the hello and welcome to cross talk. what are all things are considered on peter lavelle? what truly motivates nato? is it strategic interests and geopolitical positioning? or is it id ology and a pathological hatred of russia? i will let the viewers decide, but one thing is certain, the alliance has put its very existence on the line. you can take that to the bank, the crossing nato's war, i'm joined by my guess, daniel mcadams, in lake jackson. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in orange county. we have craig spoke, john duleigh, he is an election integrity expert and co host of a wakeup and the combo couch and in perth, ontario, we cross randy hiller, he is

a former elected representative of the ontario legislature of 15 years. he tell me cross talk roles, and in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, i'm sure you came across the, the visit of the nato secretary general sultan burg to camp 1st time since the complex started and just banging the drum who ukraine will become a member of the alliance. but he seems to be oblivious what has happened in the last 14 months or so, or what brought this conflict about in the 1st place? because as i said in my introduction, i mean either you talk geo politics or you talk id, ology, he prefers the always default to ideology. and that's why this conflict cannot be easily resolved. because one side is thinking about geopolitical interests and another is on a, for lack of a better word. holy war, daniel. you know, peter, i got a little bit worried about stolen berg, the other day when he was there, i've been some i thought he might have been turned by putting because he was adopting hooton's talking points. if you heard him on the 20th,

you said this war did not start last february, this war started in 2014, and nato has been arming and equipping ukraine since then and training them for this war. it's literally what the president said or has been saying for quite some time. so i don't know if he's been turned or what's going on, but more seriously, you know, he's fun. the admitting the truth, this is a, this is a holy war that nato and for lack of better terms. i mean, it's members the us, the neocons, the obama administration has wanted for years and years. nathan, preparing it for years and years. we know from a former chancellor, on the la merkel that they had no intention of following minced, they used it as a way to strengthen ukraine's army insult him for except that and now they are stronger than they were in 2014. that was the intent. it was a war of choice by nature, not by russia. craig into the, you know, we have such diverse information coming out right now. i don't know how much stop

you put into these pentagon leaks. i really don't watch much into because i can't read them. why should i believe the media when they lie to you about just about everything here, but then you have a lot of reporting coming out of political, another outlet. i'm very dubious up here. but the by the administration seems to be hesitating on what a victory or what, who verbatim, and how ukraine will prevail. it's very, very murky. now this all could be part of the, the game plan of just confusing people here. but you have still the bird, you know, we, you credible, become a member of nato, and then you know, well, well, maybe the ukrainian offensive will not start for another few months. i, me, i, it's intentionally muddled. i don't know, craig, i don't know if it's necessarily intentionally muddled. i think there are some signs that are, were really pointing towards and entered is conflict. those leaks to me told me one thing specifically that is really signaling and, and that's the fact that the west has no competence in ukraine. mounting any type of push or effort moving forward. in fact, some of the money has been

a little bit less that they're sending over there right now. install timber going over there. so moving nato. but the biggest thing for me, peter, was samantha powers in kiev signaling corporations. hey that it's time to start getting in line and getting on in here. i think we're going to see an end to this conflict. going to see the west start pivoting towards taiwan. that's my personal opinion because i think they do want to usher in this kind of 4th industrial revolution and turnkey. i've been to one of those technocratic states. so everything we're seeing in my personal opinion. yeah. well, if that's interesting, i mean, you know, and well, of course we are having a fire sale in ukraine now selling off all of their assets, something the west told russia to do in the 1990. we all know what happened there. again, you know, just squeezing every, every possible value out of the country hunter bite and did a good job in the early years after the qu, randy, me, when i find these things you know, line up and invest in in ukraine. i think this is fantasy. i think this is unicorn

thinking because that pre prefer, supposes that there is going to be ukraine. this is, this is in question right now. okay. because if the west isn't interested in any kind of negotiations, why should the russians be randy? well listen to the really need whole proxy war against russia is fracturing we're seeing that it is altering and there's a lot of theatre going on right now for preemptive damage control. ringback in the whole ukraine war, or especially middle terry operation, there's on the mental, a war and economic war by fetal spearheaded by the shapes and with so supportive needle there is they need to keep their optics up. they need to keep their theater up. they need to keep people motivated and mobilize well, the,

the proxy war falters. you know, we're not sure what it's going to look like nobody by the doesn't care of anybody loses money. in the ukraine, the americans already lost as many billions in there. so you don't, this is attitude an economic war to deprive russia and i would say the bricks aligns of their economic security and retain american domination. and they're not willing to give it up. but brandy, the more they pursue this line, the more it backfires on them, we look at the brakes now and purchase power parity. i mean they, the brakes are not tripping. the g 7. ok. but it's always negative returns here. daniel, i'm let me go to daniel daniel, one of the things with self and bergs isn't bothering me, is the escalation,

bladder, and they get what they want. nato is going to have to commit itself full fledge troops on the ground. ok. and we already have the crazy polls seem to be well in caring for edge. ok, i mean, i'm very worried about this as relation, because the, if nato is going to get what it wants, and i don't know what part of ukraine will become natal eventually if ever, i mean, that's the next step up and that's what makes it very, very dangerous, daniel, i think history record the sort of pivotal turning point. strangely enough, is when ursula of underlying went to china election, the chinese, about what the rest of policy should be. absolutely. promptly. and they promptly put her in the civilian line at the airport and forced to i don't know, go through a pat down or something. i mean that is the real. that is the reality. and that is a lesson for salt and bergen, whoever follows him. now let's not forget, he's soon to be gone. so all of his fears, rhetoric really is trying to add to his resume for his next job. but i think that's, that's the world. that's the new world saying to the old word, i. e,

the unelected bureaucrats who think they actually are in charge of something. your time is over. and i think the other point aside from ursula will be when suttonberg was in kiev, and he said to ukraine, your places in nato and hungarian prime minister victor or bon retreated, it saying what? but off i think the russians will conventional warfare. this is something new, any years in afghanistan. now look at your point about this next stage, evolution stage. i technology, all these things are a griffin. okay. i mean that with the reports that over $400000000.00 in diesel fuel, they had, you know, it's brandy. they did that. and again, if somebody figured to print out and go ahead, randy, well, this is crazy. can all, for some time it's been corrupt for, you know, going back your earlier point, you know, need, we don't have the stomach for to put it out to do our more

economic me or it will have this something to put boots on the ground anymore. they're willing to craze graham's and if the polls want to jump in as well, but there is not going to be much left crane. if for all intents and purposes will be back in geographical areas, something like value grain or that i would point out it's fastly be coming. if it hasn't already become a thing, it is a failed se, and i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break and a nato's war in ukraine state with our team. ah, ah, hungary has been a member of the european union during the 1st post soviet wave of nato's number. we still is because of this thing may lagossi. like, by a conscience mean,

i mean if so we did financial zappa did do my answer would be sure that im, yeah, still mazda beats boshoway mug woochie struggling with the worst view of russia do taste oracle disagreements left him a younger and wedding is someone not yours, no matter what i cynical handle political more than as what i see is great ideas with who welcome back to cross sac. were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing that. what are the most important things that have happened during the course of this kind of cow completely, the europeans. okay. the european union, really interesting. if you look at germany, germany is probably change the most to because old europe will, germany's joined the new europe. okay. under the auspices remarkable. and that is

the fundamental change here is because comes to an end, the nightmare that washing is always in russia in germany, that's over because the energy relationship is oh, yes, completely been severed. or irreconcilable boat called, you know, in a couple of the sailors went out and blew up the, the pipe assess minnow it was gilligan's island. yeah, that's those guys. yeah. you go for germans and for germany, when they wake up and realizing in vegas, you know, the entire and the powerhouse of europe is gone. new europe, you know what? i think the new europe is being led by. how does i love? yeah, i agree with you. but yet you're opting that is the new way of a new way that will will but somehow going, daniel? no, no, you're absolutely right because it's a loaded term. and i mean, it's just in the pure sense, the new europe is a europe that comes to terms with its relationship with russia. now for who is historic reasons hungry is not pro russia. it's not as rabbit, the anti russia as poland has been. but they've had some problems in history with

russia, but they've had to learn how to deal with both sides and other russia is rebuilding the nuclear power plant in greece buying oil. it's not signing on with russia. it's trying to, that's the future. and i think the next domino to fall may be france, but i see the greens fall apart. you're going to see the coalition fall apart. not an expert on german. going to be a shift, and it has to come from there. think about, think about what a blow is, that they're essentially a 3rd world country. but you're app, you know, and i try not to force the issue, but i mean covey the, the virus i'm talking about state craft in, as i said in the 1st part of the program, this is an elite agenda. koby worthy. and i really worry about coersion censorship . all of these things that we, there was, it was a dry run. anything it's being used for ukraine now, craig. yeah. and it's going to magically drastically. we should say, when the cdc kick in a big push for that, i mean, at the end of the day, that's what i thought, this whole stand. why, you know, the united states would,

you know, against the russians. and then also trying to sell this, the american public that ukraine could win. that's at the end of the day, it's about regime change in russia. it was never about regime change in russia. i think we're starting to see what it was. the make us quite nervous because the control mechanism is there and it seems that even though on a lot of these leads have been able to consolidate their power to major corporate corporations and technology grabbing a hold of everything. well, you know, there's that, but i think is part of it here. but randy, i think that you need to look at the, the, the imbeciles that are running american foreign policies in their lackeys and in brussels. here in the us channel. the brakes are coming up, time is coming up, africa is ignoring entities and then take on the chinese. i think that that's really embedded there. you know, they were in the obama administration. remember the co of 2014, but them, this is just unfinished business. randy, i think do there is unfinished business. i think it is connected in with cove and

to cbd season and there's a number of elements to it. i would say, obviously the tower than the people running the show in washington as anybody could have seen how to avoid this shifter to avoid it. but, you know, the american for the american just is an economic battle, in my opinion. but i think for what i see here from the russians, this is also a, a social and cultural war. absolutely, absolutely. that is not, you know, still believed in extracting resources is seen. products are using energy ethical to, to what we are doing, and with what we're promoting in the, when the values resource extraction, this is a russia and a war for act of the state. and then there's all these other elements drawn in there that such as coal,

with the authoritarian measures adopted by the west and the progression to the digital ideas and the she b, b, c. so glad you brought that up because i don't like to sound like a broken record, but i'm going to go to daniel and i'm going to sound like a broken record of it. this is a cultural, social conflict as well because russia presents itself its own people. it doesn't want to export. and it just, you know, this is what we do, you know, a hungarian say, you know, that's a conservative country. we have a lot i'll use. but this is something that we have, you know, the woke stairs and the web ration we much destroy it, see the way the west and phrases, everything, frames, everything is everything is existential. it's be or not to be what the world got along for a long time. not thinking that way, daniel, i think the russians very well recognize the moral implosion of the united states. you know, united states, our values, at least those that are presented to us by the least seem to be and to raise, you know, the next generation of unix and to also to create and to kill people. they see the

moral implosion they see are media. they see. i think they recognize in a way for themselves. this is a bible. but you know, i do say that the, the empire, the us empire is failing and it will fail. but you know, this is one of the most dangerous space, peter, and i'm sure you've reported on this already, but the united states arrested for african americans who happened to be black nationalist socialists because they simply said, they agreed with russia and they don't like they picked them because they're low hanging fruit, they don't have a lot of money or power, but it's to warn gulf that anything you say anywhere if it doesn't go along with 10 years in prison, it's a chilling chilling thought. especially for me sitting you guys are heroes. ok, i don't have to worry about it physically, but anytime i go on to the twitter, i get death threads, you know, but you know, if it's because of my views, oh, but that's ok. ok. it the, the double standards, the hypocrisy is so calling and very, very disturbing. craig, i mean, also,

you know, this is that you'd like to bring up the technological part of it and there's no units really surprises people. but i hope the sanction stay get away from the toxic with if it's the finance, it's culture because there's nothing good coming from there. they learned a lot of lessons and through the been able to fair pretty well since then. go ahead in orange county. well, i mean i, i can see why you would want to say that, you know, but at the end of the day we keep on looking for the trap doors here. you know, at the, at the end of the day, whether it be russia, whether it be china, whether it be the west, that technocratic kind of change where they want more control, you know, cbd caesar, a thing that's coming in the, you know, the digital you want has been the introduce, so you eurasia versus oceana. what is the moscow over here? a lot, you know, on twitter, the way he used to be trolling a lot of the fight administration people and all the whole to work. where does he come from? you know, he was a defense contractor, he bought a bus or so even though we can see this kind of moving in a certain direction,

we're starting was and even though we might like the separation between the east and the west of watch. yeah. but yeah, you know, yeah, you, we, we talk about globalization that was a big a tag word for everyone. but i think that into an annual, now we're going to be separate, go globalization, maybe with the same trap doors that you're saying, i'm not going to disagree and you obviously know more about it than i do. shouldn't going on the, there's the attempt to isolate russia it's, we've learned from this randy certainly, but we all know we've known since the early times that sanctions came on who's placing the sanctions that you know now the shade should get the american dollar was, questionably the reserve currency, but with russia, china bricks, coughing, pretty solidly. and, you know, but what we can see, you know, when i was in a young man we, our guys were growing up. and what i would say is, i've seen this with the twitter files,

how the american military has been infiltrating media social media in this. the americans to west kanda k, u to portray russia as the old ussr. but we all of these of the former ussr and are the good guys we're, we're involved heavily in censorship, economic and military war against others. we around the world and it's not gonna end well for us. you know, so you might say, i think worship might want to a lot away from the west for in till we figure out what think in this case it will be mutual. it could be generations gentlemen, generation. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess and like jackson, on our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, see you next. remember, frustrated with

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