like a son im ron con, overthrown one year ago, ostensibly by the country's national assembly. since he was overthrown, he has been shot as well as charged with dozens of crimes from corruption to terrorism, with attempt made to arrest and assassinate him. we must tell you that if you're watching this broadcast on saturday, this episode was filmed on wednesday. the 22nd of march 2023, former prime minister and chair of the pakistan to regain south party in oregon, joins me now from law, capital of funder. our province in pakistan. thank you so much. i am on for coming on the show. it's been so long since i interviewed you lost in in london. when you wanted to be prime minister since then, you've been overthrown. you've been shot and injured. your family is being targeted . our real are the assassination plot against you right now as we speak? the association laws, sir. unfortunately, i ran the dent on me when i was very lucky. i'm lucky to be alive

when she pulled my legs. i was wanting for almost 2 months before the attempt. i give the exact manner in which they were going to dry necessitated b and other blame it on a religious fanatic. but it was all done by a people in the prime minister. they did minister and one senior intelligence agency guy, and they had planned this murder nation, and i was lucky to be alive. and unfortunately they are still in a position of power. and so therefore, even though the investigation had started, but the scholarly mastication, because it was pointing in the direction of a proper guns, proceed along the lines which i predicted. and therefore they just they said, what does the investigation? so the threat israel, because these people are sitting and bala, the petrified. but if i wouldn't the elections there would be in trouble

accountable. so they have been doing since then when i was there by the almighty, just in the nickel dime they had to do. but be on 11 on saturday. there was a problem. did i almost walked into the disk drive and the nick of time i got back because they had planned, you know, getting me them. and then i discovered that they were going to do another action against me. on wednesday, they were going to do this action where my supporters were there and they were plunging people in my supporters who would have fired the police. and the police in their delegation would have given my support that eventually come off to me. so i mean, it's a difficult time in august because we have a government which is addressed. we have a government which cannot then the what you get on

a goal. but they could make situation in the country, which is we're passing through the worst crisis in our history. the was governance system and history. and then we have people, well, petrified of elections. so the elections on too many problems is i've been announced by the supreme court on the 30th of april, the petrified elections. my body will sweep them because an order been bullied by bodies boys who wouldn't do the majority of august on hence then one thing to get rid of me out of the 37 by elections in the last few months. my body a sweat deal. so you know, you, the reason you asked being the beginning power in the thread, the thread is ran until the elections because they want that if the election stick come back into power, they wouldn't be added to countable. i'll get to the economy in a moment. is it true that as b t i lead father george says in indian papers actually called up the story of us,

that you are going to be part of multi body negotiations, agreeing on a process when your elections and does that make any difference as regard yourself because because you're banned from going for these elections by pakistani authorities, well, i'm not bad at all. but 443 cases. again, we filed by the government. under 43. it must be somewhat red color. i remember i've been in the public eye for the last 50 years. i'm the most well known bugs in history and people know me. i have never broken any law. and suddenly in the last few months, in trying to remove me from the election raised them 543, which start from last me to sedition. to dare is a most of them are dead or is it will support is in the peace movement in say,

nature, countries say that it was your opposition to drones. things that you've done certainly would have irritated the cia and antony blinking. but what about these gifts that you received from foreign governments? when you a p. m, between 201820? 22. what do you want about those judges? in 70 years of pakistan, history, the law says that when a head of state law, anyone and bower and ministers, all army generals, only one when they receive gifts, then the law says that you bear a certain amount or do those state. it used to be 20 percent, and my diamond was 50 percent when you paid 50 percent, the guess for yours to do whatever you want. but guess you did not claim washington and in the market. so this has been the law for 70 years. i and i'm waiting for, does this job. this is a allegation i'm waiting for this to go to court. you would find out and people

would find out the only had austin possibly the only had austin who went by the book who declared everything and who made did everything legal is sitting here? well, of course, some i'd say that you appointed people when you were prime minister, that i don't know whether you think they were part of a conspiracy for the spokesperson and edema. so john, why does he saying things like, i was impressed by a emron cons. anti corruption platform was tied to the status quo, but then saw that well, con, publicly talked about the poor. privately, he surrounded himself with the wealthy investors. what, what do you make of that? and others are that you, you appointed, you appointed people that now criticize you. so this guy came from one of the party, joined me before 2008 elections. and then he lost the elections. and so as a consolation, i gave him some advice issue and then he went back to the party to the body game

from when he, when you go back, what are you going to say? why, why did you leave your body? you know, why are you back? what else is he going to say? i am really disappointed. i thought this was this. i mean, you know, these are politicians. what are they going to say? remember, the only government that has been removed and i, history and not removed for corruption was my government. when my government was removed, in 17 years, we had the best economic performance and that's documented in economics avail, focused on an annual report published on the economy published by this government. so it has the best economic record in 70 years and was not removed on corruption. obviously that severe be disputed by the opposition you tweeted on sunday. fascism is at unprecedented levels under the premiership of your successor. noah's shrieks brother shabazz, i'm deciding through the ios. i boss nadeem and u. z,

a fascist. and what is the role of the military here because to have fascism, you need a strong military. are you saying that there are others beside the prime minister, the new prime minister that are part of fascism in modern day pakistan? never in a democratic government and have a fundamental rights of the citizens, a democratic rights? never the freedom of speech. never has it been so much as stig, right. as right now, i mean, all these rights have disappeared, but his son is passing through the worst human right catastrophe. in a democratic history. yes. in some military dictatorships, there was probably similar circumstances, but in general, my sheriff's dictatorship was liberal compared to what we are going to right now. well that's, that's obviously quite a crisis statement. have you had any or any contact with us authorities

because the optics of your overthrow were that you were with vladimir putin as the response by russia to nature provocation as russia. so it had happened in don bass, and there's been very little support for you from washington. but on the other hand, you have tempered your initial charge is that washington was, or the sole conspirator to of the qu, that you allege when my gunman was removed. so just to give you a, he was exactly what happened, a cipher which is of which is a correspondence from our ambassador in washington. with his conversation with the american under secretary of state of south asia. it was a recorded a conversation in terms that it was there were no takers on both sides. so it was an official meeting. this is donald lou, right. dot antony blinking. diplomat. yeah. so dad. oh god responders were

just gone. the cypress secret correspondence arrived at the foreign office and at my desk. no, what did it say? daughter louis, telling the buggy sunny investor that if you do not remove him, ron con, your prime minister and a vote of no confidence, there will be consequences of by august on the next day. it is a voter, no confidence against b, a government that had the best economic performance in 70 years. as you know, as you know now shes sharif is saying they have a leak already of you saying we must use this. i mean, that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the biden administration was trying to overthrow you, but it was that true to the audio recording of you saying we must use as one can understand you wanting to use it. after all, it's a conversation which was state by the secret agencies. and

then the doctor did, you know, you know, now if you, if, if, if the dave, your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence, you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape but so, so no. when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then there were, you know, you can easy doctorate, but the point is i made that cipher public i and michael of course, a good polish of what was it? a, a b, exactly. correspondence because it's a secret goal, but we put that cipher in front of a cabinet us national security council by his son officially demolish the u. s. went into very and, and, and done an offense. so that is the cipher. but later on we discovered it, but the what you would have for him to we discovered that it was own ami chief who

was, can been in speech, who was the man architect of been spotting to remove b, you're talking about generalize him on it. no, no, i'm talking about general budge wise, the ex army chief. ok. he was conspiring, he was getting beat us. he had high to lobby score with santa connie. on up here on my gum and sparrow who was robbing against b washington during the americans. i looked him on when do rush on is on a gordon as if the whole of foreign office all, all the stakeholders were not on board and that was in the cipher today. and he campaigned that him, ron is, and the american and general america. and so therefore, now we just go and then the little boys in against the big light above and good relationship with the trump administration. former prime minister, i'll stop you the more from the 22nd prime minister package on the chem to the p t i. m on con, after this break. ah ah

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ah, welcome back to going undergrad, i'm still here with overthrown by get sunny by minister m ron kon. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories, not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but according to your allegations about the fact you were threatened by consequences. as appearing in that cipher or code, the biden spokesperson, kate bedingfield, is on the record for saying there's absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we way more than a regime jaden bugs on. obviously they were denied, but the factors, the cipher was the ocean conversation between ambassador in washington and on a lou. and that was reported to me. and the exact words were that you should get

rid of your prime minister in a board of your conferences. and surprisingly, the next day, there was a lot of new confidence. well, let's go to the economy then, because you've been talking about the threat to the sovereign debt rating of pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back in power in pakistan? of the of asset budget con, already been in beijing. china giving pakistan $500000000.00 to facilitate it seems a loans possible $1200000000.00 from the u. e, where i'm talking to you from the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in, or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position them, you see from what i can get. i mean, i can only assume this because i have no contact with any of the foreign countries

. so i can see why that order reacting. but i can assume the what is happening is that countries outside bug hassan, financial institutions outside august on and all the businesses will focused on have lost faith in the us government. and why and the last way, because the economy has been so badly managed that we are wanting to the was sick lama crisis in our history. so our, our currency has plunged our growth. it has gone down ah, exports, you know, where to creation. how do you get? well, but producing by exporting, well all you did i want to give is to facilitate the i am floats. surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif, is saying you're derailing your own i m f. program. if you are prime minister, would you just go along with facilitating washington money again? reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you

probably want that washington money would you rather than a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries? oh, object of getting and i'm as ron is a bring lawn until you make your structure changes in your economy. that is supposed to be just a breathing long for you to get on your feet. but you know, that's what the i m f does to go south country. no, i know that's not what the ins does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what we'll be trying to do is give you an example of what we were trying to do. raise your revenues for exports. remittances raise the number of donna's coming in because i am, it only comes in when you have a shortage of dollars or you're going to con, goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and gradually try to squeeze expenditure. this is what happens when a house goes into debt. now, what is happening right now is then when you are exposed to go start going down.

when your remittance has started going on, in other words, you're going to income goes down. you're in deep trouble because you're just taking loans, but you have no capacity to pay them back. if you, unless you grid, where are you going to pay your loss back? this is the crunch we've got stuck, and right now we have all these loans accumulating. we are boring money, which is why the other countries are 11, but i capacity to pay back has been reduced. so who is in control of pakistan that who is in control of those who want to do you harm? well, this government was brought in by the ex army chief that he was the army chief dental model. since then, has been brought up by the stablish, but they're 12, marty scholarship, which is forming this government, which means no one is enjoys. they're all over the place. if the service been withdrew support from his government. if we're going to day, there's nothing to bind it together. it is just the establishment keeping them

together, which is why i'm saying the situation is untenable. at the moment that is so much political uncertainty. no one just the government, the only way forward. a free and fair elections allow government govern which is bumbling mandate. and just by the 30 feet where feet away from me, had he not has put his hand on the gun, it would have it be on the dog body and other people. because he put his hand on the gum and i lost it in my legs. and other people plus it was another shoot in the front. so but it's in the legs, man, i went down and then a bullet on the shooter in front window, the head. since then i've taken precautions. now i speak in front of a bullet proof screen. and i ending precautions because the guys who plan these as a nation, all in power, those who are supposed to defend me are the ones i am in the greatest danger from.

they of course deny that they say they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence then i mean the, the, your children's uncle is the u. k. minister for overseas territories. not gold. now lord goldsmith. he, it's been on this show. why? no. why nothing from him? hello. yeah, the problems in by august on have to be saw by the people by august on harvey. am i going to ask other countries look at him to go? i was, i was asked, he's no, i was wondering why they didn't volunteer to. as you know, nature governments have a lot of talking about different countries in the global south. they just not talking about democracy in pakistan. all i, one of them, you know, countries abroad to talk about other, the greatest violation of human rights sticking base right now in my country. we actually have the worst form of fascism in this country. clam known on media gender has been put into jail. one of our best investigative journalists are chetry,

rounded out in kenya, assassinated more of a top, janice, that left the country and who killed i. shad sheree if you believe it was a that im and you the boss of the i a saudi. i believe it was the same guy that tried to kill me. they would deny that. but you don't have the, the evidence necessarily. whether this is this is a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in dubai. of course, for those who don't know him. so unless you have a proper investigation, how can you find the bruce? and when the investigation was going on, in my case, they came and sat judge all the proofs, this gum, and then destroyed all the, all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed the joint investigating committee. this is, this is completely minister reader. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation was eve, same as with the journalist or surgery his his investigation as i've already been

scuttled. would you do things differently? now i know out influence of con, local p t i, leader in heavily on has been killed this week. members of your party are being killed. would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret service is in pakistan, which you, you after will lead luckiest on these structures. were there on the or leadership look we have and bugging on we have a history, we gain the starter of a security state. we had this big fear of never 7 times our size, which we had a do dick as 3 wars against them. so they will, you know, we, the gundy nasty would have a fear that it by so not exist and you know, because the naval was so huge and therefore it started or has

a security state. and then when i was a politician, most of the army came in and, and both marcia laws, we had 3 much laws out of the last 60 years. ah, we been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still in vol. ring is still hasn't of all property. and we had to let me just can be we had the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again to us more into the security, stayed by the agencies. this, the intelligence agencies play the huge order. so we are now trying to have more of a system. what is that equilibrium at the moment that is going librium at the moment. in this case of this government, it is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing there is a consensus in by august on it is on nuclear weapons because, you know, everyone recognizes that that guarantees are security. so there is

a consensus across body line everyone, everyone august on believes that we must keep them secure there in can you just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years, and yet they are in control of the nuclear weapons. no problems, but between the balance for the military and the civilian relationship. that's where the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear, since i'm concerned there is a consensus august on that we need to look after them and keep them secure by that . because that ensures our security and safety. well, as your family are attacked, as your recovering from being shot says, you're under threat of assassination. how is it to view she, gen ping, visiting moscow and both put in and she, heralding almost a new world order, which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that,

that we've seen since 945. i see, you know, great changes taking place. i mean, of course, china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing countries into blocks. a home just brought together iran in saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best development as far as my son is concerned, because iran is a neighbor and somebody is one of our closest friends for years. so them together, easiest tensions for us. we feel that it's a great step forward. but what i do not want these last developing countries like us, you choose either one side or the other because india has, i must have mine. yes for the policy. their ideal non alignment when they were born,

warren countries when brought to be we don't want to be like we, when the court order aligned with, with a u. s. and therefore, we would not have relationship with the entire central ation blog which was with, with the soviet union. so now i would really like for, but from my son's point of view, we, you know, we need to have trade trade with her on trade with central asia right up to russia . because thus, these are our neighbors in china, of course. and one day i hope that we have read with india and we have a proper relationship with india once. hopefully the spiritual sword. well just very, very briefly. if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged? you is subjected to by the bible administration, would he be overthrown if he wanted to be not aligned, love brother and his brother and officer doughty is that they have billions of dollars lying outside august on and western capital properties. they've got their

garage, oregon, and what is not just bug a sunny politician loose dashed money laundering from the countries and do a western capital and offshore accounts. this is the problem with the most of developing one. and the moment the leadership, as money outside is going to be in the sort of billions of dollars. i'm afraid they can never take independent decisions going on. they have an independent foreign policy for the benefit of their own people. well, of course, all this politicians deny any wrong doing. they're all welcome to come on the show . show my minister american, thank you and that's for the show will be back on monday. meanwhile, you can keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch on or going on, the grantee on rumble dot com to what you handle that sets off going underground. see on monday a ah

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