president love me, zalinski and his entourage embezzled hundreds of millions of dollars in usaid. thank you so much. i cipher coming back on. i mean, after revealing that terror attack, tell me about this $400000000.00 of us public money and. and i think most american media covers the fact that the american public certainly need $400000000.00 for infrastructure. tell me about the latest scandal trading with the enemy. oh, well, you have to know that the budget right now the actual money. i think the, the a, my government is spent on that war is a well, about 5 months ago was about a 113000000000. and it's now up to $120.00. so the $400000000.00 figure when you compare it to the great gross amount of money we spent, there is almost trivial. but one of the things that really bought the base, i learned that just 2 months ago, the ukraine needs

a lot of diesel fuel from russia and, and, and, and as they weren't supposed to, right, they went up, they're not supposed to be funding the war on my landscape, not really finding the war on zalinski, assist the war a, even the, apparently, the chess instilled that war. they were buying their oil from russia. i just, i, you know, it's just, you know, as a all, you know, the old line b, s a. walks and money talks, and the foreign to me was just the figure, the estimate that i have been told by people i've known for decades. i was, was the scam on just the oil money. but let alone it's sort of disturbing that ukraine's buying oil from russia with whom it war i mean, but, you know, the oil and money transcends every bit of rationality, i guess. but then to discover the foreign to me, it isn't, isn't all. i mean,

you know, all you have to do is look, look at the high life in kiev today. there's a really good high life and can you leave the group? the fancy restaurants are going, you can find liquor stores of everything in it. there's a lot of money being pushed around. and so what happened was, this would have been 3 months ago or so. the c, i director r c, a director of burns bill burns, who's really a diplomat. i is there been in the c, i a said, a great career's ambassador to some places that quoting russia by and by and actually at which, and when he finishes tours, a bastard, a russia wrote a my more in which he warned against expanding nato to the east because of the lead, the war, but that's not what he's likes to talk, which makes it even more weird that he okay. the north stream pipeline disaster from your previous article. he was the middle. well, he was, he was given, i think go he job major job left when abide,

want got in and by what happened is burns retired from foreign service. he was deputy secretary state and quite reasonable guy went to the carnegie foundation as president. and then when biden got in, the question, is what job would he have? he wanted a job in foreign policy. these are for, this is the way it works in washington. these are professional with government officials, you know, once you're in there's always going to be a job for you. and the only job big job there was left for cia and he took it i would guess for he that maybe if there's a 2nd term tony blank and will retire or something. i have no idea why he took it, but he did. he was the middleman when they were, when the cia and other agencies ran a covert operation to destroy the pipeline. but he comes off better in fan, is in the, in this piece about alleged corruption of the zalinski administration in viet because you say that your sources are telling you yeah,

i had words with zalinski and i should say, he says he denied all corruption. he was named in the panama papers. but according to you, you're saying that's a lensky i was told off by bill burns about all is. so then he's officials writing around him key avenue, mercedes benz is and the like the actual message as i understood it. and he was not alone on the trip. so the actual message that is there other people from the community with the intelligence community, the actual meshes a science key, was that the gender of the bureaucrats and the generals are getting very angry at you because you're taking too much of the, of the scam. if you're taking a bigger cut and he was given a list of 35 people that were involved in and corrupt activities, the lens he diff, fire 10 people on the list, some generals and officers, and some civilian bureaucrats. most of the agencies in the government that normally

do contracting work normally do directly with normally you do a contract with somebody supplies toilet paper, your contract, the paper company, everybody's gone to brokers. everybody's now getting 3rd parties involved because that increases the chance for money on the side. and the corruption there is just beyond belief that always has bid and that doesn't change. and so that's all i was writing about. but you know, like a lot of the stuff i write about, you know, they keep on saying unnamed sources as if, you know, and all those years i was at the new york times, winning a lot of prizes from my work van back in the 70s. and watergate and stuff like that, and vietnam, how could you possibly name sources you put people in jail? but you know that, you know, you know, we been talking for years. we know that are the, you know how to game as we never reveal our sources as, as the, as you said, zaleski did fire people. i don't know whether that was just to make it look good or

that was because bill burns was telling him, was it bill burns that told him to be doing? he fired 1010 of those who the most us ostentatious living, you know, in key of living well in the best apartment and showing a lot of money and buying a new cars. and he fired those who are ostentatious was the word. and another $25.00 just were left untouched, or is why be shark? it's the ukraine's always been at the bottom of the list or the top of the list in terms of corruption. yeah, i think everyone's shocked in the mainstream media community because that is a hero. and it was bipartisan bipartisan in congress to send so many billions of dollars worth of public money when you're in a cities or a crumbling clearly, and perhaps the journalists in kiev drinking the wine. who knows? because, so what you're saying is zelinski is buying is fueling the war on ukraine by buying

russian oil on the black market rusher. sandy diesel is roger is obviously funding ukraine because with north stream gone, it has to be transit fees for gas and going through ukraine. actually, and that's part of it there are, you know, this the price of diesel, but there is still a gas line that was, was operational, i think, in the sixty's, a long time ago, from russia through ukraine, into some of the countries that in western europe, all warsaw, blah, countries, you know, the old number, the warsaw block that existed as an opposition to our nato, i guess was, and they have to pay the transit fee, washer pens, even every, every gets russian continues to pay a tacit fee for that pipeline. and oil does flow, but it doesn't go to your credit, goes through your grade. and but, and there's always been incredible complaints over the years. i mean,

for decades about ukraine plug into it illegally and sizing. somebody's go out. but that was before the war. it's just look, i didn't know i should be a giggling amount of because it's, it's really quite a crazy situation. and as you know, the united states is from the kennedy days on there's all sorts of speeches and talks and concerned about the fact that we viewed the fact that russia has so much oil so much and so much under price oil for years. so much very clean methane gas and they've been selling it particularly want to europe at one low price is a lot of it keeps everybody warm and happy new businesses flowing. and we always use that as a weapon. russia, weaponized, it's oil. okay, well you know, we, i think we, we did talk about it on, on the north stream episode, people going to look at it on rumble. but also in your article,

you're talking about weapons, real weapons. actually there was an american w b. i host randy critical was in dubai in transit from don't yet. he wondered why a comedian was in don't yet, rather than us journalists covering the war. and he saw with his own eyes the kind of killing that was been going on with you as high mars and so on. i understand that the exports of arms from ukraine are gaining traction here. they, they're not just killing web people in europe. tell me about this booming weapons export market was not written about it, but i've obviously heard, you know, i don't, i don't where they call it the dark marker to the black marker, very early poland, romania, other countries on the border were being flooded with weapons. we were shipping for the war to ukraine. in other words, commanders of various, you know, g, i don't,

i don't know what level. often it wasn't generals, it was colonels and others who were given a shipment of some weapons, would personally re sell m a retail and back into the black and dark market and including they were the concern of when i there's a lot of concern and this was months after the war began last february, there could have these handheld a missile guns, missiles that could shoot down an airplane, you know, at a considerable height. and so there was a lot of concern about that. but that and one at one time about 6 months ago, maybe more c, b, s, wrote a story about it that they were forced to retract they pub in c, s. television put on the air show about the arms listed or attract these mistakes. i no, they just, they were just, you know, everybody's, you know, everybody's, we're, we're, we're on the side of ukraine. we all hate russia. and, you know,

and biden hates russia and, and he h china and was totally a blanket the secretary of state a. jake sullivan, the national security advisor, and victoria newland, or blinking i call him wickham, blinking, and now they're all unified in their public distaste and, and contempt for russia all things russian and the same for china. i hear that by bites in the process of going to try and discourage certain sales of, of goods from china to the united states is going to bar some. these are the sanction those were i just don't understand where this immense up point of hate comes up. yes, we did a terrible thing by starting a war, and that's going to be on him forever. you know, he actually started one when he didn't have to know is that convinced me he did not have to? i don't, i think you could have negotiated something where you're going to get that. if

you're going to get that interview with put in kaylee and of course he and the russians, i'd say the war started way before i read it. i read as interviews, they're quite interesting. i think that's his argument. i miss you know, and remember, 2007 and one of those international conferences there seems horrible. he actually publicly said, i wanted to take me in a nato, i'm in europe. so i did, i say say you can't, history is what russia did. they started the 1st, the bloodiest warren in, in western europe since world war 2. you know, you get this larvae, it was, it was pretty bad. sy hersh, i'll stop you there. more from the pulitzer prize winning legendary journalists after this break. ah, ah ah

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ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with pulitzer prize winning, legendary journalist, seymour hersh. i want to get on to, i mean, i should just also say there's no, you mentioned blink. and there's no sign yet of any element of corruption at that level. this is just, it's not, it is a wesley collection cell that does. this is the language as, as he rolls through carmen, he thinks he can bully people. and jake sullivan's biggest claim to fame was he was hillary's lawyer when she was in there during a lot of investigations including the g mail. and he also ended up working at brookings. with strobe talbott, who won, he was deputy secretary state in the clinton administration, was the major pusher for expanding nato to the east. that was,

that was actually when the chinese embassy was bombed in you, he slavish when served all but with you to remember that you also mentioned though, the 82nd airborne is training in poland. what, what do they do it? why would the 2nd avenue to 101st is in is who are they 1st? who is the 82nd? they have one year? who is the executive board? and why should we wait a 2nd? and we're just, we're leaking numbers of the army. it's a brigade which is composed of 5 companies, which as may be $7500.00 men. and last year we also brought the 101st inventory airborne, another elite unit, and a brigade, 5 companies, or 4 companies and add on companies probably with backup forces. we've got 20000 american soldiers exercising, doing training missions, maybe in poland is 60 miles from the border review crane. many, it's a little farther, but they're so easy, easy. what are they doing?

i mean, what if they think they going to be doing? well, i don't know, but i thought i asked my story and you know the story you're talking about, which ran a couple weeks ago. that's what i asked, i guess what, what are they there for? what's the plan, if the war goes bad, is jose jose willing to buy a global pipeline and keep as best al, i'm one of the good allies in nato, germany called in a little bankrupt. you know, it's not, you know, it's, it's going to be cost a lot of money to replace the, the cheap cassie was getting out of north stream till he was gonna get. and so he got rid of that. what would he do if the war, you know, this, all this talk about an offensive? i think it's been going on. but what, what, what would you do if it suddenly did turn bad, as i will tell you, most of the people i know think it has think that's just the question of what wants to do when, but you know, that's not what you're seeing in the western papers,

and by the way, all of these re intelligence re book reports that have come out in the last week. summer. very interesting. but in general, we all know that day, oh, cliche about intelligence please. you know, they're taking a rosy picture, some of the numbers in it, but again, their documents and so the, you know, they get tremendous attention because, well, i wasn't the attention to the content of the leaks from the band. again, the got the attention. it was, it was trying to get, wasn't it? will you surprise you've opened your oh, your whole life has been dependent on the 1st amendment and of maybe the 4th amendment of the us constitution would it would make you feel when they weren't talking about as you are saying, the pentagon leaks about rosie pictures of counter fences by the ukrainians. they were talking about your paper. the new york times was talking about how to,

how they help the f b i to apprehend jack texas tech zera this 21 year old national guardsman. i don't get me going on the press. there's that there's a no with the presses a no win situation may look, i worked for years at the new york times as i'm sure everybody to pay for it. i always want a lot of prizes. and one of the most important stories i wrote about them ca, spying on american citizens, had nobody named in it. and so, you know, the notion now. so there's always this, the, it's, it's, i'm certainly an outsider. now i'm publishing on a subset, which is a i'm self publishing in essence, but i will tell you for sure. i have retained a terrific editor, somebody i worked with at the london review books. and one of the other of your books has gone pro ukraine by the way, i just read the latest issue. but i was trying to what i was trying to get at there was, this is worse than when i last spoke to you. a few weeks back because last time you criticize a year old paper,

the new york times. now it's not the with the new york times, not printing important news of interest in the public interest about what's happening in europe and who knows where else they're actually growing. about aiding the f. b i and capturing alleged whistle blows. that's a new one, isn't it? in let me make a broader than a new york times because you can't win an argument with it. you know, i just don't want to get into an argument, but i sometimes do. but, but trump terrified to press that he won. after all, the mocking they did. and they're terrified again, and i will tell you there's a lot of people, very worried that we may end up with a biden trump ticket in 2024. and so the times response to trumping all the, all the horrors, the january, 6 invasion of the capitol has there been, i think, to make

a very distinct commitment to being pro, by there's very little criticism about him. none of the stories i've written about by none of the allegation of them more than allegations with a lot of specifics i look, i know much more than i've said about what that mission took place in the base. it was based on knowing what we were doing. and so none of them have followed the story in any way except the right counter stories given by the intelligence community. so the fact that the, it does was 2 ways. i, you know, you cannot be shocked at the times would be as good citizens turning to the half the height there. of course i am, but you can't be see, there you go. you're going to make me get self serving, but the sources you want are people that are motivated then ever since i did the meal i massacre story, which made a lot of people in the military who suffered through vietnam and the horrors there and kept their mouth shut because they wanted to get that next are the next

promotion and they knew talking about it. so i was an ex peter for them. and so the people that i talked to take the oath of office, they have to take it every year in the military. anyway, i think in state department to they don't take it to their boss or the colonel or the general or to the president to take it to the constitution. and those are the people i have. i know and many, many more than my think who i talk to because when, when they see something wrong, even though their job may be online, if i, if i screw up and somehow do get them nailed in the story, right. but they talk to me and the times, you know, i don't think when i worked there, they had those kind of sources. i mean, i know that because they relied on me for certain things. you with how you are the person with how we were going to the end. what was that person? well, i noticed as a spokesman, a pretty, you know, just a one star able named john kirby ways to know when he was a junior officer in the, in the press office for the secretary of defense. when i was working at the new

yorker and writing about no w, m d and all that stuff by the cheney bush stuff, much critical stuff. and he was then involved. now, he is a merge as the fellow who backs up the when, when there's a critical issue. he backs up the president press a young woman, he's always there to answer questions and he goes on the sunday talk shows. we're talking about a prescott now being going on the stork. so that used to be the domain of the secretary, the state, or the national security advisor. you don't see much of those guys anymore right now. i don't know what's going to happen with the pipeline story. i don't know if it's ever going to come out because this government will never investigated it in anonymous way because the un un won't either despite russia and china, and brazil wanting to and you're intimating their, the anger actually in the latest piece you seem to be intimating there is an anger

at certain levels there, but did it at least vindicate you a little that while you were being characters fascinated and not covered with the sin of omission, the mainstream media did. do you think it was because of your article that i love, schoultz would not get take questions when he visited biden last month. i mean, why people were saying, well, why did the, i mean, presumably even the, so go mainstream media had your article on their, their mind and, and now the washington post is conceded that european investigators don't believe the, the billing cabs. i mean, this is some out organization slowly getting traction. i mean, do you think that's why john schultz was not allowed? i mean, normally you'd have him and biden doing questions when they, when they do the, it doesn't matter what i think because i don't know the answer. i do know that the community intelligence community is, is, it feels i shouldn't, that's a big statement. there's, there are people there who do analysis and right complicated report with

complicated foreign policy studies, et cetera. you know, this and intellectual game and visual isolate. many of them show isolated because there's no sign that the white house is terribly interested in long term. what we call national intelligence estimates, and they certainly don't want one on the pipeline. and so there's a, there's a disconnect, i think, between some elements of the, of the, of the, of the, and the community and, and the white house. i don't think i don't, i don't think they see biden as an avid reader of their work or desire desiring to have a special i understand. but a lot of presidents, you know, when ronald reagan was president, they see every day give something called the president. his daily beef is called the p d, p, and skies and the cia up to $34.00. and i'm wanting to propagate losing of 3 year page thing for the president and a few senior people is the 2nd,

the vice president secretary states that are sick deaf not to many people. it's a very hot document. and at some point it knows, it was understood that reagan wasn't really it. and so column paul, who's long gone, i can tell the story now. figured out the way to do it. he would, he would tape it go on and to video. he would read it in a video and then plug the video in for reagan to watch. and that's how they got him to read the have he has all you with i'm, i'm going to say we, we don't have time to, to look at the latest piece which is a, which is guantanamo. and i know this is a watch this program in guantanamo in the t. v room apparently. but i guess people should, i don't know if you have any very quick message to the people and went down and we'll be watching this in the u. s. prison camp because your latest one is about a loan process. well, the only point i made is that the constitution united states is very clear on

something called due process. and if you're in a jail in america, you don't have to be a citizen, they get due process, and you don't have to have been captured somewhere outside of america or american sovereign territory. due process is in the constitution. and none of the courts that have educated the very disciplined, legal issues that go to war in the course of done something and forcing them back in the bush cheney days of forcing the white house to at least the government to give some rights to them. but none of the no court has ever said the one thing that nobody wants said, which is the prisoners have absolute right to due process. the way the court, there was a case decided a couple weeks ago that sort of blew my mind with some guy who was released. you know, they've been in for 20 to 20 years. gone to the torture prisons that we had back in the early days. got the guantanamo no evidence at all convicting and linking

anything. finally, 2 years ago he was released. he was said, you're free to go. but when you have to go to a safe country, well, he was from yemen and he wanted to go back there. and so the establishment, whether was the, the, the state of, i was the people, the, i guess the military running the prisons there, established and said it's not safe. so you can't go there. so he's been a little they can read people to read on yourself stack about of the law. i'm you got you got a guy. i know you've got to manage schaefer, you know you, you are is give me grief as much as i give you. i that i and she gave no grief science. thank you. that's why i show that's ever the jo. we'll be back on saturday for the final show of this season with john perkins allege, well, back in, i'm every can only get mad to talk about which world leaders are on washington's assassination list. meanwhile, you can keep in touch by all our social media. if it's not centered in your country and had to our channel going on, the grantee on rumble dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground

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