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geopolitical significance bordering libya, egypt, chad, ethiopia, eritrea and guarding the choke points of world trade in the red sea, so called mainstream media treats this week's violence as a fight between de facto u. s. back military leaders to don general abdel father albert han and his deputy, madame de gallow, aka her matee, who is in russia recently of god. she was planned for a russian military base. they don't mention brands increasing closeness to the biden administration at war with russia. and preparing for war with china, unlike ukraine, where the usa condemned a china piece plan, the usa, whose ambassador flew in shortly before the violence says at once piece in sudan. as do china, russia, the u. e. and saudi arabia, which is brokering seismic p steels, reconfiguring the middle east and arab world, that go straight to virginia home of cia headquarters to speak to someone who has

been the most widely distributed independent journalist in the whole of africa, thomas mountain trauma. so i'll be shannon speaking to you from c i a headquarters . i'm just saying you're in virginia and i'm not trying to got any, it's worse, as the terrible terrible figures coming from sudan in all seriousness, appalling news coming up. but unlike the ukraine, where nato nation media know exactly everything about that situation, apparently the war began last february. when it comes to sit on the i, they look confused. and or they just don't know when the shooting step started. they, they hadn't been told which side to back, you know, this region you lived in this region. what is going on? well, you know, again, the sudanese air force pilots are bombing civilian populations in the capital of cartoon and elsewhere. this has been going on since sunday and everybody's quiet

about me. there's videos of the whole city blocks at a time, getting blown out and guard to what's going on, how come a air force is bonding its own capital, city and rural is enough in ours. what's going on really is that there is a cia back pension name, general abraham, whose eat back by a judge is on the cia and he was trying to eliminate his competition, which was general. hm. that he was had is larissa by mean you don't saying that? i mean bond didn't get the ok from washington to start using jets warplanes to bomb a really bombard the capital? well, brown is pretty much dear man in sudan. i mean, he's easy to really easy will be a, provide hundreds of tons of weapons to the c i back attempted to against ethiopian government to grab people's liberation from. he's been trying to normalize relations with israel,

which the u. s. is very supportive of hill on sundays news shows our egyptian air force base in a way, in sudan be captured by the hour. so, i mean this, these are in, airplanes are being used to threaten ethiopia because there should, i mean, these are, egypt is demanding that they control it, control the water. so, i mean, brown is been basically dance and from the cia and the region. ok, well, and that's just get on as a whole lot. let's just get on to the strategic go because you mentioned ethiopia there, which is a whole nother element in extended. i mean, to an extent, because it was accused of being part of a propaganda operation in recent years that the t p l f was i'm going to freedom fighters even the western media event you had to give up on that one. and i got to say, i'll see, see, of egypt quote says, quote, will not interfere in the internal as a saddam will continue to have it's for tv,

sci fi. what is happening? it's a don, is an internal matter should not be interfered with. we are in contact with the sudanese forces and the rapid support forces. you mentioned ethiopia that there's been a peace process there with eritrea, which is been the most sanctioned country in the world. now russia, now rusher is what, what is that relationship is that, is that the complexity here as regards trying to destabilize that piece, deal between the leaders of eritrea and ethiopia. and just you might just have to stop by mentioning the bible, man, that straits and why washington looks upon this region, is the most strategic on of right. well, the horn of africa is probably one of the most strategic regions on the planet. most of the trade between you and asia passes through their container ships. and so there's 2 toe points. there's up in the north,

the suez canal and solve at the bottom. and now the u. s. is kind of in are between iraq and a hard place here because iran in saudi arabia are making peace. and saudi arabia is what i call their via damn, is coming. the war is coming to a close. and on the other side of the red sea is a reacher which refuses to kneel down till u. s. and germany. so u. s. isn't a bad spot because they can't control the bomb and them, they got a serious credibility problem with the rest of the world. so, you know, the horn of africa is strategically critical, and that's why the, the c, i has been spending billions of dollars for many decades law. trying to prop up a policeman on the beat. they lost their police on the beat when the t p l f. worse removed from power and what i call the peaceful revolution in ethiopia in 2018. and they tried to bring the tpl out back to power in early november, 2020 through a military coup which was defeated mainly faxed to the integration at it. and at

the request of ethiopia, government by the return military. so region, if you, if you have grown very close fighting their common enemy and ethiopian people in the region, people are now really, i don't think the bond is unbreakable. and this has got the americans upset because ethiopia is one of the largest countries in africa. and it's strategically located on, you know, closer to la bowman them so that sort of the background while us is worried and are, you know, basically with the fall of the t p, a lot, that lab, brohannon sudan as their main pension in the region. and now it looks like brand is falling, i mean, we haven't heard from him other than what's doing confess, you know, i called the secretary of cas us blinking the tools claim the conversation for on the blink blink and says it's mean to be in talking to them, but i mean, the history of colonialism, imperialism in that region, is dividing,

and ruling clearly. and they, you're explaining how that age divide and rule is failed in the one of africa v v o . pure and eric trail is being very successful in sudan, arguably they've had hollywood, george clooney in south sudan and the da for so cool genocide, which scholars people can watch our interview with my mood, ma'am dani of princeton. debunking a lot of the myths about that. but they, i think, going to be successful this time because just as russia was getting this bass, which the united states kelly, the one the sydney's base in port sudan on the red, sea, and pieces breaking out around these areas. can they not just triangulate? they can save you hope you're going to build a good dam, which hydro electric li, depresses water supplies to cairo. they've got south sued on the proxy. there. they've got him metty to they come back committee maybe next week against bore han

and just keep doing this. the americans have the money. well, you know, he's got a track record of, you know, wanting to have a civilian government and in sudan, i mean when the civilian rule came back to power after the cool that behind and orchestrated against brush here is former own word or how much he went to richer and left a few hours after you landed in cartoon, most of the still now, you know, so how much is back track or just last one from that he was in read sure. you know, reach it has a saying, all horns, all road, still peace in northern america, run to us model richer. so you know how many going there and coming back home. but see the u. s. doesn't want that. you don't want that piece in the heart and after they want to have their own pension and power and perhaps been the guy they want to actually, you know, basically stood by and allow them to do who's without any real repercussions. so,

you know, and that is, looks like he's willing, this war. i mean, it's hard to say from lynchburg, but, you know, we follow right closer to the news in the region. and i, my wife speaks the language is there. so again, i know you're, you're monitoring all the, all the conversations and then the radio transformations. but of course, m f m, as here, views weren't even really telegraph to the why to public he, unlike, unlike we're, hon, did apologize for the lack of a transition to civilian government the what is the role of a donation media in this and the elite class of and i, i don't know whether you call them an n g o class of kweisi u. s. 80 you funded elite in this region then appears talking heads on television programs and then volleyball. the say no,

this is norris f qu against this great leader boron who was in the process of transferring to try a civilian rule to a civilian rule that no doubt would also have been peopled by people, perhaps educated in the united states. and part of that complex well, you know, what the western countries, especially us doesn't want is put real pan african isn't solidarity breaking on the heart of rocker. and you know, people starting to stand up to what's best for their own interest rather than what's best for the western interest. and hopefully, and that is part of that movement. you know, we can never tell. but right now he looks like the best choice. but, you know, he is supported by, he'll be an in reach or both of which want to see peace in sudan. nobody wants to see war and cigar. nobody wants to see the soonest people suffering, which has been getting worse and worse on the brown. i mean, even brush here as bad as he was, the people had brandy, but in sudan for under brown, people are hungry. i mean, that's

a problem. see. so the west basically wants the control region. they want to keep their hands and people that are pro west in power, people that are recognize israel and so on and so forth. and this is why the west has been supporting behind, you know, i mean, sudan is part of the arab nubian shield, which is one of the 3 witches mineral concentrations on the planet, which includes your intra parts of ethiopia and saudi arabia. and you know, there's been russian mining in saddam for years. go jangle mines. another thing. so you know, the west is concerned about that. they want to come and they want to be the ones exploiting those minerals. so, you know, there is a vested interest in the region, but it's mainly the horn of africa as being in the bottom. and they have been strategically critical. so, you know, it's interesting how many went to russia last year when he returned shortly after

returned bronsels, a press conference and announces the russian small basin in saddam's red sea coast . so, you know, it's like how many he's been out there internationally trying are, you know, get bilateral relations and other things. and i'm, you know, so i think it's got, especially installation calls from nations and russia has got the last word on his mouth. now stop you the more from the most widely distributed in the better journalists in hold of africa after the spring. ah, ah. is known in nature, nature, media as a private lab to come in and and, and worry about whether you're behind mr. sudanese army, 250000 people with armor, air force, helicopters, fighter bombers tanks. and then you've got committees force $100000.00,

which is basically a militia mounted on pick up charging aircraft and a small cans. i, you know how come behind hasn't just question. well, you know, to me, it looks like it's the other way around. major surrenders are taking place from bronze in a circle. so any case, you know how much he's going to have a really tough time, a 100000 men controlling a huge country like saddam of over 40000000 people. so you're going to need some mediation because i mean not only is bron got his supporters, you've got a bus, your former doesn't know those or what's your got is supporters and it's a very complex situation that's going to require some really expert mediation. and what would, what would the tony blinking and the biden white has to do if party is there, and even the middle class condra elite. so who are interviewed on a donation media, television networks, who appear to just say everyone is bad in terms of leadership,

not really saying a i the way the geopolitical the influences on either body. what, what would the biden white have say if, as mara became the talking, talking place, i should say, the united nations has said very little concrete in terms of progressing piece off to the violence in the past few days. well, the one thing the u. s. is very much against is a reach or having any role in promoting peace in the back of the u. s. policy is crisis management has been that way for many, many decades. create a crisis and they manage that crisis to better losing plunder the resources of the region. they don't want strong nationalist governments, you know, uniting the region developing peaceful cooperation and independence from the west. they want small, broken up countries that you know, have to kneel down and accept whatever they're cool, whatever they're handed out. so, you know, reaching out, getting logged on as you want to us where it's like, i mean,

that's what they don't want. and you know, the history of you don't think the $331000000.00 announcement blinking, given to addis ababa is something of concern as regards peace. well, you know, each of these got over a 100000000 people. so, you know, they've got a mo, why did lincoln do that? why did lincoln just an answer? well, no, the violence case. i mean, he's like, he's got as act as a carrot in a stick. i mean, you can't just come in and, and try to be easy over the head to try to bribe them. i mean, they're offering them, you know, because ethiopia has got august odious death, which they should just declared is that billions and billions of dollars. so i am asking the one back which was run, the debt was run up under the very corrupt r u. s. lackey machine. the t p leveraging before, i'll be honest, i became the power so, you know, if you know, be as kind of a hard spot there, shorter foreign currency they need, i m f money by m f is saying this,

and you've got to do this. you got to do that and what they really want is they want, if you'll be in a retailer part ways, which usually people are talking to. wow. so, you know, i mean, i was, i mean, the head of the ethiopian military recently came out and said on national t, the we o originally had debt, we don't know how we're going to pay it. in other words, going to redress say, the silvia from r a c. i supported instigated if you'll be out knows who saved and i was reach out. so i don't want to you, you think of in terms of the more recent violence of the bailiff were involved in the gray region to stop the peace process. but the amount of weaponry going in there was quite substantial. do you think blinkin and the bite and white us would, would send more military weapons and armaments to boron, as he runs out of ammunition fighting, fighting a mess he entered on?

well, you know, i just saw report, my wife just saw report that the are a staff under her mental captured 200 sudanese army tanks. the, basically the city's army just left is major arms the ball and said here, you know, is yours. i mean, these report so far they've all been turning out to be true. those from reliable sources we've been trusting for years. and so, you know, it doesn't look good for hon. i don't see how he's going to hold up. i mean, is headed is military intelligence surrendered on sunday that one of the senior general also ended on sunday or never seen or general was captured on sunday. i mean, this is from a lightly armed militia forest fighting one of africa's biggest armies. and yet things are going got bad for bron, i mean, even if the send more arms are already the arms are blank, you know, going to the other side. i don't see how they're going to be on the same for on other than, you know, maybe i don't actually, there's no way they can say to them. i don't think, but we'll see. and do you think the, do you think, i mean,

there's the rush or africa summit in july in st. petersburg? you think russia, china, you a side your a via, and others have already assumed this position that him, if he is the next transitional ruler and got to, it's coming up and it's a big deal. and, you know, it's going to be a breakthrough in our african moving away from western domination. that's clear. and that are some of the features people are going to be, for example, region president. besides, what you'll do there and be less a big deal because, you know, it reaches only $4000000.00 people, but the foreign ministers are russia, china, and india. why is it in reach and not too distant past? you know, so, i mean that's no blame, no blinking in as mar on as many tours because we know all over the world as me following leverage. some people say didn't visit as mara noticeably laurie. i don't, he's not welcome there. i mean, any, just, yes, i mean, you know, the u. s. is like, i say it's in a, it's in a tight spot. it's not

a whole lot they can do besides make a lot of noise in trenton sanctions on. hm. yeah. they are threatening sanctions. i saw that the blinking was very quickly going, you know, we could close down bank account and show me how far do you think washing is going to go at war with russia, 3 grain against china in the south china sea. and now in what was the largest country in africa will just fight and, and you think this time around, egypt will come round to the arab majority view, which is washington's presence in this region has not been greatly beneficial in the bus to 50100 years. well, you know, there's actually a very desperate financial situation and you know, cost of living is growing up very rapidly and there's hunger breaking on the job. so you just and government is, you know, not in the strongest position and their own population in the gym. and so it has been captured by r a. so, airplanes been captured by their self and now somebody said what was the dish and

people so i mean, you know, what he's going to do is that's a problem because, you know, our listening is investors, china, presumably they're not going to continue down this. i m f, well bank both. i know they have to an extent, but obviously they are looking to bricks in the china. i go ration organization. yeah. you know, i mean, so it's, it's, it's hard to say where he's, it's going to go because they're still pretty much dependent on western largest to survive. but i know the longest, there's no future in that. everybody's starting to see that. i mean, look and saw me this in the future and this american dollar gemini. so i mean is a major move away from the u. s. and this is a serious problem to the u. s. i mean, like i say that between a rock and a hard spot and what are they going to the only people that could possibly intervene in sudan dejection, military. and i don't see that happening. i mean, i really don't, amounting to just people be happy about it. news yes. so that used to be a con elisha under the british. and so i, and as this school size me to,

i mean for hon himself. he just is called him say he's one of our people. so i mean, i don't see we just in a reading militarily because it would cost too much domestic uproar. but although you think that he would get americans about even ahead of the south africa, brick summit, which some people are calling the beginning of the end of the u. s. empire in certainly the continent of africa. well, you know, this is all like you say times are changing really fast. i mean, a month or 2 ago who would have thought that saudis and iran would be making peace and the warrant. i'm going to be coming to a close, you know, mean who would have thought that perhaps most likely to fall in the u. s. would lose its last major engine in order back when it's just, i mean i'm sort of sitting back and having to absorb it all and not just jump out right out. and sam, what i think is going to happen because this is a big, big world changing events that are taking place. and are, you know, you gotta,

you gotta come digest it a bit. but you know, you can see what's obvious and that the u. s. is in a bad spot that they're losing control or they lost control of ethiopia. you know, looks like they're about to lose. can any last of their influence and saddam, i mean they got a job, but it is sort of looking away from us, had germany. i mean, it's like there's a lot of headaches on the horizon from the us and i just hope they don't insight. i call them blinking the whole because he does really stupid things. and if he's going to try to send me a military and so i, you know, but he knows americans seem to be capable of the most in general and savage. i'm just finally, i mean, why do you think what you be saying during this interview is so different to the talking heads you see on american british media since the fighting kicked off in got to usually we see eye witnesses who can speak english, beautifully,

explaining that they just one piece and not really expressing support either way for either of the 2 generals and others saying, this is all terrible with no real context tool as far as i can make out. well, you know, why is it if i didn't finish it, we did that now. well, to sometime around the 10th or 11th of april committee and our asset got wind that brown was going to move to eliminate them. and they move very rapidly into strategic positions. and actually sort of jumped the gun on brown and brown has been on the back foot since then. i mean bronze. i think the soon his army finally demanded that the surrender their weapons and they refused and fighting broke out on saturday. 15th of april. so, you know, this like got things have been developing very rapidly. and saddam, and,

but i suspect it's going to slow down and want, i mean, maybe he's going to have to capture these bases and shut them down. maybe you know, who knows where it's going to happen after that, i mean, maybe they're gonna have to go to egypt or refuel in the arm. but you know, there's a lot of potential stumbling blocks in this piece process. but the best sign is that the sudanese people seem to want a retreat come mediate, which is, you know, a sure i had a waiter to come to some consensus, you know, not really and losing but consensus. so both sides got to win and both sides got to lose. and they're going to come to a piece that will last, both parties sitting down and hammer it out too intense, exhausting negotiations, not to ultimatums and sanctions, but to consensus base negotiations. this is the only way you're really going to come to our lasting piece and the reason, and this is what i read your specializes and so hopefully this is what will take place. so i suspect the united states is going to do everything they can prevent

this from happening. now miss martin, thank you. you're welcome and hope to have you again soon. that's over the show. on monday, we'll be back again with one of the greatest journalists in the world. pulitzer prize winning seymour hersh after is brand new revelations of ca, ukraine corruption. meanwhile, you can give a social media if it's not sensitive in your country and add to our channel going on the grantee on mobile dot com to watch new and old episodes of going undergrads human a . what he's got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy. even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully,

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