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charity of voices and of levity of views in order to bring back the stability and bring about peace in the middle east. not, of course, ignoring how important this area is, as well as north africa with regards to global economics. most of those economies are really what drives the economies of the world, major oil producers and the lakes. and they, they continue to occupy a very important part in world economics, but also in the space of where they are situated. and currently where the hot bed of conflict has been. the feeling here, amongst bricks members, is that it cannot be a singular voice. that is leading within the middle east, the north african primarily being vent of the united states, which to this day remains a conflict. and pardon has been accused by more than one country as a meddling nation with in the middle east. south africa is also trying to not only
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are in the importance of the middle east, but they are looking forward to looking at this as one of the events that will be taking place, leading up to a south africa hosting the heads of speeds of the bricks club later this year in august. and this will be happening in johannesburg in august. not what we understand is that we have a situation where, where not only south africa is looking at hosting there, but they're looking at inviting the bigger african countries south africa did the very same. or when it held the chair ship of 5 years ago, we saw a wider african family representation. and that is very much expected to happen again. this year the us led invasion of iraq was based on the false pre tax of weapons of mass destruction in the country,
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and led to decades of turmoil in the wider region. here in r t after a short break will bring you the full interview with a victim of torture at the infamous abu ghraib prison state june aeronautics international. ah ah ah ah
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ah ah ah ah ah ah, this me that i had known as tom. my name is drake. now i'll come out. i was present at number 160831. that was the number assigned to me by the us occupation forces.
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after my arrest. they took me in for recording things on camera. when the americans 1st arrived and baghdad fell, what we saw at 1st was very different from the reality i experienced in prison. the americans arrived with promises of security, democracy, peace and freedom. and we welcomed all that under saddam. there were barely any freedoms left in iraq, so we said good. let's see what we can make of it. maybe we can sought our lives and, you know, then we saw the americans do things in the streets of baghdad, things that were very different from what they promised. we had people, we trusted our religious leaders, but the americans were invaded with whom you never knew. if they were lying or telling the truth, if we lived like that for a while, then came the arrests. people were taken at random and nobody knew why we watched this and we couldn't wrap our minds around it. where did the promised freedom and democracy go? what fall i was a period of g had resistance against the invaders,
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initiated by a religious latest. now what's important about my row? i was seeing the people who filmed the invaders getting clobbered there, but crashes on high 5th street in the out wiley neighbourhood and a few other neighborhoods of baghdad. and there i was filming the evidence yet. they came for my brother 1st, the rest of us started in the provinces. we never saw any freedom or democracy, only indiscriminate killing. they broke into our homes, assaulted and dishonored, all wives and sisters murdered people opening in the streets. we saw air raids against anti townsend communities in the suburbs of baghdad. so we rebelled against the invaders. what else could we do? there was not a single shred of freedom of democracy in the actions are religious laid as openly cold. dom invite us, our politicians at the time sided with the americans turning against their own people. that's what our country looked like for a while. sad. oh, so like i said, my brother was one of the 1st to be arrested at the time i was filming the developments in various neighborhoods in baghdad on apple straight and on high for
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straight. like we filmed our people being arrested and murdered. we had 40 showing sniper's push on the roofs of hype. a straight gunning people down like cattle. how is that freedom and democracy and the rocky government wouldn't lift a finger? many of us were killed, murdered in cold blood. some would kidnap yes, they kidnapped people. there were people in civilian clothes, we didn't know who they were or whether they worked for the americans. when the arrests started, we could no longer sleep safely in our homes. so we left for the provinces. had they chased us like we were criminals? like we were terrorists with actual we didn't even know what tara was before they arrived. they got my older brother 1st, then they started looking for me. i filmed them and the horrible things they did on add port street, an heifer straight. i watch with my own eyes, my fellow rockies fighting back. my people would never put up with the invite us, i for them to because i won't allow anyone to invite my land and humiliate my wife, mother and sister. so we fought, father, danny,
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they arrested my older brother than my younger brother. at the time, i was a one of a rocks provinces. we had organized resistance moved there, a strong one. unlike what the americans say, it was the rocky people who oppose them, not some distant factions. i filmed and sent footage to al jazeera almena and 2 other arab tv networks and to show how the invaders were treating the iraqi people . as for the rocky government, it assisted the americans in killing all people. the americans came to destroy us, not bring us freedom and democracy. the father has for the rest itself started with me arriving in baghdad. i didn't tell anyone when i'd be arriving all that i was coming back. it's old. i was sleeping out on the terrace when they sent troops to my location. that night i remember wearing a dished ashy. we were having dinner, my brother cook, make a bab. we love cabin a rocky cuisine, so we also had 3 and some other dishes. i wanted to visit my brother who had been arrested a while before. he couldn't tell me they wanted to arrest me also. he wasn't
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allowed to keep in touch with us from prison, so we had no idea what was coming. like i said i was sleeping when they came out of nowhere helicopter came right above me. troop as descended from it, grabbed me and clamped my mouth, shut. one of the moss, are you to right? i said yes i am. they had an interpreter with them who said i was under arrest. i was shocked since i hadn't done anything wrong. they took me to the helicopter, put me in some kind of basket suspended on oaks of any same things like that in the movies than we took off. i had no idea where they were taking may or what crime had, supposedly committed when they arrested my brother. they wrapped him up in duck tape, head to toe like a mummy and threw him into a call. yet on the we arrived at the baghdad airport, so it was a short flight. they took me out of the basket and brought me to a place inside the boat. i didn't know where i was. i was wrapped like a mummy and state like that for 3 hours and then for women soldiers came,
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they asked you to rate a value. i didn't know what i done wrong. i said, yes, i am to write and talk to them for a while yet then an interpreter came wearing goggles and masks. he said, you're a terrorist. and i said, what have i done to be called a terrace? i'm not a terrorist. he said, all right. and he turned on a water hose and told me to undress right in front of the women when they hit me with a stick on the head and on the back and drench me with water from the 00s. and it was a cold day than they left me one of the rooms where i stayed naked for about 4 days . it was hardly any food. they would bring some flat bread, say food, and throw it at us. it tasted like paper, we didn't really know what it was, bread or some other kind of bakery. i was very hungry all the time. they gave us one glass of water a day just enough to wet our lips just enough to keep us from dying of thirst and starvation. i am with the interpreter and the women soldiers laughed at me. they said we'd been looking for you for 2 or 3 months, you've been arrested for fighting the occupying forces. i said i didn't fight them
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. there were other people, 3 the people rose undeclared, jihad against you. because you came and said one thing, but did another. that's what you're doing now is the best example that they tied my hands and took me to another room to beat me oxygen. then they took me to my older brother and asked him, is this your brother durham? he said, yes, i gave him some kind of injection and his leg went limp than they are. my 2nd brother is this your brother durham? he said yes. and they took him away in italy, then they took me to another place where i was with 30 or 40 other prisoners. helicopters came and took away important people, those who were opposing the invaders and sent them to guantanamo. they sent about 20 people that i remember that very well they just came in a helicopter and took people away or shown in charlotte them investigation started . i thought it would take a month or 2, but it took 7 months. there was no real investigation. they just mistreated me all the time. they sat, police dogs on me and put my face against their muzzles with a face animal like that. you don't know what it will do. what they made me talk to
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the dogs. i asked, what should i say? these are animals and they said say what have you want? when i was talking to the dogs, they took notes and then checked. if i'd gotten anything wrong, then they took me to a different room and pulled water on me. i couldn't see where i was in another room . they beat me with a stick and broke my ribs. there was also room with live snakes. on one occasion, they wanted me to stretch out my arms to stand like a cross. remember when some western and arabic channels showed that picture of a person with his arms stretched out like a crossway, they wanted me to do the same about some a religious latest by shit and sunny, but also put in that prison. i didn't know all of them. the americans tortured them too, but they said they would enjoy it and did not give out any information pima con. like i said, they would take us to different rooms in one room. you would be beaten in another room. they were snakes in a 3rd room, they were animals, then they would give a cup of coffee. but after you finish the coffee, everything would start again. that's what their investigation was like. they made up challenges,
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they had nothing to do with reality. at 1st i thought i was the only person in this situation, but there were thousands of people who were accused of terrorism like that a, than the u. s. troops who had god in the area began to clash with our brothers. americans couldn't leave us there, but they didn't want to release the seda, so they moved us to another prison. that's not what a man would do. they was just acting like cowboys. cannuck helicopters came and took us to camp boca, but that's where it all started. a long walk. have you becca alba dead people to camp boca? that's why they arranged into several columns. my cousin assoni was with me. my brother alley who had a long bed was also there. he's my older brother from a different father who had died by that time. my younger brother was also with me. we stood in a cult. what i'm saying is that the religious strife, all the problems, and in all wings, there were people who tortured the weapons and took off their clothes. we said, oh god, what is all this? we're not used to this. we own a religious tradition. we pray, read the koran and keep the faust we ended up in that prison for having stood up
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against the invaders. because all that was of freedom and democracy were as far from reality as can be. i went out, relatives came to visit americans watched as closely paying attention to everything we were saying. making sure we didn't disclose what was going on in the prison. where is freedom and democracy in that? what we did get was torch up slow, death and poison food refrigerator trucks came in carrying crates of poisoned food . many of the inmates were poisoned, some of them even died. there were no medications. they just gave you any pell or any sent those for treatment. who were on that death bed. already she saw that they waged a psychological war against us. sometimes they would set a tent on fire or let place dogs loose on us. or remember one time when they set 10 dogs on us while we were praying, why did they do that? they would unleash a blood bath and then climb watchtower to watch and laugh. we knew that something bad was going to happen when we saw one of the seniors go up, the watch tower. when we was surrounded by prison officers, we already knew we were in for another performance and we had to resign. otherwise
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they would have killed all mutilated us. many tried to flee, but no one succeeded. for some of the fail escapees were locked up in cells full of snakes to be eaten by the reptiles. we saw things that can't be described by words, so much suffering amity. they wouldn't let us smoke for entertainment sake. when we suffered without cigarettes, can we? i told us we'd get cigarettes if we brought him scorpions and made us take holes in the soil of spoons. in search of scorpions, we got 2 cigarettes a day for one scorpion, also, they wouldn't let us drink tea. what is psychological wool? if not this, as i said, just now, the watch towers along the prison perimeter were transformed in strip clubs at night, where women soldiers would strip is beyond comprehension for the religious leaders that were there were thus kept saying that we would stay firm and avoid watching or taking part in that, but americans would force us if we put up resistance, they burned down on tents. threatened da, so took us to the extremist wing in what they apparently hadn't arrangement with
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them. and sat we would be such in a humiliating manner with wings. inmates would beat us out a west attempt to poke our eyes out with a spoon. when i got there, i tried to stay silent and low profile to get out in one piece. ah, [000:00:00;00] ah ah, ah!
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for only one main thing is important for knox ism internationally speaking, that is, that nation's thoughts are allowed to do anything, all the mazda races, and then you have the minor nation. so the slave americans, rock obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves the american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous boy, man that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy and walked out of it on your own english v i n b, i not leashed off to observe on and tablet block. nato said it's ours. we move east and the reason us had gemini is so dangerous. is it the lie? the sovereignty of all the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses in its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nato,
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what is founded shareholders in united states and elsewhere in lodge obs companies would lose millions and millions. wars business and businesses good. and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion a wrong one. i just don't want you to see out these name because of the african and engagement. it was the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah,
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how did you get? what was a ritual? vanilla ice right there, about 14 months. and then i was released as a rule when they were attacks and fighting a rupture, they used to say they would release half of the inmates to take it new prisoners who would then see to the difference between american promises and the prison reality. i spent over year in that facility because of the trumped up charges against me and the deliberate foot dragging with a to wondering what on earth they're investigating all this time. i know that in some cases it makes was so tired of waiting. when the investigation was repeatedly prolonged, they would admit any charges. the investigator brought against them and were ready to sign any papers. however, once the papers was signed, they were transferred elsewhere. and those they could crack even by torture, was sent to once on about how to go. we, i'm positive that many of the inmates were transferred to once dynamo and we've lost track of them and know nothing of their whereabouts. a lot of people ended up
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like that either she, when someone was released, it always happened after 2 a. m. for some reason. they released those who'd been there for 4019, or 20 months. they set free. the inmates had been kept there for a while to replace them with new ones aiming to torture and break them as well. they usually came at 2 a. m, or maybe 233 a. m. as for me, i know they had a list of inmates who had been imprisoned for 14 months. there were 8 people on that list, including me. they lined us up and told us we were about to be released. i hadn't expect that the thought they were going to kill us now or something like that. often enough to the prison and camp booker, i had stopped expecting anything good a toll, and was generally surprised when they told me i was free. in these to be added though, that they made a sign papers expressly stating that we can't fall complaints or make public any information pertaining to the prison's inner workings. they made a sign those papers saying they would bring us freedom and democracy. we kept silent, of course, wishing for all this end as soon as possible. there were 4 offices there. the 1st
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one was smiling at us as he explained about complaints and information sharing. then a woman came with the papers we were told to sign. a 3rd person was one of their seniors this morning he sat looking at us and then said, was sorry, okay, let's consider your apology accepted, i replied, but you broke into my house and took away my equipment for his jewelry and money. and he said to me that god, help you nicholas can you imagine that he said that to me, they told me to call had quarters about the lisa. but there were thousands of people like me that 3 quarters of all a rockies pass through their prisons. some of them were killed or died in incarceration. others was stripped of all their rights within me to cut a long story short. they dress you in a dish dashing, give you a koran, then drop you off at one of baghdad streets to do whatever you want. next, as i remember them, giving us 50 us dollars to cover the public transport fe and they give you a one size fits oldish dasha of an an identifiable color. it's like a uniform. the only inmates released at the same day were dressed in similar dish
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dashes. it was terrible to find yourself in the street dress like that because people start giving you suspicious looks, wondering what had happened to you and not knowing if they were safe around you. and you remember that they were st. clashes at the time, but they released us. thank god. and i continue fighting for my own rights and the rights of my brothers. one of whom is dead and the other crippled. and those of my cousin who is at home now and completely at a loss to know what to do with his life, and i have nothing to add to that. why did you marin such fathers? what did they won't? like i said, they did it to all iraqi people because they behave like cowboys, not men. they came here for money. they came here to destroy a rock. i have nothing to add on. how do you, i'm going to affect you today. hello. yes, this is still affecting me as i think about what happened. it feels like i'm going back and reliving it. i tried to forget, of course, but i can't since i think about it every day looking at my handicap brother. i
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can't forget my cousin who just sits round of home doing nothing. can forget my brother who was killed and i lost everything we had together to carry out. the americans still won't admit that he died because of them. but i will keep fighting because they've occupied our land. the message they proclaimed when they came here had nothing to do with what they actually brought. how do you my to factor? only junior officials and soldiers, wherever charl. all those who all right. such as the service game justice, we should talk about the top level leadership, not military commanders. if we need to talk about those, you came to our country and private jets. like i said, they came to destroy and oppress us. that is all. who do you hold responsible? what happens when they come? the americans and american troops. i remember a special unit. they called scorpion. there were others as well. they reported to scorpion and they murdered, arrested, and tortured people. they are responsible. i'm not talking just about myself and my rights ago,
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i'm talking about hundreds of thousands of iraqis who ended up in prisons, people from all over a rock, baghdad, basrah, et cetera. the american stripped them of their rights and did not letting them fight for them. even now they destroyed the country, killed so many people. so many women and children ruined their homes. they stormed houses with only women and children side and killed them. and what are we to do? stay silent and only told to god this is not a solution. many people that we have spoken to in iraq, indeed across the world said the george bush, tony black, should be tried his wounds. what do you make of those claims? yes, they need to be executed a course. i agree that it is their fault. what do you want to hear from me? you want me to go down memory lane again. i can't recount everything they've done. but what will it change, or you think they will fail? remorse, know, will they be prosecuted? no. those who are behind all this must be prosecuted because they responsible for
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the destruction of a rock. and i have a lot of information about everything that happened. i can tell you about the hospitals. they brought diseases that still can't be cured. i want to talk through you and ask for the rights of the innocent who were murdered to be restored. they stripped off people of their rights. ah, ah oh, hungary has been a member of the european union and nato since 1999 during the 1st post soviet wave of nato's eastward expansion. number's sailors because of this. they may longer. thanks. his dilemma brought to the c, like by law as a conscience,
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l. e. so me, if so would you progress? sure. zappa good luma edge to avoid to be sure every mia still more gina? beach grass. you. but i see also wash roy a ma gucci strongly in the early ninety's hungry was a country with the worst view of russia due to historical disagreements left over from the soviet union. the younger and was all right, and what is someone like yours? but i don't know what i see if you brought it by somebody in the compared to political more than as what i see is great. and i did it at the political, those with who no one, no son of neural julio luna will go more shrill than what they showed up. unit 731 was
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a unique organization in the history of the world. what they were trying to do was to simply do nothing short and build the most powerful and most deadly biological weapons program that the world had ever known. drill um, you know, to production issue or sure, doug did that. they're not killed when you saw new rochelle. he knew margaret. hi martha, this is matt new against them all. and i got the sale. i got ya. i got on monday. i wish to know about joy whole new b. also more polished enough,
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jr. let's i had to put a couch nice. oh boy, that's good to go. if you want to. well she my a new on it all. i can send more a year. not a give us a look and you live muscles. if you look on the initial, be one of them not to give you post on a scan, used to put value a new one or 2, but you also still with on those
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a what i see the student both use the little gear motivation. so do you done, bob? with 3 guided rockets away targeting body body. good is perhaps the most 4 to 5 sets of money that ukraine has a it's controlled. archie follows an anti tank crew near the city of muddy in russia. done? yes, we're pop like that, that's russian forces continue their advance in the region. this fight strong fortifications built by care. over the last 8 years. the used foreign policy chief calls on military ship the sale through the taiwan strait, maintaining
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a provocative approach and risking an escalation in the region. as the

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