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bank i am f consensus that washington has leverage around the world, arguably conflicts over ukraine in taiwan. and now slamming the doors shot on the post 945 era of economic hitman that comprise matron, asian lenders, corporations the cia, and those who foster global war debt and famine. one of the hitman and someone who blew the whistle on them is john perkins. he allegedly advised the will bank, the m f, u. s. treasury department, fortune 500, that corporations governments around the world is best selling confessions of an economic hit man is now in a 2023 updated 3rd edition. he's on bainbridge island over the water from seattle in washington state. thank you so much for coming back on going underground, john. i've got to say a, it's a very different, very update to full of new information. if anyone thinks it's just the old confessions of economic hit, man, just remind us before we before we start, why it became required reading in the global south to be able amongst the elite stephen to understand what happened in the global south for these past few decades

. where famine and war and vulnerability has been rife, a seemingly in nature nation media blamed on those people's living in those countries rather than that. something else? well, yes, i think it as soon as it's great to be with your dns and that way, um and you know, people in the global self, like i get so many messages from them. and when i go in and visit and speak and places in south america and elsewhere, i hear that they knew the sort of thing was going on. but to actually have it be expose and in writing. and by someone who was there on the ground doing these nefarious things, which, which i did and, and ask them what to admit to doing them and, and, and, and i'll spend the rest of his life trying to turn that around is very gratifying

to look so the book is very, very popular. it's been, i think, 38 languages now sold over 2000000 copies. it's a and people in many, many countries a say, you know, the united states needs to be called to reckoning on this. and now of course, this no work as deals with china's economic hit men who are doing pretty much the same thing. they, they've got a different story to tell. they've got a new marketing technique which is very, very effective. but it's basically the same story, their economic hitman learn from our failures and our successes, and they're doing out of much more efficient job than we ever did. and do you expect that to me attacked by a mission in maiden, they shouldn't media press or do they, will they like this one? because you do attack china, which is a kind of trope, many people doubt the we good story of people. good z. r is few with a we as an, as another story designed by the kinds of forces that you've described for decades

to destabilize countries. how do you expect li response to this, i updated edition or to some instruction manual, how to destroy developing well countries to others? how to save them? well, my hope is that people will really look at what i think is the major theme of the book. and that is the economic hit man strategy in china. and the united states is taking us to the precipice of, of self destruction, of the world as we know it, and life as we know on this planet. it, you know, we can talk about climate change in income inequality and species extension both problems. but they're not the problem. they are symptoms of this death economy. it's based on short term maximization of profit period. and it's not working. it trickle down economics does not work. and so, you know, in the book is about how to we've created life economy that pays people to clean up

pollution to regenerate destroyed environments, to recycle, to develop technologies like wind and solar and, and, and non good, non carbon emitting forms. and i, i don't, i mean the end of the book, you're there, exercise the things for schools or education. how do you expect this stuff to, to happen given if you reach any level of power based on the rest of the text in the book. you may be killed, overthrown. if you get a democratic mandate, or are they will print stories against you? they will use all these. i mean, you, you got one side saying whatever you try, they will destroy you. and the other one saying, try for better world. well, you know, i realize i'm citing probability, but history is based on people who fought probability successfully, you know, and, and, and 1774. and the concept in the united states in america was me. and i say check

was that the british were in the sense that were in the feasible, they were invincible. they couldn't be beaten. and you know, george washington sounds that before the continental congress and says, remembers how 20 years earlier, he was at the battle monongahela during the french and indian war, where the biggest, most powerful british army was wiped out. and it's general braddock was killed and all the out made her officers were killed by a handful of french and indians. and washington says, what was, listen, they're not invincible. all we gotta do is high, benign trades go against probability. come up with a new system. i'm my hope is that we, yes, the probability is that we're really go on doing this and we're going to create, continue to create a problems more severe, hurricanes, more severe climate change, et cetera. but i believe that we can go against probability and a cause history is written by people who oppose ability and do something come up

with a new idea, a new perception, a new approach. and that's what this book is about. an option as how we can all come together, you know, think about it. this is with china, nice days can never agree to do something like this to fight, to fight climate change, et cetera. but if there was a u. f. o hovering above us and aliens were threatening to attack us. what would chime in the united states to? they probably come together and alicia, selling a lot of books in it's, it's of obviously a fabrication. he said, well, i know it. i said after i did the 1st program with you, the u. s. ambassador and athens called me into the office and, and chewed me. and he said, you know, you put me in a very, very difficult position because now all these people are reading this book, other diplomats and they're coming into my office and say, is it true? what's, what's your position on this bush? and he said, i go back to the state department and asked, what is our position on this part? and he said, i'm sure diplomats around the world and we're having the same problem. and so the state department had to come up with a statement, so they've been there. diplomats,

i could just say, well, i don't have a comment on it personally, but here's, here's our official response. and it was really interesting to me. and because i did sell a lot of books that you've accomplished the opposite of what they wanted to accomplish, you quote from wiki leaks. i mean, julian assange has been on this show general michael flynn. he's been on this show and i got to say a songy, flynn virtually annihilated after they talked about what was really going on or away from the press releases the state department away from arguable lies in the so called mainstream corporate media. sons', of course, arguably being tortured according to the un repertory in london at the moment. this updated edition. and people must be wondering and people ask the question, and you address it in this edition. how is it you are alive? given that you have blown the whistle on, some of the most horrific crimes that in a way are emblematic of west crimes. and you say in the book as one country after

another in africa and latin america are in asia, is impoverished deliberately as strategy by the united states. in this book, you say you are targeted the, perhaps your health perhaps to stop you at the u. n. and you have fears for your family. well, yes. so when i 1st started to write the mark a long time ago, i contacted other people who had jobs like mine in the jackals. the people who go in, if, if the economic hit, men are unsuccessful and overthrow governmental, explorers the supervisee overthrow of governments. and sometimes even assassinate their leaders, is what happened to re and a and chilly. and our benson won a mile and most of decking around and on and on. stacy's admitted amenities, things i contacted to some of these people. and immediately i received anonymous phone calls, threatening my life and threatening the life of my aunts and daughter. so at the end of the same time, i was offered a very lucrative consulting job with it,

with stone, webster, and engineering company and major and major competitor my. when i was chief economist at that at chelsea, maine and i had, i quit that job who was writing this book, and they offered me an extremely lucrative consulting position. i provided, i didn't write the book, they knew i was working on the book. so i stopped, but then after 911 i, i knew i had to write the book and i'm not saying there's any direct connection here at all, but there isn't but, but when i went to ground 0 and looked down on that smouldering pit, i knew i had to come clean on what i had done and i decided this to me wouldn't tell anybody it wouldn't contact anyone else. i would write a personal a confession. i wrote the whole thing in secret and then get it in the hands of the good new york agent who got it in the hands of publishing houses. and at that point, i figured it's my, my security, it's my insurance policy. because you know, anyone who might not like what i wrote at particular in the, in the government would know that if something strange happened to me,

the book would sell a lot more copies than the 2 men itself. and so with this, i went forward and did that. so as regards jackals and economic kept men, ben, ah, what do you think the strategy is based on all your experience as regards opec? it was widely reported that saudi arabia in the united arab emirates didn't answer biden's phone call when, after what happened in ukraine, they were, as per usual. so might say in is in your book you imply which all the look increase output reduce the prices of global prices of crude. and they didn't do it. will they be? and willoughby easy for them to have another jackal. economic hit man strategy against a mom admin salman and and be said of the way. no, it won't be a day because of china and, and because the world has changed so much amongst other things. the day,

many of the moslem countries are very upset at us, or what we did in afghanistan and iraq, they don't. c s s s s, s, family to moslem countries, and china has, has become the major power. and so much of the world that no longer are we looked at as, as the great protector. and these countries know that we can't protect them against china. they know that we can't, that even russia at this point though, despite what we're doing in ukraine, this threat is very real. and they're saying that the united states is, is over extended. and so for him away to having the jackal john. so he has no economic hint. when does that mean the jackal i'm speaking to you from dubai? are there by the americans coming for us? i think at this point it's, it's less likely than in the past, but certainly it least people mount have some pretty good ways to protect themselves against jackals that you know in the jackals have been

notoriously good at taking out governments in countries that have fairly weak governments, they're not so good at taking out countries where you have a very strong government, like saudi arabia. and you know, the middle east of this point is, is, is a very different place from what it was back when i helped strike that deal in the early and mid 19 seventy's. well, world is what place? well, what about back back home in the united states? cuz jr. widen talked a lot about things that are happening abroad of back in the united states. the big story for a while, was this balloon and then belatedly, i think it was to public pressure. arguably, people started talking about infrastructure, the ohio rel a disaster. i know you say that the ukraine war, again, is diverting the us from strengthening really since the global partners. but at the same time, why is infrastructure in the state that it is in the united states is and how is it

related to this economic global economic hitman jackal strategy from washington? well, because united states that corporations can't make nearly as much money off doing infrastructure projects in the united states as they can make up, doing infrastructure projects in other countries. so when an economic hit man goes in and convinces the president of, of a latin american or an african country to take a huge loan from the world bank that they have to use to hire yours corporations. to bill infrastructure projects in their country. the company that bills the infrastructure projects, the u. s. corporation makes huge profits. and of course the military industrial complex does not benefit from interest search projects in the united states. the way that they benefit from what goes on in other countries. so there's a lot of pressure at the various highest levels of our government through lobbyist and consultants and advisors to expand all of our overseas efforts. and the other

side of that is that as we expand these overseas efforts, we are also lining ourselves with countries who have resources that are corporations, want oil, copper, cobalt. today we're looking to dig into, you know, to take better control of the lithium, which is, you know, so important to that it took to the green economy. and china has essentially, i think they control just about 90 percent of the lithium in the world. people and people have watch our louise asa, into the president of bolivia. it didn't work out so well for washington. when, after even morales where lithium is of course a in bolivia, we don't really have a much time to be able to talk about noriega, who surprisingly comes out nicer than will might expect in the new updated edition . given the demonize ation or specific, ve monetization of him in panama. but when it comes to panama, we knows lensky was named in the panama papers. that doesn't seem to be talked about much nowadays. you say in this book that says since the 1st edition,

he becomes short, why are blatant defiant and merciless that a donation the banks, these big banks of the nato nations? are you talk about the corrupt a lab or interest rate setting? and you don't think much of the 10000000000 fine on j. p. morgan chase barclays bank of scotland. u b. s. freight is guilty deutscher, bank 2 and a half $1000000000.00. you weren't satisfied the fact that all these banks were corrupt in me to reach her up to larry because to me on that one i wasn't satisfied the fine levels of fire. they paid their dues, oh well, isn't it funny that base get fine, but based on committee? don't commit crimes. banks don't get put in prison. banks don't, you know, they could find, but the people that actually committed the crimes, the ones who made the decisions they go, scott free. those are the people high positions and these banks i,

i think that's horrific that corporations in the united states have the rights of individuals. but they don't have the responsibilities and they don't have to answer to the same laws. it's not the way a democracy should operate. john perkins, thank you. and the 3rd and latest addition of confessions of an economic plan is that now if you're thinking of taking out and i am f alone, that's it for the final show this season. we'll be back with a brand new episode on saturday, the 13th of may, but until then, we'll be broadcasting some of your favorite shows all the series. meanwhile, and keep in touch by will a social media. if it's not sensitive, your country had to watch. i don't going underground tv on rumbled come to watch new and old episodes of going undergrad. see very soon with for

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