ah, the term strategic autonomy sounds good. the word strategic conjures up a sense of importance and autonomy presents a sense of independence. but when you consider the french president using this term, they were forced to wonder if he is a serious person. after all, europe is no longer a strategic or economist from corruption to terrorism, with attempts made to arrest and assassinate him. we must tell you that if you're watching this broadcast on saturday, this episode was filmed on wednesday. the 22nd of march 2023, former prime minister and chair of the pakistan to regain self party. iran con, joins me now from law. capital of fungi, province in pakistan. thank you so much. i am on for coming on the show. it's been so long since i interviewed you lost in in london. when you wanted to be prime minister since then,

you've been overthrown. you've been shot and injured. your family has been targeted . our real, are the assassination plot against you right now as we speak the association laws, sir? unfortunately, i real the damn john me. when i was very lucky, i'm lucky to be alive when she put it in my legs. i was wanting for almost 2 months before the attempt. i give the exact manner in which they were gonna try. and as i said it be another blame it on a religious fanatic. but it was all done by a people in the prime minister, they minister and one senior intelligence agency guy. they had planned this murder nation, and i was lucky to be alive. and unfortunately they're still in a position of power. and so therefore, even though the investigation and started but this medication because it was

pointing in the direction of a proper guns therapy on the lines which i had predicted. and therefore they just this is the investigation. so the threat israel because these people are sitting and bala petrified, but if i wouldn't be elections, there would be in trouble or headed accountable. so they have been doing since then, which i will say by the almighty, just in the nickel dime they had to do, but be on $11.00. on saturday there was a problem. i almost walked into the disk drive and the nick of time i got back because they had planned, you know, getting me them. and then i discovered that they were going to do another action against me on wednesday, they were going to do this action where my supporters were there and they were

plunging. people in my support would a fighter, the police and the police would have given my support that eventually come off to me. and so, i mean, it is a difficult time august because we have a government which is a drift. we have a government which cannot then the, when you get on gold, but they get all my situation in the country, which is we're passing through the worst crisis in our history. the was governance system and history. and then we have people who are petrified of elections. so the elections on the 2 men problems that have been announced by the supreme court. on the 30th of april, the better by the elections. my body will sweep them because in order been bullied by bodies boys who wouldn't do the majority focused on pens. they want to get rid of being out of the $37.00 by elections in the last few months. my body has to deal

. so you know, you, the reason you asked me in the beginning, our end of the thread, the thread is ran until the elections because they want that if the election stick come back into power, they wouldn't be held accountable. i'll get to the economy in a moment. is it true that as v t i leader follow shaudra says in the indian papers actually caught up with the story of us, that you are going to be part of multi body negotiations, agreeing on a process when you elections. and does that make any difference as regards yourself? because because you're banned from going for these elections by pakistani authorities. well, i'm not bad at all. but 443 cases against me. 5 by the government. under $43.00, it must be somewhat red color. i remember i've been in the public guy for the last 50 years. i'm the most well known bugs in history and people know me. i have never

broken any law. and suddenly, in the last few months, in trying to remove me from the election raised them 543 cases of all which start from blocks me to sedition. to dare is, most of them are terrorism, will support is in the peace movement in say, nature country say that it was your opposition to drones. things that you've done certainly would have irritated the cia and antony blinking. but what about these gifts that you received from foreign governments? when you a p. m, between 201820? 20. what. what about those judges is $73.00. as of august on history, the law says that when a head of state law, anyone and bower, ministers or army generals, anyone, when they receive gifts, then the law says that you bear a certain amount or do those state. it used to be 20 percent. and my diamond was 50 percent when you paid 50 percent,

the guess for yours to do whatever you want. but guess you did not claim washington and in the market. so this has been the law for 70 years. i and i'm waiting for, does this job. this is a allegation i'm waiting for this to go to court. you would find out and people would find out the only had austin possibly the only had austin who went by the book who declared everything and who made did everything legal is sitting here. well, and of course some i'd say that you appointed people when you were prime minister, that i don't know whether you think they were part of a conspiracy, a former spokesperson, n a d mouth such and why does he saying things like, i was impressed by a emron cons, anti corruption platform was tied to the status quo, but then saw that while con public, we talked about the poor. privately, he surrounded himself with wealthy investors. what, what do you make of that?

and others are that you, you appointed? i mean, you, you appointed people that now criticize you. i'm really disappointed. i went in economic survey of pakistan, unprecedented level rights of the citizens, a quite his statement and don bass. and there's been very little support for you from washington. but on the other hand, you've tempered your initial charges that washington was, are the soul a conspirator to of the qu, that you allege when my gunman was removed. so just to give your, he was exactly what happened. a cipher which is a, which is a correspondence from our ambassador in washington with his conversation with the american under secretary of state of south asia. it was a recorded ah conversation in terms that it was there were no diggers on board side . so it was an official meeting. this is donald blu ray, dot antony blinking. sir?

diplomat. yeah. so that, oh god, this one is what is called the cypress seeker correspondence. arrived at the foreign office and at my desk. no, what did it say? daughter louis telling the budget sonny investor that if you do not remove him, ron con, your prime minister and a vote of no confidence, there will be consequences by august on the next. it is a voter. no conferencing is a government that the best economic performers in 70 is, as you know, of as you know now chabarise sharif is saying they have a leak already of you saying we must use this. i mean, that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the biden administration was trying to overthrow you, but it was that true to the audio recording of you saying we must use as one can understand you wanting to use it. after all, it's a conversation which was state by the secret agencies. and

then the doctor did, you know, you know, now if you have, if, if the dave your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence. you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape but so, so no. when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then there were, you know, you can easy doctorate but the point is, i mean that cipher public i and michael of course, a good publish of what was it a, a b, exactly. correspondence because it's a secret goal, but we put that cipher in front of a cabinet us national security council by his son officially demolish the u. s. went into very united to internal affairs. so that is the cipher. but later on we discovered it. but the, what you would have for him to we discovered that it was on army chief who was can

be a guest speaker, who was a man architect of conspiring to remove b. you're talking about generalize him, annette. no, no, i'm talking about general budge wise. the ex army chief, ok. he was conspiring, he was getting beat us. he had high to lobby score with santa connie, on up here on my government's barrel, who was robbing against b. washington during the americans. a look. enron went to rush on his own or gotten as if the whole of foreign office on all the stakeholders were not on board. and that was in the cipher today. and he campaigned that him, ron is andy american, and general america. and so therefore, now we did go and then they were boys in against the big light above. good relationship with the trump administration. form of i minister, i'll stop you. the more from the 22nd prime minister pockets on the chairman of the p t i. m on con up to this, sprague ah ah

ah, working together with ah, welcome back to going undergrad, i'm still here with overthrown pakistani prime minister. emron con. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories, not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but

according to your allegations, about the fact you were threatened by consequences, as appearing in that cipher or code, the biden spokesperson. and kate bedingfield is on the record to saying there is absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we way more than a regime jayden august on. obviously they were denied, but the factors, the side for was the ocean conversation between ambassador in washington and on a lou. and that was reported to me and the exact words were that you should get out of your prime minister in a board of your conferences. and surprisingly, the next day there was a lot of new confidence. well, let's go to the economy then, because you've been talking about the threat to the sovereign debt rating of pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back empower in

pakistan of the of asset budget. the con, already been in bay. jing of china giving pakistan $500000000.00 to facilitate it. seems a loans possible 1200000000 dollars from the u e, where i'm talking to from, in the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in, or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position? you see from what i can get. i mean, i can only assume this because i have no contact with any of the foreign countries . so i can see why there are reacting, but i can assume the what is happening is the ganges outside bancwest on financial institutions outside burgersson and all the businesses will august on have lost faith in the us government. and why? and the last with, because the economy has been so badly managed that we are wanting to the was the

clomid crisis and i history. so ira guarantee has plunged our growth rate has gone down, ah, exports, you know, where to creation, how do you get? well, but producing by exporting, well all you did i want to give is to facilitate the i'm floats. surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif is saying you're derailing your own i m f program. if you a prime minister, would you just go along with facilitating washington money again? reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you probably want that washington money, would you rather than a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries oh, object of getting and i'm as ron is a bridging lawn until you make your structural changes in your economy. that is supposed to be just a breathing long for you to get on your feet. but you know, that's no one of the i m f does to global south country. no,

i know that's not what the i'm it does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what we'll be trying to do is give you an example of what we were trying to do. raise your revenues, so exports remittances raise the number of donna's coming in because i am, it only comes in when you have a shortage of dollars or you're going to con, goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and gradually try to squeeze expenditure. this is what happens when a house goes into debt. now, what is happening right now is then when you are exports go start going down. when your remittance to start going down, in other words, you're gonna income goes down. you're in deep trouble because you're just taking loans, but you have no capacity to pay them back. if you've, unless you grid, where are you going to pay your loss back? this is the crunch we've got stuck, and right now we have all these loans accumulating. we are boring money, which is why the other countries are 11,

but i capacity to pay back has been reduced. so who is in control of pakistan that who is in control of those who want to do you harm? well, this government was brought in by the ex army chief that he was the army chief general module since then has been brought up by the stablish. but they're 12 parties, scholarship, which is forming this government, which means no one is enjoys. they're all over the place. if the establishment withdrew support from his government. if we're going to day, there's nothing to bind it together. it is just the stat richmond keeping them together, which is why i'm saying the situation is untenable. at the moment, there is so much political uncertainty, no one trust the government, the only way for a free and fair elections allow a government government, which is public mandate. the confidence of the people. that is a government then which can start restructuring the economy,

making difficult joyce's, you know, difficult decisions and, and only a government public mandate can get us out of this mess. and many say that you are the most popular politician in pakistan. you obviously won the majority of the votes in 2018, but you also know the history of assassinations of pakistani leaders. he still refusing personal bodyguards. i was as the assassination attend when i was extremely lucky to be alive. this young man, when he saw him draw her gun just by the 30 feet where feet away from me. had he not has put his hand on the gun. it wouldn't be on the dog body and other people because he put his hand on the gum and the last that it hit my legs and other people plus it was another shooter in the front. so, but it's in the legs, man. i went down and then a bullet from the shooter in front window,

the head since then i've taken precautions. now i speak in front of a bullet proof screen, and i am doing pretty good because the guy who planned these as a nation all in power laws who are supposed to defend me are the ones i am in the greatest danger from. they of course deny that they say they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence. then i mean the, the, your children's uncle is the you. you came in for overseas territories, not gold. now lord goldsmith, he, it's been on this show. why? no. why nothing from him? look here, the problems in pakistan have to be solved by the people by gast, on hardy. am i going to ask other countries look and you know, i was, i was ask is no, i was wondering why they didn't volunteer to. as you know, nature governments have a lot of talking about different countries in the global south. they just not talking about democracy in pakistan. all,

i'm one of the countries of raw to talk about other, the greatest violation of human rights sticking base right now. and i'm my country . we actually have the worst form of fascism in this country, glam known on media gender has been put into jail. one of our best investigative journalists, our century founded out killing kenya, assassinated or a hot dog. dennis had left the country and who killed i. shad sharif, you believe it was a that he him and you to boss of the i a saudi. i believe it was the same guy that tried to kill me. they would deny that. but you don't have the the evidence necessarily? well, this is, this is a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in dubai. of course, for those who don't know him. so unless you have a proper investigation, how can you find the bruce? and when the investigation was going on, in my case, they came and savage, all the proofs. this gum and vendors destroyed all the,

all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed the joint investigating committee. this is, this is completely minister redone. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation was eve, same as when the jealous of chetry has his investigation as i've already been scuttled. would you do things differently? now i know out influence of con, local p t i, leader in the have alien, has been killed this week. members of your party are being killed or would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret service is in pakistan, which you, you after will lead luckiest on these structures were there on the or leadership. good luck we have and budget on. we have a history. we gave the starter of a security state. we had this big fear of never 7 times our size,

which we had a due dic as 3 wars against them. so they will, you know, we, the gundy naturally would have a fear that it might so not exist, you know, because the naval was so huge and therefore it started off as a security state. and then when i was a politician, most of the army came in and, and both marcia laws, we had 3 much laws out of the last 60 years. ah, we've been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still in vol ring, it still hasn't of all property. and we have, let me just can be, we have the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again, to us more into the security, stayed by the agencies that the intelligence agencies play the huge order. so we are now trying to have all of a system. what is that equilibrium at the moment is going librium at the moment. in

this case of this government is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing that is a consensus in by august on it is on nuclear weapons because, you know, everyone recognizes that that guarantees are security. so there is a consensus across body line everyone, everyone august on believes that we must keep them secure there. and can you just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years, and yet they're in control of the nuclear weapons. no problems, but between the the, the balance for the military and the civilian relationship. that's where the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear, that concerned there's a consensus august on that we need to look after them and get them secure better because that ensures our security and safety. well, as your family are attacked,

as your recovering from being shot says, you're under threat of assassination. how is it to view she, gen ping, visiting moscow and both put in and she, heralding almost a new world order, which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that, that we've seen since 945. i see, you know, great change is taking place. i mean, of course the china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing godrays into last a home. john, i brought together iran in saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best developments as far as my son is concerned, because iran is a neighbor and somebody is one of our closest friends for years. so them together, easy tensions for us. we feel that it's a great step over him,

but i do not want these last developing countries like us. you choose either one side or the other because india has i must have mine. yes. for the policy. their ideal non alignment when they were born, warren countries, when rocks, india sort of standards in the making itself a country which is non aligned and, and their voice intent relationship. but everyone and that's what i want my son to be. we don't want to be like we were in the cold water line, but with the u. s. and therefore we cannot have relationship with the entire central asian blog, which was the, the, with the soviet union. so now i would really like, for, from my son's point of view, we, you know, we need to have trade trade with her on train with central asia right up to russia because thus these are our neighbors and china, of course. and one day i hope that we have read with india and we have

a proper relationship with india once. hopefully the spiritual sword. well just very, very briefly. if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged? you is subjected to by the biden administration, would he be overthrown? if he wanted to be not aligned, he will love bravo, shavon. she said, his brother and also your daughter is that they have billions of dollars lying outside august on and western capital properties. they've got their garage, oregon, and what it is, not just bug a sunny, bought a dish loose dashed money, laundry from the countries and do a western capital and offshore accounts. this is the problem with the most of the developing world. and the moment, the leadership as money outside this country and the sort of billions of dollars, i'm afraid they can never take independent decisions. you know, they have an independent foreign policy for the benefit of their own people. well,

of course, all those politicians deny any wrong doing. they're all welcome to come on the show . show my prime minister, american. thank you and that's over the show will be back on monday. mean, well, you can keep in touch my role as social media. if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch, i know going on the grantee on rumble dot com to watch new handle that fits of going underground. see on monday a ah, [000:00:00;00] with

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