as you can jump anytime you want, and i always have both of nato stell hamburger he visited. you could deny ukraine. nate is in nato where these categorical decorations that are will you know, that her ukraine will be unaided then is i think we're in a very dangerous situation yet because martin is, as it didn't have to be, but it's being, it's being, it's been turned into an existential conflict, one side wins, one side loses and that, that is the craven choice on the, on the part of, of nato washington. okay. because we, we haven't heard anything come out of the biden administration about how to end this conflict at all. and it has its obvious for if these so called intelligence to weeks are true, which george and i can contest there, you know, their, their veracity. um, it tells the this has, has almost nothing to do with ukraine anymore. it all has to do with the west, brushing russia. that's what it's gotten down to learn where and did it. did it

ever happen is it's julia chrome. i wonder i think this this statement from still from the ne, so 60 general are somewhat astounding. and i don't know whether they can even be believable or they seem to be as valuable as the french can leaks. i also take about a skeptical view of pentagon leaks by where i've been writing by this recently. and what is all this about? i mean, can we get a helicopter view of it and try and get some clarity? is it that the media fodder is running out? so we just don't have enough to send to the journalist by the container load. you know, the stocks are running very, very low, and we need some more polemic statements that are going to get, and we're excited. i'm. is it the night? so actually believe that, so now to does nato actually believe that we can get to a point where by nature membership ukraine is even viable. i'm not sure. i think may be the name, the nature chief stone,

but actually might well believe i'm so whether it's got the support of mistake, some of the master you said about budget and we know how to think about budget on this. i didn't think we're going to hear anything. it's all from binding. the leading up, he's going to, he's gonna campaign now is looking up, which tick off at the end of summer. you know, i'm wondering whether this is george mentioned or lose. so i think this is definitely a way of ruling out any possible chunks of talks between the western russia and what is the definitive thing that you can do? you can actually state that ukraine could be a nation member at some point to me it seems like a bluff. it seems like a blast because we know that it's very easy for countries to become this. remember doing this is the backing from the parliament, sweden and finland recently. we saw that, but it's, it's a big deal with ukraine. it's not just the ukrainian parliament, it's going to sign that america and britain, which would have to sign that off as well. and i can't really imagine the one, you know, incendiary issue of the nature members of ukraine being signed off. because what

does that mean? that means, then there is no other decision making process whatsoever for us to send troops to you. great now, and then how good your memory is, but a few months ago when you show, i said it was only a matter of time before the british american troops sent to ukraine. i wonder if we are running up now because of the statement. i wonder if i wonder if nature is preparing us because the big institutions like nights are always like to repair the ground. when we started off over a year ago, you know, we couldn't mention, we got to where we are today. now we're talking about own and sending jets by to jess to ukraine, you know, a year ago. also hearing peace quote unquote peacekeeping force could be sent from some coalition of georgia. martin has gotten to the whole point to this program. is there an eminent un nato in, in, as far as i around true simply with national flags from nato countries entering,

i mean, we can, we can have mercenaries and can volunteers, he can have all that. but i mean, are we at this stage right now because i think we are, because there is the, they can't ratchet and back. there's only one gear, it's forward. they don't know how to turn it around because, and they're not getting the results that they want. i mean, you know, the ukraine is a financial basket case right now. it can't pay any of its own bills. i need the, the prime minister of hungry is made that very clear. but that's the only logical next step george. but that means potentially world war 3. george. very, exactly. and there are clearly a number of nato member states that desire list. i really do want this world war 3. they want this epic, elliptic of playing out of courses that were of one final push to destroy russia, to white brush off the map. and only time does that happen in history, george, that kind of, fortunately of and so we go, poland, ah,

the baltic states. so check republic, slovakia, they're all on board and they want they somehow want this in great conflict with russia. they nope, i've no other then i'm going to be doing the fighting in all of this, but it's a way of provoking this conflict and then invoking article 5. that's the thing that's, that's it once, once wherein, and russia retaliates against that, that a article 5 ought to go 5 and the united states i go in the u. k is also seems to be on board list. so thou the, the skeptics when we were always thinking about france and germany, they don't seem to have much of a seen all of this. and particularly when you have the german foreign minister, alina babble, who's also on board with this, and, and the increasing belligerents coming from germany. not so much from sergeant shoals, but, but from the rest of it, i'm in, been now had yet again, another diplomatic, the spot with, with russia, with 20 diplomats on either side

b. expel. so this is an ongoing thing. and so really the skeptics are really just pushed out from all of this. and i think there's also a, you know, a lot of troubling things that are going on. and you know, they are peripheral for instance. i mean, we, this, the story that appeared and we discussed it on the gaggle in the washington post. a very long article suggesting that any ah, peace movement in germany must be essentially banned because this is. c entirely engineered by the kremlin, and then we have in the united states suddenly the just as they pop and bringing indictments against some obscure, ah, you know, left this socialist black nationalist movement because they're being directed by the kremlin. so it's almost always in a preparatory we're, we're being prepared for a crackdown on free speech in anticipation of well,

both 3 it with martin a my article 5 has been written here. a mentioned here, i mean, what is its value? i mean, if we, if it's supposed to be as it turns now it's being raised, this is what i'm beginning to think more. mount oak gadhafi. so it's not as for fish, does it sound i think, i wonder what the looking at some the, the, the, the ground forces russian grandfather in back moot who had taken a considerable part of that region on a wondering will we survive but moved fooling. i have pronounced correct. i'm sure some will correct me. will we actually survive his gruesome live it on a, on a public image level will be survive if you know, even, even on crush will have it will not be the end of nature because of that fools. you know, happens in wolves when, when one side makes a decisive victory, it doesn't stop them to stop and break up the bows of oak, a crits of beer, they carry on. as a mentioned, you know, because you destroy the morale of your enemy. and i'm wondering whether they'll start to panic. now, western countries a point martin, if there's

a sense of panic in the air, and when you're, you're rationally got it right gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on your current state. ah, 481937 militaristic, japan started a full scale invasion of china. the invading army was rapidly advancing towards the capital of the republic of china, the dying, the city of nudging, leaving behind the burned down villages and thousands of the dead. on december 13

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many participants of the atrocity phase trial. however, the commander of the japanese army in the non gene operation breeds yahoo ego osaka was able to escape the responsibility due to the interference of the american administration with welcome out across stock where all things are considered on peter lavelle. this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real news. ah, churches continue with a line of thought that we had in the 1st part of the program. one of the problems that you know, it's something you and i talked about extensively is the framing of this conflict.

framing it in the weston and how russia frames, and from the very, from the get go. the russians have said that ours, our security is at stake. you're not respecting our security concerns. we have told you for 30 years. nato expansion is the brightest of red lines. i'm actually quoting the current director of this. um and but in the west it's, it's, it's, it's existential. but it is a turned into a purity test. you've already mentioned it. i mean just black nationalist left is group. i'm criticizing the american support if you can't and they're facing litigation. ok. i mean, no descent is allowed at all is because it's a purity test. it's good in evil. that's not the way you should frame geo politics . it always ends in a disaster. george? yes, exactly. right. and that was was so interesting about a stolen bug. i mean, he was saying this in here, and then he went off to the ramstein and base. he said,

well, we have to stick with this to the end. because because, well, because russian must not be allowed to win. and why must rational be allowed to win? because then we are the dictators get the determine what happens in the world and, and so on. so it's kind of a perfect circular argument. we must win because if we don't win then the other side wins. and then this is the most terrible thing. so there was never any discussion as to what actually is. there was a, it interests, the national interest of anyone in the west. what, what difference does it make to you? what happens in ukraine? it's nice, i've explained a lot, well this is a, this, or if a moral turpitude. that of happens if a russia wins. so because of that, then there is simply really no debate in the matter. and therefore,

only requires is with me to continue to whip this up and say, hey, the, the fatally well, depends on what goes on in ukraine. and this is the problem that they have. so few rational voices that say this is that this is really nonsense or on know, essential interest at stake all the west here and, and that's why this, which is continued down the spot of escalation. it's hard to see how it's how and where it stops. because you know who the, you know, going back to enter shoulder, but he's pretty much saying that when he doesn't really matter what anybody says about the matter, this is just going to happen. we're just simply going to go ahead. is there the ukraine, which is the integrated within nato, without anyone having any vote in the matter? and the answer, you know, that we would just replace the soviet era weaponry with nature weaponry. and that's all the rest of it. and you're just going to have to accept this in the,

in the russians will be standing by watching the entire time. that's what i mean in a martin. one of the, one of the scary things about this, we're talking about civil liberties already here. but i mean, because of this and almost a blank check that this is the only way that's going to be you can suppress a civil liberties. it somehow legitimizes austerity for the, for how the distortions of the economy. you know, people in the mainstream media talking about will europe survive the winter? well, of course it did, but the winter coming, that's going to be the difficult one. not the one that just passed here, but see, because you know, a nato must expand it. he must have ukraine. it's the reason why to cover up so many other issues that are, are bubbling up in western societies all because of ukraine. i mean, i don't see how that watches, but it certainly is a, um, a, it's, it's

a way for the elite to legitimize the status quo. go ahead yet. and so it's a massive conspiracy to distract media, a gum regular journalist from writing the regular stories on health care. you know, it, even in america, american friends comes to me telling me we don't have healthcare in america. and what they mean is free health care. and yet you've got a defense budget of what is it? 700000000. 8 am 800 minutes. i'm not even sure if we can send a 100000000000 to ukraine. there comes a point and i guess it will be at the end of the summer when the us election campaign starts, there comes a point where anough, blue collar people ask joe by this people look what the hell are we doing new cray? why are we sending a 100000000 dollars there? when we got people here living on the streets and can't get healthcare? you talk about, i'm covering up these issues. it doesn't only happen on a national level. you sure many, many journalists are, you know, not writing about healthcare environments, climate change, the economy. i'm in preference for am so, so some of these subjects, but it's also,

it's a isic isic genius moved by on the west also to not look at the international subjects . i mean, just look at is roles, treatment of palestinians in the last 6 months. have you noticed its gotten worse? have you noticed the atrocities or just beyond any of our imaginations now it's just gone. it's gone beyond the pale now it's gone over line. no, we can't even envisage. we can't imagine the horrors that go on that is not getting reported. and the reason why it's not getting report is because there is this binary approach to international media, which nato, people understand very well, which is, you know, let's focus on the big story. big stores, ukraine, we invest all the money in kind of correspondence, the, you know, we're, the coffers are very low, but i don't think this can go on forever. you know, i think there is it that that's the big question because, you know, we, we had rush again. we had coven, i mean, they have actually have resources to get to control the narrative. also, george,

isn't it very curious again, these weeks again, i can't really make heads or tails of it, but there's one interpretation of ukrainians are not winning. we have to double down. ok, we can, it's actually they're trying to manipulate how people feel about it. what we have to win there. so what should we do? so, in a way, a, this is kind of helping the standard narrative that you need to do more plus, you know, the u. s. is falling and it's international reputation. china is taking over all the more so to support ukraine. it's bizarre. did it? it is. you can never lose. if your crown is winning, therefore we must stand in even more because a they winning we, you know, victories within our grass. if your grain is not winning, if you change losing, hey, we will send more hours will prevail? so there's always a rationale for sending even more. and the problem is, is that of course, many people in america thinking, well,

what the hell are we doing? and why, why we're spending all this money on ukraine when they're all these domestic problems that remain unattended to. however, that voice never prevails. i mean, they, it's the amazing aspect of the american political system of the political systems, as well as the actual desires of the public never really percolates of says, you know, we have our political debates. you know, they interact with all the favor journalists and, and the germans never ask those very questions. are you doing spending this money on ukraine and not at home instead? how much more can we do for here? um, well, you know what, what if russia wins will? what's gonna happen then? they are always asking questions that the politicians can then, you know, sweep away. oh, with ease on it or the political system operates. but there, there it says closed loop a martin because it look at um

a secretary of state. i'm blank and he's i see more hurt strongly believes that he's involved with the destruction of the noise free pipeline of the news. i renewed my last few cycles. oh, who is, who is the origin of the 51 foreign policy experts and saying that they're under run by a laptop was a russian dis information today? when is he asked any questions by the media? will he ever be asked that any of these questions? it's i, i don't think so. i had work low, but i going back to the earlier point, you know what we are watching? i think george is wrong. i'm gonna, i'm gonna, i'm going to put my, by my fist on the table. i think you're wrong about these questions, i think now starting the asked if you look at the washington post coverage of but moot just a couple days ago the headline rosetta ukrainian church clinging on now the washington post is the stalwart defender and supporter of vitamin. and under democrats to use that works on the can't you just flip that in to say, but,

you know, we now we have to intervene. data has to intervene and we just have to interview with one of the reasons for that that, that spin of the story when you go to putting to talk. but it put into context. i think i think ukraine, the ukraine program needs to when it needs to advance me to buy means if it does not advance and nothing happens. and as a stalemate of status quo, by definition, russia is winning. and i think some of the journalist assigned to wake up to this and they are starting to asked is more difficult question is not a great number, i admit, but i think to take georgia tech, i think it's starting to the few, the ok questions for us being honest with you, and i just, it was focused on the point that marty made back note is a point of contention has been for some time between the americans and the kia and they've made it the americans have made a clearly numerous. so, us scoops will washington post a new york times that they don't think it's worth it or the go on fighting for bach mood. they want ukraine to focus on li, counter offensive,

the supposed counter offensive in the to break the of the land bridge to crimea. so that the, the, what the washing to post report is really part of a kind of an ongoing and leak and counter league of this is narrative that the americans want, which is stop it already with baffled waste of resources. focus on the of this land bridge and crimea. ok with that. and also it also gives people in the pentagon saying what we told them, you know, not to do it. they're always looking for an escape at i had to go, they're not going to be held responsible for this. okay. i well we have one more minute left. go ahead learn. well, yeah, i think it's just judges, right. but it's still a real town, and it is still, there is symbolic and it will, it is still very crushing to the morale of ukrainian troops to but i think more crushing on, i think more relevant is the timing of this nature statement about of ukraine. they so membership, i think it's really important that lensky is starting to get nervous. he started

get nervous about the timeline, about the number of also of military kid that can be sent to ukraine in the, in the time span. before we hit winter, you mentioned winter before the last winter was quite mild. if the next one isn't so mcg, things may will be very different. but let's not remember that zalinski was the one who reached out to china at the end of february and said, call me now that has to be spoken americans. there's no way the bible can sleep well at night with this scenario that the as a j, it's china that comes in and broke as a piece too because the credibility of need. so we'll just collapse people will be, will reduce, people will think of nato is nothing more than a talk shop by the arab league. or, you know, you're all in little something stupid if, if china comes in and landscapes that he wants to become it, you know, that changes the game completely. so i wonder whether this panicking from nature is really about zalinski is own position. and that's where we're at, we run out of time gentlemen,

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