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hello and welcome the cross talk. what are all things are considered? i'm peter lavelle. what truly motivates nato, is it strategic interests and geopolitical positioning? or is it ideology and a pathological hatred of russia? i will let the viewers decide, but one thing is, certain. the alliance has put its very existence on the line. you can take that to the bank with cross sucking nato's war. i'm joined by my guest, daniel mc, adams and lake jackson. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in orange county. we have craig plus that jar duleigh. he is an election integrity expert and co hosts of a am wake up and the convo couch and in perth ontario, we crossed to randy hiller, he is a former elected representative of the ontario legislature of 15 years or

a gentleman cross stock rolls, in effect that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, i'm sure you came across the, the visit of the, in the nato secretary, general salter broke to camp 1st time since the conflict started. and just banging in the drums were what ukraine will become a member of the alliance. but he seems to be oblivious what has happened in the last 14 months or so, or what brought this conflict about in the 1st place? because as i said in my introduction, i mean either you talk geo politics, you talk ideology, he prefers they always default to ideology, and that's why this conflict cannot be easily resolved. because one side is thinking about geopolitical interests and another is on a for lack of a better word. a holy war, daniel. you know, peter, i got a little bit worried about stolen, berg the other day when he was there, ive and some i thought he might have been turned by permanent because he was adopting prudence talking points. if you heard him on the 20th, you said this war did not start last february, this war started in 2014,

and nato has been arming and equipping ukraine since then. and training them for this war. it's the, literally what the president said or has been saying for quite some time. so i don't know if he's been turned or what's going on, but more seriously. you know, he's funny, admitting the truth, this is a, this is a holy war that nato and for the lack of better terms. i mean, it's members. the us, the neocons, the obama administration has wanted for years and years. and they've been preparing it for years. and years, we know from a former chancellor, on the la merkel that they had no intention of following mince. they used it as a way to strengthen ukraine's army insulted for except that, and now they're stronger than they were in 2014. that was the intent. it was a war of choice by nature not by russia. well, me, craig, is the, the, you know, we have such diverse information coming out right now. i don't know how much stop you put into these pentagon leaks. i really don't watch much into because i can't

read them. why should i believe the media when they lie to you about just about everything here, but then you have a lot of reporting coming out of political, another outlet. i'm very dubious up here. but the by the administration seems to be hesitating on what a big 3 or what have who prevail and how ukraine will prevail. it's very, very murky. now this all could be part of the game plan of just confusing people here. but you have still the bird, you know, we, you credible, become a member of nato, and then you know, well, well, maybe the ukrainian offensive will not start for another few months. let me intentionally muddled. i don't know, craig, i don't know if it's necessarily intentionally muddled. i think there are some signs that are, were really pointing towards and entered is conflict. those leaks to me told me one thing specifically that is really signaling and, and that's the fact that the west has no competence in ukraine. mounting any type of push or effort moving forward. in fact, some of the money has been a little bit less that they're sending over there right now. install timber going

over there, c, milling, nato. but the biggest thing for me, peter, was samantha powers in kiev signaling to corporations. hey that it's time to start getting in line and getting on in here. i think we're going to see an end to this conflict. going to see the west start pivoting towards taiwan. that's my personal opinion because i think they do want to usher in this kind of 4th industrial revolution and turnkey has been to one of those technocratic states. so everything we're seeing in my personal opinion is a signal just for that. yeah, well, that's very interesting. i mean, you know, and well, of course we are having a fire sale in ukraine now selling off all of their acids, something the west told russia to do in the 1990 s. we all know what happened there again and you know, just squeezing every, every possible value out of the country, 100 bike and get a good job in the early years after the qu, randy, me, i find these things, you know, line up and invest in, in ukraine i think this is fantasy, i think this is unicorn thinking because that pre prefer, supposes that there is going to be ukraine. this is,

this is in question right now. okay. because if the west isn't interested in any kind of negotiations, why should the russians be, randy? well, this is the really need, whole proxy war against russia is fracturing we're seeing that it is altering. and there's a lot of theatre going on right now for preemptive damage control. ringback in the whole ukraine war or special military operation. there's, you know, this is adage, fundamental. a war and economic war by spearheaded by the states and with full support of natal. there is they need to keep their optics up. they need to keep their feeder up. they need to keep people motivated and mobilize well, the, the proxy war falters. you know,

we're not sure what, it's gonna look like nobody by the doesn't care of anybody loses money. in the ukraine, the americans already lost as many billions in there. so you don't, this is attitude an economic war to deprive russia. and i would say that bricks a lines of their economic security and retain american domination. and they're not willing to give up brandy. the more they pursue this line, the more backfires on them. we look at the brakes now and purchase power parity. i mean they, the brakes are not tripping. the g 7. ok? it's always negative returns here. daniel, i got to daniel daniel, one of the things we smells and bergs isn't bother me, is the escalation ladder and they get what they want. nato is going to have to

commit itself full fledge troops on the ground. ok. and we already have the crazy polls seem to be well interior for edge. ok. i mean, i'm very worried about this escalation, because the, if nato is going to get what it wants, so i don't know what part of ukraine will become natal eventually. if ever, i mean, that's the next step up and that's what makes it very, very dangerous. daniel, i think history record the sort of pivotal turning point. strangely enough is when ursula underlined went to china. it's election that chinese, about what the russian policy should be to have to be promptly. and they promptly put her in the civilian line at the airport and forced to, i don't know, go through a pat down or something. i mean, that is the real. that is the reality and that is a lesson for salt and bergen, whoever follows him. now let's not forget he's soon to be gone. so all of his fears, rhetoric really is trying to add to his resume for his next job. but i think that's, that's the world. that's the new world saying to the old word, i. e,

the unelected bureaucrats who think they actually are in charge of something. your time is over. and i think the other point aside from ursula will be when sultan burg was in kiev, and he said to ukraine, your places in nato and hungarian prime minister victor or bon retreated. it's saying what the point, the point being who would like, did you start in berg, this is that alliance of member countries. you're an employee of us. and i think that's a pivotal point, i think. so the book doesn't realize that or recognize that nader is splintering, the polls when it go for it, then go for if they have a fantasy about resurrecting from 16 since 1517th century kingdom go for i think germany splitting the ease to turning away from the greens in a big way, you're seeing a lot of changes, i think happening is going to be a real wake up call. well, you know, great, i'm glad that daniel mentioned this here because it's more and more obvious with facebook, censoring seymour hersh partially so. i mean, this is

a lead to project this. this conflict has always been in the lead project. you know, how many, how many demonstrations do you see where people are marching for ukraine? i mean, they might mark against russia. but you know, if this is an elite agenda that is there a war and they're not feeling the consequences the rest of us do, craig? yeah, i just, you know peter, i get it in. but i just think it's i feel that everything has changed since the coven 19 pandemic. and so many things have been ushered in. i mean, that all them of agreed to sign onto don't know about. we're waiting to see and which there's, you know, going back to earlier point, you know, nato in the americans. we don't have the stomach for to put boots on the ground, we preferred out to do our wars economic me or be americans do it. and they just don't have the stomach to put boots on the ground anymore. they're willing to sacrifice ukraine's ukrainians. and if the polls want to jump in as well,

that they're happy with that. but there is not going to be much last, i think, at the end of the day, ukraine, if for all intents and purposes will be back to which, what really is a geographical area, something like the ukraine or that canadian prayer. and i also got, i would point out it's fastly becoming if it hasn't already become a failed state it without western funding, it is a failed. say gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's war in ukraine state with our ah ah ah, ah

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a marble cheese dunaway in the early ninety's hungry was a country with a worst view of russia due to a storage disagreements left over from the soviet union in the white one and some of them, i don't know what i see if you must company in the come here to political mars and otherwise but and i c k, and i did it at the political though, but in the news. welcome across stock. were all things are considered on peter lavelle trim and you were discussing nato's war. who's

danny, let me go back to you in late jackson. one of the most important things that have happened during the course of this complex is that the u. s. has been able to cow completely the europeans. ok. your opinion, union, obviously, nato here. and it's really interesting if you look at germany, germany is probably change the most to because, you know, we had new york, europe, and old europe. germany joined the new europe. ok, under the auspices of the greens, it's really quite remarkable. and that is the fundamental change here is because even when this company comes to an end, be the nightmare that washington has always had about the special relationship between russia and germany. that's over because the energy relationship is over. daniel. yes, completely been severed. i had reconcile ably with a couple of with that. what was that boat called, you know, in a couple of the sailors went on, blew up the a, the pipeline. oh yeah. it was the, it was the ss minnow it was gilligan's island. yeah. that's those guys. and yeah,

yeah, i mean it's going to be a bad handle for germans and for germany, when they wake up and realize, you know, they blew it all in a slot machine. in vegas, you know, the entire economy, the powerhouse of europe is gone. and it's interesting to use the word new europe. you know what, i think the new europe is being led by hungary to be quite honest. i, with a guy that i loved. i go again, i agree with you, but you're obviously saying and for very different reasons. but i think that is the new way of a new way that will well, but somehow prevail in europe. sorry to interrupt. keep going, daniel. no, no, you're absolutely right, because it's a loaded term, and i mean it just, in the purest sense, the new europe is a europe that comes to terms with its relationship with russia. now for who is historic reasons hungry is not pro russia. it's not as rabbit, the anti russia as poland has been, but they've had some problems in history with russia, but they've had to learn how to deal with both sides. in other rushes, rebuilding the nuclear power plant in hungry,

very important for energy andries buying oil. it's not signing on with russia. it's trying to fund away between the 2. i think that's the future and i think the next domino to fall may be france, but i think more likely may be germany. you're going to see the green's fall apart . you're gonna see the coalition fall apart. i'm not an expert on german politics, but just looking at the polls, there's going to be a shift, and it has to come from there. think about, think about what a blow it's going to be. the germany when they wake up and realize that they're essentially a 3rd world country yet. but you're absolutely right. and craig, you've already brought it up, you know, and i, i tried not to force the issue, but i mean, i coven, and i'm not talking about the, the, the virus i'm talking about, state craft in, in controlling populations here. as i said in the 1st part of the program, this is an elite agenda made, wasn't lead to agenda as well. ok, and i really worry about coersion censorship. all of these things that we was, it was a dry run with cobit is now. can be used for anything,

it's being used for ukraine now, greg. yeah. and it's going to be used even more dramatically drastically. we should say, when the cbc kick and the central bank digital currencies, and it seems to be a big push for that. i mean, at the end of the day, that's what i thought this whole conflict was always about. i couldn't understand why, you know, the united states would, you know, push up a proxy war against the russians. and then also trying to sell this, the american public that ukraine could when that's at the end of the day, it's about regime change in russia. it was never about regime change in russia. i think we're starting to see what it was really about. and yes, these are things that are the, make us quite nervous because the control mechanism is there. and it seems that even though we've had this crazy proxy war, go on, a lot of these leads have been able to consolidate their power to major corporate corporations. and technology grabbing a hold of everything. well, you know, there's that, but i think is part of it here. but randy, i think that if you look at the, the, the imbeciles that are running american foreign policies and their lackeys,

and in brussels here we did their approaches. you know, this is our last chance. the bricks are coming up. time is coming up, africa, ignoring our big last stance and finish off the roof. skis didn't take on the chinese. i think that that's really embedded there. if you look at the crew that's running the shop now, they were in the obama administration. remember the co of 2014 for them. this is just unfinished business. randy, i think do there is unfinished business. i think it is connected in with the, with corporate and the c. b c's. and there's a number of elements to it. i would say obviously the chickens in my chicken group got more brain power than the people running show when in washington. absolutely. anybody could gina how to avoid this if there was, had been any desire to avoid it. but, you know, the american for the american just is an economic battle, in my opinion. but i think for what i see here from the russians, this is also a,

a social and cultural war. absolutely, absolutely. that it is not, you know, their way in life. they are still believed in extracting resources in actually building producing products using energy, which is all identical to what we are doing and what we're promoting in the west and everything from family values, resource extraction. this is a cultural war for russia and a war for economic domination by the state. and then there's all these other elements drawn in there that are contributing factors such as co with the authoritarian measures adopted by the west and the progression to the digital ideas and the she b, b,

c at randy. i am so glad you brought that up because i don't like to sound like a broken record, but i'm going to go to daniel and i'm going to sound like a broken record of it. this is a cultural, social conflict as well because russia presents itself as a unique model for its own people. it doesn't want to export it. it just, you know, this is what we do here, but it is a, it alternative, you know, a hungarian say, you know, as a conservative country, we have a lot in common with the we have shared values. but this is something that we have, you know, the woke sters in the west. no, you can't. this is an aberration. we must destroy it. see the way the west in phrases, everything, frames, everything is everything is existential. it's be or not to be what the world got along for a long time. not thinking that way, daniel. i think the russians very well recognize the moral implosion of the united states. you know, united states our values, at least those that are presented to us by the least seem to be our ability to castrate young boys and to raise you know,

the next generation of unix and to also to create female shooters who believe their men to kill people, they see the moral implosion they see are media, they see of popular culture imploding in the u. s. i think they recognize in a way for themselves. and this is a, in ideological war, a war for survival. but, you know, i do say that the, the empire, the u. s. empire is failing and it will fail. but you know, this is one of the most dangerous space, peter, and i'm sure you've reported on this already, but the united states arrested for african americans who happened to be black nationalist socialists because they simply said, they agreed with russia and they don't like us policy on ukraine, they picked them because they're low hanging fruit. they don't have a lot of money or power, but it's to warn the rest of us. that means you peter and myself, that anything you say anywhere, if it doesn't go along with the body and ministrations position, you can face 10 years in prison. it's a shilling chilling thought, especially for me sitting here in the united states. yeah, well, you guys are heroes. okay, i don't have to worry about it physically,

but anytime i go onto the twitter, i get death threads, you know, but you know, if it's because of my views, oh, but that's ok. ok. it the, the double standards, the hypocrisy is so calling and very, very disturbing. craig, i mean, also, you know, this is that you'd like to bring up the technological part of it and there's a financial part of it here. i have to. 2 tell you this really surprises people, but i hope the sanction stay forever because i want russia to get away from the toxic west. if it's a finance, it's culture. just get away from it. ok. because there's nothing good coming from there. they learned a lot of lessons in 2008 and because of that they've been able to fair pretty well since then. go ahead in orange county. well, i mean, i, i see why you would want to say that, you know, but at the end of the day we keep on looking for the trap doors here. you know, at the, at the end of the day, whether it be russia, whether it be china, whether it be the west, everybody seems to be moving towards that technocratic kind of change where they

want more control, you know, cbd caesar thing that's coming in the, you know the digital you want has been yeah, introduce. so even though we can see this is a battle versus, you know, eurasia versus oceana. what is the trap door we're waiting on? we're talking about isla must go over here a lot, you know, on twitter. the way he seems to be trolling a lot of the fight an administration people and all the whole toward a war years of sorts. but where did he come from? you know, he was a defense contractor, you know he, i close eyes the darpa. so i think a lot of us are so even though we can see this kind of moving in a certain direction, we're starting to wonder what is behind those trap doors. and even though we might like the separation between the east and the west, what is really waiting for us on the other side? that's the question. yeah. but yeah, you know, yeah, you, we, we talk about globalization that's seen over for our entire generation. that was a big on tag board for everyone, but i think the globalization, as we've understood it, is come to an annual. now we're going to be separate globalization, maybe with the same trap door, is that you're saying,

i'm not going to disagree. and you obviously know more about it than i do. but randy, there is a real separation going on. the there's the attempt to isolate russia and at the end is isolated the west that's we've learned from this. randy certainly, but we all know we've known since early times it sanctions can only harm the one who's placing the sanctions at staff. you know, now that she could get away with that when the american dollar was unquestionably the only common reserved currency. but with russia, china bricks have put a nail in that coffin, pretty solidly. and you know, but what we can see, you know, when i was it a young man, we always knew who the good guys and who the bad guys were growing up. and what i would say is that and we've seen this with the twitter files, how the american military has been infiltrating media. social media. eli mosque has

done a great job revealing this, the americans, the west, canada. we have continued to portray russia as the old ussr, but we have adopted the practices and policies of the former ussr and, and now still think that we are the good guys. we're, we're involved heavily in censorship. we're waging both economic and military war against others. we are destabilizing countries around the world, and it's not going to end well for and that you don't. so you might say, i think russia might want to allow the sanctions to continue and keep away from the west for in till we figure out what we want to be less. i think the in, in this case it will be mutual. it could be generations gentlemen, generation, that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guessing lake jackson,

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