self in case you weren't already sure whether our government was somehow involved in the assassination of our president. whether now after hearing that you are less so or more so if all was, was just a long not which is what they say. he was who decided one day he woke up and decided to kill the president. why now, 60 years later, 16 years later, are we hiding information regarding oswald connections to. and i'm going to quote, the biden memo again, right? what is the by memo? say military defense intelligence, operations, law enforcement, or the conduct of foreign relations. what would that have to do with alone? not what those agencies have to do with oswald. that has to be kept secret unless he may be, wasn't alone, not after all. oh, the white house now says the j of case he grits will be withheld by the way,

from the public again. now they've pushed a date back to june 30th, june 30th of 2023. and we'll see what happens that joyous hours are johnstone. ah, schanzer director, a actor has grown up in the movie making content, filling environment. what was it like for you and what are your recollections of the movie j f. k? when your dad was filming? sure, sure. i mean, it was a lot of fun. first of all, just to be on that, that production because you know, he, they did his costume designers and the set designers and such a beautiful job of taking us back to the 1960 sprite when the story was set. and so in new orleans in dallas, at that time, the recreations, i mean it was, it was just very, it was very real to be in that world. and remember the heat when it was,

we were shooting the courtroom drama scene. the final, the final court room scene, which is like almost an hour of the film and as he's amazing monologues and cost there. but we're just sitting there in the court listening to the monologues and we're all sweating because we got like a little 3 piece suit on and, and it's like there's, you know, this is before ac rights, there's have fans going in. it is dying of the summer is louisiana summer. he was just brutal and grueling. and you were in the movie. i mean you, you, you active in the movie. interestingly enough, obviously, as a child actor did you, did you ever, when did it dawn on you that this movie is the movie that to this day lives in the minds of so many americans when they're polled and they say 60 to 70 percent of them were convinced that the government had something to do with the death of j of k. yeah, i don't know if that necessarily suede because that's my recollection. those, those polls started even in the late sixty's or seventy's already. a lot of people said that they didn't do not believe the warren commission that oswald act alone.

so that long been an argument in the, in the minds the american public. it was great to see that it crystalized. you know, many of the books and there was even executive action or something like some movie in the seventy's. i think with like think it was. burt lancaster was and someone like that out. that caliber doing a movie about a fictionalized version of the assassination of kennedy, but it was, you know, this was, this was known in many ways, many ways by the general population, but not in the mainstream media perspective. right. make sure me carefully guarded this, this idea. and so jeff came blue that open into the mainstream, or something about the movie and your dad's way of capturing it, where you can. it's almost undeniable. there's this one scene. i can't remember what the words were, but we know that harvey lee harvey oswald was shooting from behind where the texas school book depository was almost at an angle from behind. and yet in the movie we

see it goes, he, the bullet goes here and it goes back, the bullet goes here and it goes back the bullet here and it goes back and you still wait, that's shot for that doesn't make any sense. right? well, that's the whole point, you know, the, so much of the autopsy did it make sense because there was, there was cover ups within the autopsy. right. in terms of who took over, right. it became like, you know, various military personnel stepped in and it was, it was, it was very messy. the place that kennedy's brain is a peer. so you can even point say, well, what is the brain show as far as an exit wound? and so when you got this printer film and you can see that it's more of the back right portion of his head that blows off that, you know, then of course you're saying, well then how can that be the exit? you know, how can i be an exit wound from a rear shot? it makes more sense if it was a until shot, and that's the exit wound. and so again that, that's a crew to film was on and i was focusing on in the, in the film. and you know, again there's just a, it's, it's so difficult to,

to nail it down because you can no one level it, oswald, couldn't have operated alone. it just doesn't, it doesn't make sense for him to act alone. and yet the same time to say definitively who did it, you know, i father even has never gone to that place because it's all you can say is, you know, these are the suspects and this is the motive suspected motivation. but ultimately, to know, you know, who picked up the for the phone the 1st time and said, you know, this has to be done. who knows what the real question here is then and, and the reason you are having this conversation today is because just recently the president of the united states, joe biden, who as a senator said, we definitely should let all the information know it's been 60 some years time to let the people know what happened, who cares? everybody associated with the warren commission is dead. so let's do it. he once said we had to do that when he was a senator 20 years ago. now they ask him to go ahead and you know,

let the information be seen by all americans. and he says now he withhold something like $4.00 to $5000.00 reports. and these are the reports that deal sean as you probably know with his ties to the f b i and the ca mean oswald ties to the f b i y a he's. if he's alone not. why would he have any ties to the right? oh sure. no, there were plenty, i mean it was the, it was my dad pointed out in the film. the film focused on jim garrison was a real person. you know, the real district attorney and new orleans. and he was making a case against clay shaw and you know, shaw they deny that cliche was the well he was and that became out later. right. that was revealed later. but at the time he was trying to prove that she was ca, and of course, you know, he was going off of witnesses and you know, the jury,

the jury and that it didn't ultimately buy it. they, they certainly felt like there was something off with shot, but they couldn't quite say definitively. they was part of the conspiracy. but the point with the child was the i do more than child who was basically like harvey harvey oswald handler. this guy was very connected to more shelf. he was connected with bush family. he was, you know, white rush and he was very, very connected person. so he's close the r v as well. david ferry was another guy. yeah. close to as well to all these characters. plus guy banisters for the i all these guys being close to oswald and then join to deny and say well and also i was just this loan, you know, commune. if not it just, that story was so full of whole right. and so we've, we've known this but to defend it's, there's a difference between they always say correlation, causation, right? and so when you actually get the proof that oswald was either naval intelligence ca, all of the above f b, i inform it,

probably all the above. then you actually have something more substantial, but until you actually have that proof and documentation form, they're always in the say, it's the allegation. wow. johnstone. good friend. oh, good journalists, really, you kind of become a, you've become a bit of an investigator. and i know i know, i know you're not a journalist, but you certainly think like one which is sometimes why enjoy these conversations that you and i have from time to time. thanks for coming on. thanks for sharing your wisdom with the shop. we appreciate it. thank you and by the way, i have a podcast where i as a journalist, as a latino, as an entrepreneur, tell my story and share with you what i've learn throughout my own life. when i've success, when i've had success and when i failed to call the rick sanchez podcast, i invite you to check it out and i'll be looking for you there. so look, when we come back more on america's most disgust, conspiracy theory that j of k 5

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story that j of k was killed by some low nut, right? some loan assassin, they've never bought it. sometimes they bought it less than other times, but they've never really bought it. think about that despite all these years with all of the media and all of the government and all of the interested parties who needed seemingly americans to believe that oswald. busy did this all by himself with no help. just got up one day and decided to do this. still, americans don't buy it. they don't by the fact that oswald did this alone. in fact, the numbers, as you look at him, look at that a straddle as high as 80 percent at some point and 60 percent, but always over 50, seemingly. and here's what's interesting about all of this. when i, when asked ok, so who did it? americans are asked that question in poll after poll and americans, most usual suspects are the united states government. think about that,

americans think the united states government or up general majorities in polls of americans took the united states government killed its own preston or was involved somehow in the killing of the president. they also say the mafia. that's number 2. and then they say the cia or they say some combination somehow of all 3 of these and joining us now to talk about this is jefferson morley. so he writes up the cia and j f k. the secret assassination file is that like the most perfect guests that we could get to talk about this. and that's where we're going to begin . i got a lot to tell you about jefferson, but 1st, let's start with it. so 1992. ah jefferson, mr. biden, as senator biden says, we should release all of these secret docs no matter what. and the people should have a chance to read all of it by at least 2017. now, as president biden,

he gets to make the call to let everybody read everything. and he box, what changed i, the institutional power of the cia is they are, they did the same thing to president trump. they said, you know, we can't possibly let these j f k records be made public despite a very clear law to that effect. that biden himself had voted for and at the end of the day, the president's feel they have to go along with the cia a's extreme and suspicious demands for secrecy. but, but what you're saying is, let's stop and capture this moment. what you're saying is jefferson. c, i is more powerful than the president on this issue you, it's hard to draw any other conclusion. the congress has spoken unanimously, passing that 1992. the intent, the spirit of the law is quite clear that everything should be released by october

2017, except in the rarest of cases. that deadline has now been blown. a couple of times were 6 years late. and the c, i still retains probably 4400 assassination related records that still contain redactions. so yeah, it means that the cia has the ability to keep this information secret despite a very clear law from congress and very clear support in public opinion. no, there was a pole done last december. i've been dixon amandito polling firm and that of 2000, you know, mid term voters and 70 percent. when presented with the situation with j of k records, said president biden should release them all without exception. and that's across the board. democrats, republicans in independence. yeah. and it hasn't happened that the funny thing is, most americans just believe that somehow we don't know the truth still and the

majority, whether it's $51.00 to $79.00 to $80.00, i've seen all kinds of reports, believe the government was somehow involved. so let's go to that, let's talk a little bit about the government, apparently in those 4 to 5000 records that the president has decided that people should not see. researchers like yourself say, most of those contain information about oswald saw lee harvey oswald ties to the government be at the cia or the f. b i is that you are taken and i wouldn't say that most of them do, but some of them do. yeah. you know, i mean, this is a mixed bag. some of what the cia is concealing is quite trippy. and i think that's intentional because he keep a lot of stuff secret so that the really important stuff is harder to find. and so this is why they're keeping this secret. most of this stuff, there's no harm that we get that. ok, let's go,

let's go there. let's go there. if this guy is a low nut, which is what they say, ro, not guys, one day just wakes up. whatever the, he's angry because he loves cuban, he'd see about it states. he's really a super secret soviet citizen. he just a white job and the size one day is going to kill the president, but he happens to be on unbelievable shut whatever their story is. if, if that's their story, why this? why keep anything secret? and certainly why keep anything that has to do with potential ties to the government, because if he was it, if, if he's really alone, not right. he wouldn't have any dies to the government. right. and in fact, i mean what you have here, rick, is the see. i kept a very big secret about oswald from the start and they're still trying to keep it secret. they don't want to talk about it. and that was this, this idea that the press, this guy came out of nowhere and shot the president. that's completely false. when you look at the cia spiral on oswald before the assassination. in fact, the see,

eyes own file shows that asshole was very well known to senior operations officers 6 weeks before kennedy was killed and they signed off on a cable about him. they had a fat file in front of them. and that's what they're heidi, is the pre assassination interest in the harvey. awesome. that's the thing. that's been radioactive for the cia from the start. and when we see, you know, as we get down to the end and more and more, it gets be classified. the stuff that remains the story that remains hidden is the cia operational interest in oswald before kennedy was killed just before he supposedly killed the president of the united states. lee harvey, all all was in mexico. apparently making a called to the soviet union that call was by the way it recorded by the mexican president at the time they say that's concealed in there as well. and these

documents that mr. biden to not release. why, what, what, why, why not release those? and is that significant? as far as you can to? i think it is significant. i mean the caea has always issued deceptive, any misleading statements about what it knew about as well. and some of the details are still shrouded in secrecy. one that came out in december, we learned a little detail, which was the wire tapping operation that picked up on oswald was set up with the help of the mexican president and the cia and the mexican presidency. were very careful to conceal that knowledge from the warren commission. the warren commission report because it was very sensitive because it showed that the c, i a knew far, far more about the suppose it assassin than they ever admitted. wow, jefferson morley on the book is c. i a and j f k, the secret assassination file. his website, j, f, k, fax, dot, subs stack,

dot com. oh, great place as a repertoire for all kinds of information and i would, i would recommend you get to know his stuff. he's been looking into this for so so long now. thank you again jefferson for joining us. thanks for having me, rick. i don't know what it is, but the j. f. k. assassination, but i for one, can't get enough of it to so many mystery. so many questions unanswered. before i go, i want to share something with you. i want to remind you of our mission, what we'd like to do here, or try to do simple, really. we wanna de, silo the world. we've got to stop living in these little boxes that we can't seem to be able to see outside of. because true, i don't live in boxes, they're everywhere, right? i'm excited and i'll be looking for you again right here, where i hope to provide direct impact ah.

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