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ah, western countries like to say or like to believe that they are far more sophisticated than those countries that are still developing the west after all is supposed to be made up of countries that respect the rule of law. but we whistle blowers. no, that's just not true. you're just as likely to be harassed. surveilled, arrested and ruined financially and personally in the so called developed countries as you are in the developing ones. and in banking, switzerland is one of the worst. i'm john kerry. aku welcome to the whistleblowers . 2 2 2 2 in a previous episode of the program, we told you about bradley burke and felt the courageous whistleblower who not only exposed financial wrong doing money laundering and income tax evasion at the banking giant

u. b. s. but he brought down international money laundering and income tax evasion . period today we're going to tell you about another courageous whistleblower in banking who has been harassed and molested by the swiss government and banking sector for more than a decade. trevor kitchen. busy exposed a multi 1000000000 pounds sterling currency scandal as result, his reputation was damaged. and just 2 years ago, he was charged with defaming the swiss banking sector. facing several years in prison, he was saved only when the portuguese court elected to not extradite him. trevor, welcome to the show. we're glad to have you. well, thanks for inviting me, john. it's a pleasure to meet you and beyond your show. trevor, in a funny way, your story is the reverse of so many other whistleblowers. your whistle blowing was clear cut. you blew the whistle on what was really an international banking conspiracy to manipulate foreign currency exchange. i'm going to ask you about that in a moment. what makes your story so different?

is your, your wish alone was obviously a public service and you were clearly reporting a crime. but your life went off the rails for more than a decade because of the very powerful governments in organizations that went after you. let's begin with your actual whistle blowing. tell us what you saw when that was and how you reported it. okay, well, to give you a little bit of background 1st. i've been working as finance control for about 35 years. and i was quite familiar with multiple currencies work and in multiple currencies. that the companies that i worked out, we traded in in those. and when i retired, i decided i wanted to supplement my pension. so in february, 2008, something happened that call my hi my attention. i noticed that for the 1st

time in history that the dollar saying the low power fees, this was frame that was august, 2011. it hit rock bottom. the dollar at once has been worth $2.00 to the swiss francs 90. it now only bore $0.72 supply demand, nor did they result in to assemble data. i charted market movements, we calculated the amount of money that would be needed to achieve these colossal movements that were going on. i wasn't inside banker, i want to make that perfectly clear for your readers. sorry for your. ready years but after extensive independent analysis, that was my own independent says that i am full. that was informed by decades of experience. i was able to detect after painstaking analysis that they were able to

get away with this was such a long time because it was difficult to determine what was really happening. so based on the expertise i had developed over these decades and training experience in training, i detected that these currency rates will be in manipulating by major binds and traders. at the same time, swiss law firms were springing up everywhere in zurich. i noticed that straight away they were called wealth managers. family. well, these law firms enabled massive wealth transfer behind even russian television were algorithmic trading fading at a small company in switzerland. co owner of that company was a family member of the bank. julius, there is j. p. morgan, and sore ex. owner some data,

asking him why he's partner national futures authority in the us. you can get to now the n f i n k r letter a report on currencies, bible and threatened to take criminal action enemies. those who wished you actual harm were in switzerland and the you were abruptly arrested in portugal. taken to solitary prison, denied your medication, given ill fitting and had access to an attorney and an interpreter for a period one, but from the swiss government. what was that like? did you know what you'd be? and i was on, i retired on the gear i'll they took me to the show. it was dirty. it was there was no heating. i was on the law body of water. it was scary because they don't exist in switzerland, nor europe. the people on my dear, all of these judiciary place, were looking at me as are given miranda rights. there was no interpreter in the

beginning. there was to be my wife was needing to see me or bring me show the 48 hours on released in handcuffs and the judge and be deadly apologize. the swiss one to extra me to switzerland as against personal, warmer and body and put under arrest then of fine one, put under house arrest. i'd rather say did i know that swift prosecutors to do some of these prosecutors and just rogues? i mean they're, i mean this is incredible. so they, they and they, in switzerland, the prosecutor, jury criminal cases and civil don't by prosecutor. so this hire a prosecutor that had already in toward my ex wife in georgia. it has a paste the 5 years. the prosecutor had her interrogated,

trying to find dollars from my bank account, a strong judiciary place, how they should treat me on madeira or is about was prosecutors in place using psychological tal, 90 percent of criminals in switzerland or overhang. this type of the moral article that people who report corruption wrong good and not criminal install. a swiss have weapon lies the justice system with whistleblowers, who record corruption which and we have a lot more to ask him, especially about his work to remain. 2 2 2 2 ah, look forward to talking to you on a robot must obey the orders given by human anticipation. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence at the point of with various

with oh, when i was showing wrong, a have to say proud disdain and engagement. because the trail south will depart, we choose to look for common ground. the welcome back to the with were speaking with the international banking whistleblower trevor kitchen. trevor, thanks for sir. case in portugal before a panel of 3 judges, but the portuguese to it remained hanging over your head. you were warned that you would be charged violating privacy and bank secrecy laws. and you were facing. the truth is the swiss were embarrassed and perhaps humiliated. you would err,

they're dirty laundry. we know that this is a swiss tact that u. b. s. whistleblower, brad burke and feld had gone up against the same one year appeal and you were permitted to leave portugal. what happened by now? i had a u. k lawyer and he, portuguese ministry of foreign affairs. and he followed the swiss general attorney describing swiftly as degrading. it was a breach of civil likely motivated because of my whistle blowing activities, withdrawal their warrant, and terminate all the swiss attorney general. she ever got a reply. my portuguese lawyers, supreme court had characterized the swiss has political oppression or refreshing. that is absolutely contrary to european law. there are some re bunch. anyway, at that point, we felt threatened we,

we didn't know my wife and i decided to leave europe and had by just south and all my family and passed on in some africa. so i felt there live my last few years there on 72. now on the u. k. layered advise me to keep a copy of the supreme court decision. just my wife for me a few times she said look, if we're going to fly in portugal anymore, we better not go anywhere near the u. k. e supreme court decision. i did transit in schiphol airport. i'm the exact same one. the dots should they skated? my poles for photographed fingerprinted me moms. they stripped me, make it or put me in solitary confinement of any medic, my own medication was a bit. yeah, they said, well, you know, we're, we have to worry about drugs that we've been in case you got drugs on the pages. i thought what the heck. so i'm denied my medicine and i was there for 3 hours

a day in this dutch prison, that skip alert and i, i had a phone call in me twice, i think. anyway, it events dutch let me out after 14 days in front of them. so writing email complaints to, they said, well, the dutch prosecutor, once your passport, i have to report to the police station once a week. and courts are so busy i would serious crime this extradition verdict is coming through and i have to sit there. so you're told something, she said, you know, it's not a criminal offense. when i thought about last $3000.00 euro rent each month. so we, when i got back to my destination. so i have those the dutch,

any dutch in play, anywhere in the world. i'll be re arrest refuses return my pounds for another u. k. else for so the last 9 months shot. so horror. sure. the f who also works with the national whistleblower center here in the united states has important whistleblowers ever to come out of the banking sector. what would you waste fraud, abuse or legality? you know how high the price can trying to get exposure through the or, or to reveal any media don't help people nowadays and are in switzerland. a country that now seems to regard itself. they need to remember that system, lawyers and prosecutors are good at twisting truth. i'd ask people here any whistleblower books, don't trust any law enforces or the privilege hours to attend public speech. it's anywhere in europe, especially switzerland. to me that the european benchmark justice is now bit

hypocrisy. i tell people and whistle with incorrigible officials because people who are running are laws and politics leaders, they need to be where because a lot of people don't realize this, but ok. you don't need an id to go traveling from state house, but in europe in the shouldn't get one or every please. and no one is safe from this use abuse. next for you, trevor. many whistleblowers speak teach lexus. many try to be something of a sentinel of the public trust. what have you been read and listening to a lot of whistleblowers in switzerland, where they're stores about switch corruption in the cross. the type of switch brutality that goes highest detention center, detentions, and they happens,

sorry, overall. rephrase some percentage in the world of being put on trial . there is no trouble. who for the future is i'd like to try to help those poor people have no voice to reveal the truth about what wriggle of his secrecy and i'd like to from professor raja scuse him. if i might stop, the ordinary person is in charge of the law who are there pretending to impose it on him or her? that's all the time we have for you today. i'd like to thank our guest trevor kitchen for joining us. mahatma gandhi once said that truth never did. he was right . speaking the truth, take strength and courage. sometimes we don't even understand where that strength comes from, but without would be a far different place. i'm john kerry, aka, when you've been, what time with

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