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called direct impact, but again, you probably don't want to watch it because it might just change dwayne thing ah ah, hello and welcome to cross stock. what are all things considered on peter lavelle? what truly motivates nato? is it strategic interests and geopolitical positioning, or is it ideology and a pathological hatred of russia? i will let the viewers decide, but one thing is, certain, the alliance has put its very existence on the line. you can take that to the bank . with

cross hocking nato's war, i'm joined by my guest, daniel mc, adams in lake jackson. he is the executive director of the ron paul institute for peace and prosperity in orange county. we have craig pacific jour duleigh. he is an election integrity expert and co host of a am wake up and the convo couch and in perth ontario, we cross to randy hiller, he is a former elected representative of the ontario legislature of 15 years or tell him in cross scrolls in effect that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, daniel, i, i'm sure you came across the, the visit of the, in the nato secretary general salton berg to camp 1st time since the conflict started and just banging the drums, were what ukraine will become a member of the alliance. but he seems to be oblivious what has happened in the last 14 months or so, or what brought this conflict about in the 1st place? because as i said in my introduction, i mean either you talk geo politics, you talk ideology, he prefers they always default to ideology, and that's why this conflict cannot be easily resolved. because one side is

thinking about geopolitical interests and another is on a for lack of a better word. a holy war, daniel. no, peter, i got a little bit worried about stolen, berg, the other day when he was there, ive been some. i thought he might have been turned by proof because he was adopting prudence talking points. if you heard him on the 20th, you said this war did not start last february. this war started in 2014, and nato has been arming and equipping ukraine since then. and training them for this war, literally what the president said or has been staying for quite some time. so i don't know if he's been turned or what's going on, but more seriously. you know, he's fun. the admitting the truth, this is a, this is a holy war that nato and for lack of better terms. i mean, it's members. the us, the neocons, the obama administration has wanted for years and years. and they've been preparing it for years and years. we know from a former chancellor, on the la merkel that they had no intention of following minced, they used it as

a way to strengthen ukraine's army insulted for except that and now they're stronger than they were in 2014. that was the intent. it was a war of choice by nature, not by russia. well, me, craig, into the, you know, we have such diverse information coming out right now. i don't know how much stop you put into these pentagon leaks. i really don't put much into because i can't read them. why should i believe the media when they lie to you about just about everything here, but then you have a lot of reporting coming out of political, another outlet. i'm very dubious up here, but the by the administration seems to be hesitating on what a victory or what, who prevail and how ukraine will prevail. it's very, very murky. now this all could be part of the, the game plan of just confusing people here. but you have still the bird, you know, we are, you crew will become a member of nato, and then you know, well, well, maybe the ukrainian offensive will not start for another few months. i, me, i intentionally muddled. i don't know, craig,

i don't know if it's necessarily intentionally muddled. i think there are some signs that we're really pointing towards and entered is conflict. those leaks to me told me one thing specifically that is really single unit and that's the fact that the west has no competence in ukraine. mounting any type of push or effort moving forward. in fact, some of the money has been a little bit less that they're sending over there right now. install timber going over their signaling nato. but the biggest thing for me, peter, was samantha powers in kiev signaling to cooperation. hey that it's time to start getting in line and getting on in here. i think we're going to see an end to this conflict. going to see the west start pivoting towards taiwan. that's my personal opinion because i think they do want to usher in this kind of 4th industrial revolution and turnkey has been to one of those technocratic states. so everything we're seeing in my personal opinion is a signal just for that. yeah, well, that's very interesting. i mean, you know, and well, of course we are having a fire sale in ukraine now selling off all of their assets, something the west told russia to do in the 1990 s. we all know what happened there

. again, you know, just squeezing every, every possible value out of the country hunter, bike and get a good job in the early years after the qu, randy, me, i find these things, you know, line up and invest in in ukraine. i think this is fantasy. i think this is unicorn thinking because that pre prefer, supposes that there is going to be ukraine. this is, this is in question right now. okay. because if the west isn't interested in any kind of negotiations, why should the russians be randy? well listen to the really need whole proxy war against russia is fracturing we're seeing that it is altering and there's a lot of theatre going on right now for preemptive damage control. ringback in the whole ukraine war or especially middle terry operation, there's, you know, this is adage,

fundamental. a war and economic war by spearheaded by the states and with so supportive needle there is. they need to keep their optics up. they need to keep their theater up. they need to keep people motivated and mobilized. well, the, the proxy war falters. you know, we're not sure what it's going to look like nobody by the doesn't care of anybody loses money. in the ukraine, the americans already lost as many billions in there. so you don't, this is attitude an economic war to deprive russia and i would say the bricks aligns of their economic security and retain american domination. and they're not willing to give it up brandy. the more they

pursue this line, the more backfires on them. we look at the brakes now and purchase power parity. i mean they, the brakes are not tripping. the g 7. ok? it's always negative returns here. daniel, i'm let me go to daniel daniel, one of the things with self and bergs isn't bothering me, is the escalation, bladder, and they get what they want. nato is going to have to commit itself full fledge troops on the ground. ok. and we already have the crazy polls seem to be well interior for it. ok. i mean, i'm very worried about this escalation, because the, if nato is going to get what it wants, and i don't know what part of ukraine will become natal eventually. if ever, i mean, that's the next step up and that's what makes it very, very dangerous. daniel, i think history record the sort of pivotal turning point. strangely enough is when ursula underlined went to china. it's election that chinese, about what the russian policy should be. absolutely,

promptly and they promptly put her in the civilian line at the airport and forced to i don't know, go through a pat down or something. i mean that is the real. that is the reality. and that is a lesson for sold in bergen. whoever follows him, now, let's not forget, he's soon to be gone. so all of his fears, rhetoric really is trying to add to his resume for his next job. but i think that's, that's the world. that's the new world saying to the old world i. e, the unelected bureaucrats who think they actually are in charge of something. your time is over. and i think the other point aside from ursula will be when stolen berg was in key. and he said to ukraine, your places in nato and hungarian prime minister victor or bon retreated. it's saying what the point, the point being who would like, did you start and virg? this is an alliance of member countries. you're an employee of us. and i think that's a pivot point, i think sort of doesn't realize that or recognize that nader is splintering, the polls when it go for it, then go for if they have

a fantasy about resurrecting from 16 since 1517th century kingdom go for i think germany is splitting the ease to turning away from the greens in a big way. you're seeing a lot of changes, i think happening is going to be a real wake up call. well, you know, great, i'm glad that daniel mentioned this here because it's more and more obvious with, with facebook censoring seymour hersh partially. so, i mean, this isn't a lead to project this. this conflict has always been in the lead project. you know, how many, how many demonstrations you see where people are marching for ukraine. i mean, they might mark against russia, but you know, this is an elite agenda, but some there war and they're not feeling the consequences. the rest of us do, craig? yeah, i just, you know, peter, i get it in, but i just so yes, i feel that everything has changed since the coven 19 pandemic. and so many things have been usher day. and i mean, we all have to remember that despite all the differences between nato and, and the russians and chinese and the bricks, countries that all of them of agreed to sign on to general digital passports at the,

at the g 20. so there is some type of technocratic bond of sorts, and i do honestly believe that he was going to splinter off and split off. i think the russians will accept some sort of ceasefire. they seem to be the most level headed here anyways, and they'll be fine taking on the dom boss and crimea, and then he will eventually become one of those months santo, nestle, digital countries. and that's why i think that so many things are changed that this isn't just the regular conventional warfare. this is something new because for me personally, i don't think the americans could be that stupid and just constantly throw money situation and just just deal with any type of results that come up. i think there's an ultimate plan behind the scenes that a lot of us don't know about. we're waiting to see, and we're seeing a lot of signals of that. well, i don't know. they did it for over 20 years, and after hannon stan ok, i mean, i look at, i look at that, your point about this next stage evolution stage. i technology i think is really important here. but randi, all these things are a griffin. ok. i mean that with the, even,

there's even been even reports that over $400000000.00 in diesel fuel that had been stolen by this lensky regime. you know, it's randy, they did that. and again, if and somebody figured this product out and just export it to ukraine, go ahead. randy. well, this is evil. you crazy. been not functional for some time. it's been corrupt for a long time. there's, you know, going back to earlier point, you know, natal in the americans. we don't have the stomach for to put boots on the ground, we preferred out to do our wars economic me or be americans do with that. and they just don't have the stomach to put boots on the ground anymore. they're willing to sacrifice you grades, ukrainians, and if the polls want to jump in as well, that they're happy with that. but there is not going to be much less. i think

at the end of the day, ukraine, if for all intents and purposes will be back to which, what really is a geographical area, something like the ukraine or that canadian. i also got, i would point out it's fastly becoming if it hasn't already become a failed state it without western funding. it is a failed. say gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's war in ukraine state with our new hungary has been a member of the european union and nato since 1999 during the 1st post soviet wave of nato's eastwood expansion numbers sales because of history. my logo, thanks his dilemma. prophy that a c like by law as a crunch. it's

a so me and if so we did pass for zappa. do match the what? p show room. yeah. the motion. i will beach ross. you see a boshoway, a mug, which is suddenly in the early ninety's hungry was a country with a worst view of russia due to a storage disagreements left over from the soviet union in the white one and someone like yours. you know what i see if you must company in the come here to political mars and otherwise i c k. and i did it at the political though in welcome back to cross truck where all things are considered on peter lavelle trim and you were discussing nato's war with

danny, let me go back to you and lay jackson. well, one of the most important things that have happened during the course of this conflict is that the u. s. has been able to cow completely the europeans. ok, and the european union, obviously, nato here. and it's really interesting, if you look in germany, germany is probably change the most because, you know, we had new york, europe, and old durable germany joined the new europe. okay. under the auspices of the greens, it's really quite remarkable. and that is the fundamental change here is because even when this company comes to an end, be the nightmare that washington has always had about the special relationship between russia and germany. that's over because the energy relationship is over, daniel. yes, completely been severed. i reconciled lee with a couple of weeks that was that boat called, you know, and a couple of sailors went out and blew up the pipeline. i, it was the, it was the ss minnow it was gilligan's island. yeah. that's the guys. right?

yeah. i mean, it's going to be a bad hand go for, for germans, and for germany, when they wake up and realize, you know, they blew it all in a slot machine in vegas, you know, the entire economy, the powerhouse of europe is gone. and it's interesting, the use, the word new europe, you know what i think the new europe is being led by hungary to be quite honest. i love, i agree with you, but you're obviously playing and for very different reasons. but i think that is the new way of a new way that will somehow prevail in europe. sorry to interrupt. keep going, daniel. no, no, you're absolutely right, because it's a loaded term. and i mean, it's just in the pure sense, the new europe is a europe that comes to terms with its relationship with russia. now for who is historic reasons hungry is not pro russia. it's not as rabbit, the anti russia as poland has been. but they've had some problems in history with russia, but they've had to learn how to deal with both sides and other russia is rebuilding the nuclear power plant in hungry, very important for energy on grease buying oil. it's not signing on with russia.

it's trying to find a way between the 2. i think that's the future and i think the next domino to fall may be france, but i think more likely may be germany. you're going to see the greens fall apart. you're going to see the coalition fall apart, not an expert on german politics, but just looking at the polls, there's going to be a shift and it has to come from there. think about, think about what a blow is going to be to germany when they wake up and realize that they're essentially a 3rd world country. but you're absolutely right in craig, you've already brought it up, you know, and i try not to force the issue, but i mean coven, and i'm not talking about the the, the virus. i'm talking about state craft in controlling populations here. as i said in the 1st part of the program, this is an elite agenda made, wasn't lead to agenda as well. ok, and i really worry about coersion censorship. all of these things that we was, it was a dry run with cobit is now. can be used for anything, it's being used for ukraine now,

craig. yeah. and it's going to be used even more dramatically drastically. we should say, when the cbc kick in the central bank, digital currencies, and it seems to be a big push for that. i mean, at the end of the day, that's what i thought this whole conflict was always about. i couldn't understand why, you know, the united states would, you know, push up a proxy war against the russians. and then also trying to sell this, the american public that ukraine could when that's at the end of the day, it's about regime change in russia. it was never about regime change in russia. i think we're starting to see what it was really about. and yes, these are things that are the, make us quite nervous because the control mechanism is there. and it seems that even though we've had this crazy proxy war, go on, a lot of these leads have been able to consolidate their power to major corporate corporations. and technology grabbing a hold of everything. well, you know, there's that, but i think is part of it here. but randy, i think that if you look at the, the, the imbeciles that are running american foreign policies and their lackeys,

and in brussels here we did their approaches. you know, this is our last chance. the bricks are coming up, china is coming up, africa ignoring it, is our big last chance to finish off the roof skis and then take on the chinese. i think that that's really embedded there. you can look at the crew that's running the shop. now. they were in the obama administration. remember the co of 2014 for them. this is just unfinished business. randy, i think do there is unfinished business. i think it is connected in with the, with corporate and the c. b c's. and there's a number of elements to it. i would say, obviously the kids in my chicken group got more brain power than the people. right . and she'll win in washington. absolutely. anybody could. gina, how to avoid this if there was, had been any desire to avoid it. but you know, the american for the american just is an economic battle, in my opinion. but i think for what i see here from the russians, this is also a,

a social and cultural war. absolutely, absolutely. that is not, you know, their way in life, they are still believed in extracting resources in actually building producing products using energy which is all ethical to, to what we are doing and what we're promoting in the west and everything from family values, resource extraction. this is a cultural war for russia and a war for economic domination by the state. and then there's all these other elements shown in there that are contributing factors such as cole with the authoritarian measures adopted by the west and the progression to the digital ideas and the she bbc's it. randy,

i am so glad you brought that up because i don't like to sound like a broken record, but i'm going to go to daniel and i'm going to sound like a broken record of it. this is a cultural, social conflict as well because russia presents itself as a unique model for its own people. it doesn't want to export and it just, you know, this is what we do here, but it is a, it alternative, you know, a hungarian say, you know, that's a conservative country. we have a lot in common with the we have shared values. but this is something that we have, you know, the woke sters in the west. no, you can't. this is an aberration. we must destroy it. see the way the west and phrases, everything, frames, everything is everything is existential. it's be or not to be what the world got along for a long time. not thinking that way, daniel. i think the russians very well recognized the moral implosion of the united states. you know, united states our values, at least those that are presented to us by the least seem to be our ability to castrate young boys and to raise you know, the next generation of unix and to also to create female shooters who believe

they're meant to kill people, they see the moral implosion they see are media, they see of popular culture imploding in the u. s. i think they recognize in a way for themselves. and this is a, in ideological war, a war for survival. but, you know, i do say that the, the empire, the u. s. empire is failing and it will fail. but you know, this is one of the most dangerous space, peter, and i'm sure you've reported on this already, but the united states arrested for african americans who happened to be black nationalist socialists because they simply said, they agreed with russia and they don't like us policy on ukraine, they picked them because they're low hanging fruit. they don't have a lot of money or power, but it's to warn the rest of us. that means you peter and myself, that anything you say anywhere, if it doesn't go along with the body and ministrations position, you can face 10 years in prison. it's a shilling chilling thought, especially for me sitting here in the united states. yeah, well, you guys are heroes. okay, i don't have to worry about it physically, but anytime i go onto the twitter, i get death threads, you know, but you know,

if it's because of my views, oh, but that's okay. okay. it's the, the double standards. the hypocrisy is so calling and very, very disturbing. craig, i mean also you know, this is that you'd like to bring up the technological part of it and there's a financial part of it here. i have to. 2 tell you this really surprises people, but i hope the sanction stay forever because i want russia to get away from the toxic with. if it's a finance, it's culture. just get away from it. ok. because there's nothing good coming from there. they learned a lot of lessons in 2008, and because of that they've been able to fair pretty well since then. go ahead in orange county. well, i mean, i, i see why you would want to say that, you know, but at the end of the day we keep on looking for the trap doors here. you know, at the, at the end of the day, whether it be russia, whether it be china, whether it be the west, everybody seems to be moving towards that technocratic kind of change where they

want more control, you know, cbd caesar thing that's coming in the, you know the digital you want has been yeah. introduce. so even though we can see this is a battle versus, you know, eurasia versus oceana. what is the trap door we're waiting on? we're talking about you, i must go over here a lot, you know, on twitter, the way he seems to be trolling a lot of the bided administration, people and all the whole toward a were years of sorts. but where did he come from? you know, he was a, a defense contractor, you know, he, i close eyes the darpa. so i think a lot of us are so even though we can see this kind of moving in a certain direction, we're starting to wonder what is behind those trap doors. and even though we might like the separation between the east and the west, what is really waiting for us on the other side? that's the question. yeah. but yeah, you know, yeah, e, we, we talk about globalization that's seen over for our entire generation. that was a big on tag board for everyone, but i think the globalization, as we've understood it, is come to an annual. now we're going to be separate, go globalization, maybe with the same trap door is that you're saying, i'm not going to disagree. and you obviously know more about it than i do. but

randy, there is a real separation going on. the there's the attempt to isolate russia and at the end is isolated the west that's we've learned from this. randy certainly, but we all know we've known since early times it sanctions can only harm the one who's placing the sanctions, et cetera. you know, now the shade should get away with that when the american dollar was unquestionably the only common reserved currency. but with russia, china bricks have put a nail in that coffin, pretty solidly. and you know, but what we can see, you know, when i was it a young man, we always knew who the good guys and who the bad guys were growing up. and what i would say is that and we've seen this with the twitter files, how the american military has been infiltrating media. social media. eli mosque has

done a great job revealing this, the americans, the west, canada. we have continued to portray russia as the old ussr, but we have adopted the practices and policies of the former ussr and, and now still think that we are the good guys. we're, we're involved heavily in censorship. we're waging both economic and military war against others. we are d, stabilizing countries around the world, and it's not going to end well for and that you don't. so figure out what we want to be all this. i think the, in this case it will be mutual, it could be generations, gentlemen, generation. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess and like jackson, orange county and in perth. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember, ross talk rules ah,

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