add to our channel going on the grantee on normal dot com to watch new and old episodes going on the ground . see you monday with who is the aggression? today i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today. russia is the country

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