operation which had to cost millions of dollars. and the fact that the u. s. government is taking control of an investigation of a haitian president that leads us to suspect that we could be looking at a situation very similar to the warren commission. that's her up on the hour and coming up. what truly motivates nato is this strategic interests, ideology or symbol hatred of russia? the discussion next on cross on ah ah ah

ah ah hello and welcome to cross talk. what are all things are considered? i'm peter lavelle. what truly motivates nato? is it strategic interests and geopolitical positioning? or is it ideology and a pathological hatred of russia? i will let the viewers decide, but one thing is certain. the alliance has put its very existence on the line. you can take that to the bank with cross sucking nato's war. i'm joined by my guess, daniel mic adams and lake jackson. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in orange county. we have craig plastic jar

duleigh. he is an election integrity expert and co hosts of a am wake up and the convo couch and in perth ontario, we crossed to randy hiller, he is a former elected representative of the ontario legislature of 15 years or a gentleman cross that rolls in effect on music and jumping in time you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, i, i'm sure you came across the, the visit of the, in the nato secretary general salter berg to camp 1st time since the conflict started and just banging in the drums were what ukraine will become a member of the alliance. but he seems to be oblivious what has happened in the last 14 months or so, or what brought this conflict about in the 1st place? because as i said in my introduction, i mean either you talk geo politics, you talk ideology, he prefers they always default to ideology, and that's why this conflict cannot be easily resolved. because one side is thinking about geopolitical interests and another is on a for lack of a better word. a holy war, daniel. you know, peter, i got

a little bit worried about stolen, berg the other day when he was there, ive and some i thought he might have been turned by putin because he was adopting prudence, talking points. if you heard him on the 20th, you said this war did not start last february, this war started in 2014 and nato has been arming and equipping ukraine since then . and training them for this war. literally what the president said or has been saying for quite some time. so i don't know if he's been turned or what's going on, but more seriously, you know, he's funny admitting the truth. this is that this is a holy war, that nato and for lack of better terms. i mean, it's members. the us, the neocons, the obama administration has wanted for years and years, and they've been preparing it for years and years. we know from a former chancellor, on the la merkel that they had no intention of following mince, they used it as a way to strengthen ukraine's army insult. a brick set then, and now they're stronger than they were in 2014. that was the intent. it was

a war of choice by nature not by russia. well, me, craig, is the, the, you know, we have such diverse information coming out right now. i don't know how much stop you put into these pentagon leaks. i really don't watch much into because i can't read them. why should i believe the media when they lie to you about just about everything here, but then you have a lot of reporting coming out of political, another outlet. i'm very dubious up here. but the by the administration seems to be hesitating on what a victory or what have who prevail and how ukraine will prevail. it's very, very murky. now this all could be part of the, the game plan of just confusing people here. but you have still the bird, you know, we, you credible, become a member of nato, and then you know, well, well, maybe the ukrainian offensive will not start for another few months. let me intentionally muddled. i don't know, craig, i don't know if it's necessarily intentionally muddled. i think there are some signs that we're really pointing towards and entered is conflict. those leaks to me

told me one thing specifically that is really single unit and that's the fact that the west has no competence in ukraine. mounting any type of push or effort moving forward. in fact, some of the money has been a little bit less that they're sending over there right now. install timber going over there. so moving nato. but the biggest thing for me, peter, was samantha powers in kiev signaling to corporations. hey that it's time to start getting in line and getting on in here. i think we're going to see an end to this conflict. going to see the west start pivoting towards taiwan. that's my personal opinion because i think they do want to usher in this kind of 4th industrial revolution and turnkey has been to one of those technocratic states. so everything we're seeing in my personal opinion is a signal just for that. yeah, well, that's very interesting. and you know, and well, of course we are having a fire sale in ukraine now selling off all of their assets, something the west told russia to do in the 1990 s. we all know what happened there . again, you know, just squeezing every, every possible value out of the country,

100 bike and get a good job in the early years after the qu, randy, me, i find these things, you know, line up and invest in in ukraine. i think this is fantasy. i think this is unicorn thinking because that pre prefer, supposes that there is going to be ukraine. this is, this is in question right now. okay. because if the west isn't interested in any kind of negotiations, why should the russians be randy? well listen to the really need whole proxy war against russia is fracturing we're seeing that it is altering and there's a lot of theatre going on right now for preemptive damage control. ringback in the whole ukraine war or special military operation. there's, you know, this is adage, fundamental. a war and economic war by spearheaded

by the states and with full support of natal. you know, there is, they need to keep their optics up. they need to keep their feeder up, they need to keep people motivated and mobilized. well, the, the proxy war falters. you know, we're not sure what it's going to look like nobody by then doesn't care of anybody loses money. in the ukraine, the americans already lost as many billions in there. so you don't, this is attitude an economic war to deprive russia. and i would say the bricks a lives of their economic security and retain american domination. and they're not willing to give up my brandy, the more they pursue this line, the more backfires on them. we look at the brakes now and purchase power parity. i

mean they, the brakes are not tripping. the g 7. ok. it's always negative returns here. daniel, let me go to daniel daniel, one of the things we smelled and bergs isn't bother me, is the escalation ladder, and they get what they want. nato is going to have to commit itself full fledge troops on the ground. ok, and we already have the crazy polls seem to be well interior for it. ok. i mean, i'm very worried about this escalation, because the, if nato is going to get what it wants, so i don't know what part of ukraine will become natal eventually, if ever, i mean, that's the next step up and that's what makes it very, very dangerous. daniel, i think history record the sort of pivotal turning point. strangely enough is when ursula underlined went to china. it's election that chinese, about what the rest of policy should be to have to be promptly. and they promptly put her in the civilian line at the airport and forced to, i don't know, go through a pat down or something. i mean,

that is the real. that is the reality. and that is a lesson for salt and bergan. whoever follows him. now let's not forget, he's soon to be gone. so all of his fears, rhetoric really is trying to add to his resume for his next job. but i think that's, that's the world. that's the new world saying to the old word, i. e, the unelected bureaucrats who think they actually are in charge of something. your time is over. and i think the other point, aside from ursula will be when stolen berg was in kiev. and he said to ukraine, your places in nato and hungarian prime minister victor or bon retreated. it's saying what? and the point the point being who would like to do salt and berg. this is an alliance of member countries. you're an employee of us. and i think that's a pivotal point, i think. so the book doesn't realize that or recognize that nader is splintering, the polls want to go for it, then go for if they have a fantasy about resurrecting some 16 since 1517th century kingdom go for

i think germany splitting the ease to turning away from the greens in a big way, you're seeing a lot of changes, i think happening is going to be a real wake up call. well, you know, great, i'm glad that daniel mentioned this here because it's more and more obvious with facebook, censoring seymour hersh partially so. i mean, this isn't a lead to project this, this conflict. it's always been in the lead project. you know, how many, how many demonstrations do you see where people are marching for ukraine? i mean, they might mark against russia. but you know, if this is an elite agenda that's in there, war and they're not feeling the consequences. the rest of us do, craig? yeah, i just, you know peter, i get it in but i just so yes, i feel that everything is changed since the coven 19 pandemic. and so many things have been ushered in. i mean, we all have to remember that despite all the differences between nato and, and the russians and chinese and the bricks, countries that all of them of agreed decide on digital digital passports at the, at the g 20. so there is some type of technocratic bond of sorts, and i do honestly believe that he was going to splinter off and split off. i think

the russians will accept some sort of ceasefire. they seem to be the most level headed here anyways, and they'll be fine taking on the dom boss and crimea, and then he will eventually become one of those months santo, nestle, digital countries. and that's why i think that so many things are changed that this isn't just the regular conventional warfare. this is something new because for me personally, i don't think the americans could be that stupid and just constantly throwing money at a situation and just just deal with any type of results that come up. i think there's an ultimate plan behind the scenes that a lot of us don't know about. we're waiting to see, and we're seeing a lot of signals of that. well, i don't know. they did it for over 20 years. an african hannon, stan ok. i mean, i look at, i look at that your point about this next stage, evolution stage. i technology, i think it is really important here. but randi, all these things are a gripped ok. i mean, that would be even, even been even reports that over $400000000.00 in diesel fuel that had been stolen

by this landscape regime. you know, it's randy, they did that and again, it's, and somebody figured it printed out and just export it to ukraine. go ahead, randy. well, this is the live you crazy. been non functional for some time. it's been corrupt for a long time. there's, you know, going back to your earlier point, you know, nato in the americans. we don't have the stomach for to put boots on the ground that we preferred out to do our wars economic, me or be americans do with. and they just don't have the stomach to put boots on the ground anymore. they're willing to bet to sacrifice ukraine's ukrainians. and if the polls want to jump in as well, that they're happy with that. but there is not going to be much last, i think, at the end of the day you crane it for all intents and purposes will be back to

which what really is a geographical area, something like the ukraine or that canadian prayer i had. i'd also got, i would point out and it's fastly becoming if it hasn't already become a failed state it without western funding, it is a failed se, gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's war in ukraine state with our ah, ah, [000:00:00;00] a

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welcome back to cross truck where all things are considered on peter lavelle trim and you were discussing nato's war with me. and let me go back to you in late jackson. one of the most important things that have happened during the course of this conflict is that the u. s. has been able to cow completely the europeans. ok, and your opinion, union, obviously, nato here. and it's really interesting, if you look at germany, germany is probably change the most to because, you know, we had new york, europe, and old durable germany joined the new europe. okay. under the auspices of the greens, it's really quite remarkable. and that is the fundamental change here is because even when this company comes to an end, be the nightmare that washington has always had about the special relationship between russia and germany. that's over because the energy relationship is over. daniel guys completely been severed. irreconcilable with

a couple of with that was that boat called, you know, in a couple of sailors went out and blew up the pipeline. i, it was the, the s s may know it was gilligan's island. yeah. that's where both guys, you know, i mean it's going to be a bad hangover for germans and for germany when they wake up and realize, you know, they blew it all in a slot machine in vegas, you know, the entire economy, the powerhouse of europe is gone and it's interesting to use the word new europe, you know what i think the new europe is being led by hungary to be quite honest. i love, i agree with you, but you're obviously playing and for very different reasons. but i think that is the new way of a new way that will but somehow prevail in europe. sorry to interrupt. keep going, daniel. no, no, you're actually right, because it's a loaded term. and i mean, it's just in the pure a sense, the new europe is a europe that comes to terms with its relationship with russia. now for who is historic reasons hungry is not pro russia. it's not as rabbit,

the anti russia as poland has been. but they've had some problems in history with russia, but they've had to learn how to deal with both sides in other rushes, rebuilding the nuclear power plant in hungry, very important for energy on grease buying oil. it's not signing on with russia. it's trying to find a way between the 2. i think that's the future and i think the next domino to fall may be france, but i think more likely may be germany. you're going to see the green's fall apart . you're going to see the coalition fall apart, not an expert on german politics. but just looking at the polls, there's going to be a shift and it has to come from there and think about, think about what a blow it's going to be to germany when they wake up and realize that they're essentially a 3rd world country. but you're absolutely right, and craig, you've already brought it up, you know, and i try not to force the issue, but i mean coven, and i'm not talking about the the, the virus i'm talking about state craft in controlling populations here. as i said in the 1st part of the program, this is an elite agenda. all of it was an elite agenda as well. okay. and i really

worry about coersion censorship. all of the things that we was it was a dry run with cove. it is now can be used for anything. it's being used for ukraine now, craig. yeah. and it's going to be used even more dramatically drastically. we should say, when the cdc's kick in the central bank, digital currencies. and it seems to be a big push for that. i mean, at the end of the day, that's what i thought this whole conflict was always about. i couldn't understand why, you know, the united states would, you know, push up a proxy war against the russians. and then also trying to sell this, the american public that ukraine could when that's at the end of the day, it's about regime change in russia. it was never about regime change in russia. i think we're starting to see what it was really about. and yes, these are things that are the, make us quite nervous because the control mechanism is there. and it seems that even though we've had this crazy proxy work, go on. a lot of these leads have been able to consolidate their power to major

corporate corporations. and technology grabbing a hold of everything. well, you know, there's that, but i think is part of it here. but randy, i think that if you look at the, the, the imbeciles that are running american foreign policies in their lackeys and in brussels here with their approaches. you know, this is our last chance. the brakes are coming up. china is coming up, africa ignoring it, is our big last chance. we'll finish off the roof skis and then take on the chinese . i think that that's really in better if we look at the crew that's running the shop. now, they were in the obama administration. remember the co of 2014 for them. this is just unfinished business. randy, i think do there is unfinished business. i think it is connected in with the, with corporate and the c. b c's. and there's a number of elements to it. i would say obviously the chickens in my chicken group got more brain power than the people. right. and she'll win in washington. absolutely. anybody could. she knew how to avoid dish shifter was,

had been any desire to avoid it. but, you know, the american for the american just is an economic battle, in my opinion. but i think for what i see here from the russians, this is also a, a social and cultural war. absolutely, absolutely. that it is not, you know, their way in wifi, they're still believed in extracting resources in actually building producing products using energy which is all ethical to, to what we are doing. and with what we're promoting in the westat and everything from family values, resource extraction. this is a cultural war for russia and a war for economic domination by the state. and then there's all these other elements thrown in there that are contributing factors such as cole with the

authoritarian measures adopted by the west and the progression to the digital ideas and the she bbc's it, randy, i am so glad you brought that up because i don't like a sound like a broken record, but i'm going to go to daniel and i'm going to sound like a broken record of it. this is a good cultural social conflict as well because russia presents itself as a unique model for its own people. it doesn't want to export and it just, you know, this is what we do here, but it is a, it, i'll turn it, you know, hungarian say, you know, as a conservative country, we have a lot in common with the we have shared values. but this is something that we have, you know, the work sters in the west. no, you can't. this is an aberration. we must destroy it. see the way the west and phrases, everything, frames, everything is everything is existential. it's be or not to be. well, the world got along for a long time, not thinking that way,

daniel. i think the russians very well recognized the moral implosion of the united states. you know, united states our values, at least those that are presented to us by the least seem to be our ability to castrate young boys and to raise you know, the next generation of unix and to also to create female shooters who believe their men to kill people, they see the moral implosion they see are media, they see of popular culture imploding in the u. s. i think they recognize in a way for themselves. and this is a, in ideological war, a war for survival. what, you know, i do say that the, the empire and the u. s. empire is failing and it will sail. but you know, this is when it's, and it's most dangerous space. peter, and i'm sure you've reported on this already, but the united states arrested for african americans do happen to be black national socialists because they simply said, they agreed with russia and they don't like us policy on ukraine. they pick them because they're low hanging fruit. they don't have a lot of money or power, but it's to warn the rest of us. that means you peter and myself, that anything you say anywhere, if it doesn't go along with

a by the ministrations position, you can face 10 years in prison. it's a chilling chilling thought, especially for me sitting here in the united states. yeah, well, you guys are heroes. ok. i don't have to worry about it physically, but every time i go on to the twitter, i get death threads, you know, but you know, if it's because of my views, oh, but that's ok. ok. it the, the double standards, the hypocrisy is so calling and very, very disturbing. craig, i mean, also, you know, this is that you'd like to bring up the technological part of it and there's a financial part of it here. i have to tell. 2 you and this really surprises people, but i hope the sanction stay forever because i want russia to get away from the toxic west. if it's the finance it's culture. get away from it. ok. because there's nothing good coming from there. they learned a lot of lessons in 2008, and because of that they've been able to fair pretty well since then. go ahead in orange county. well, i mean, i, i see why you would want to say that, you know,

but at the end of the day we keep on looking for the trap doors here. you know, at the, at the end of the day, whether it be russia, whether it be china, whether it be the west, everybody seems to be moving towards that technocratic kind of change where they want more control, you know, cbd caesar, a thing that's coming in the you know, the digital you want has been the introduce. so even though we can see this is a battle versus, you know, eurasia versus oceana. what is the trap door we're waiting on? we're talking about you on must go over here a lot, you know, on twitter, the way he seems to be trolling a lot of the fight in administration, people and all the culture word war, years of sorts. but where does he come from? you know, he was a defense contractor, you know? yeah, cause i is the darpa. so i think a lot of us are so even though we can see this kind of moving in a certain direction, we're starting to wonder what is behind those trap doors. and even though we might like the separation between the east and west, what is really waiting for us on the other side? that's the question. yeah. but yeah, you know, if you, we talk about globalization that's, you know,

over for our entire generation. that was a big tag word for everyone, but i think that the globalization is, we've understood it has come to an end. you're not going to be separate, go globalization, maybe with the same trap door. if you're saying i'm not going to disagree and you obviously know more about it than i do. but randy, there is a real separation going on. the, there's the attempt to isolate russia at the end of isolated the west that's we've learned from this. randy certainly but, but we all know we've known too early times that say sions can only harm one who's placing the sanctions, you know, now say to get away with that. when the american dollar was unquestionably the only common reserved currency. but russia, china bricks have put a nail in that coffin, pretty solidly. and you know, but what we can see, you know, when i was a young man,

we always who the good guys and who the bad guys were growing up. and what i would say is that, and we've seen this with the twitter files, how the american military has been infiltrating media. social media, la must has done a great job revealing this. the americans, the west, canada. ah, great britain, is a tremendous subtle. remove the dependence on russian energy. the war in ukraine is all. mistakes were made and i have been elected as a leader of my party, angel, prime minister in poland to fix them face the highest taxation. still this year alone, we have provided 2300000000 pounds of military support. and we will do the same again. next year. i need to because that's the way that's a really good, but it's

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