all during ramadan apiece, the situation was constantly escalating and your sudanese friends asked us to stay home and we thank the palestinian embassy, the presidency of the state of palestine in all the countries and organizations that were involved in our evacuation. but we did not ask for that because we know our state's capabilities limited. so we thank them very much for taking this step. as the situation was really tough enough, we the children of garza, the children of wool. we have lived through the scouts of violence before what we know really well how people suffer and how they need humanitarian aid for that. we've experienced war, but this situation in saddam is different. we were confident that we would be evacuated, but we still fear for the lives of our sudanese friends who was still that would impact on my story, continues online right now at r t dot com, but also across the plethora of auntie telegram channels as well. well, for me, real research i and all of us here. thanks for joining us for this house program. please do return at the top of the hour. ah,

the germ strategic autonomy sounds good. the word strategic conjures up a sense of importance and autonomy presents a sense of independence. but when you consider the french president using this term, then we are forced to wonder if he is a serious person after all, europe is no longer strategic or economists. ah, i'm ashen wright's antsy and welcome to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from dubai in the u. a. in today's very special episode were joined by the democratically elected 22nd prime minister of pakistan. imran khan, overthrown one year ago,

ostensibly by the country's national assembly. since he was overthrown, he has been short, as well as charged with dozens of crimes from corruption to terrorism, with attempts made to arrest and assassinate him. we must tell you that if you're watching this broadcast on saturday, this episode was filmed on wednesday. the 22nd of march 2023, former prime minister and chair of the pockets santa rica in south party in oregon, joins me now from law, whole capital of fungi, province in pakistan. thank you so much. i am ron for coming on the show. it's been so long since i interviewed you lost in, in london. when you wanted to be prime minister since then, you've been overthrown. you've been shot and injured. your family has been targeted . our real law, the assassination plots against you. right now as we speak. b as a solution. broad sir, unfortunately i rail the dent on me when i was very lucky. i'm lucky to be alive when she put it in my legs. i was wanting for almost 2 months before the

attempt. i gave the exact manner in which they were gonna try and necessitated b and other blame it on a religious fanatic. but it was all done by a people in the prime minister. they did minister and one senior intelligence agency guy, and they had planned this murder nation, and i was lucky to be alive and unfortunately they're still in a position of power. and so therefore, even though the investigation and started, but this got really messed again because it was pointing in the direction of a proper conspiracy along the lines which i predicted. and therefore they just, they said, what does the investigation? so try to israel because these people are sitting and follow the petrified. but if

i wouldn't the elections there would be in trouble. well headed accountable. so they have been doing since then, which i will say by the almighty, just in the nickel dime they had to do, but be on 11 on saturday, there was a problem. did i almost walked into the drug and the nick of time. i got back because they had planned, you know, getting me them. and then i discovered that they were going to do another action. i guess i'm, i'm in on wednesday they were going to do this action where my supporters were there and they were planting people in my supporters would have fired the police, and the police in their delegation would have given my support that eventually come off to me so, i mean there is a difficult time in august because we have a government which is address, we have a government which cannot then the would get on go,

but they could make situation in the country, which is we're passing through the worst crisis in history. the was governance system and history, and then we have people who are petrified of elections. so the elections on the 2 men problems that have been announced by the supreme court. on the 30th of april, the petrified elections. my body will sweep them because in order been bullied by bob bodies, boys to do the majority of august and then want to get rid of it out of the $37.00 by elections in the last few months. my body has swept 30 of them. so you know, you, the reason you asked me in the beginning how red is a threat. the thread is ran until the elections because they want that if the election stick because i come back into bala, they will be held accountable. i'll get to the economy in a moment. is it true that as b g, i lead a fall? george, he says, in the indian papers actually called up the story of us,

that you are going to be part of multi body negotiations, agreeing on a process when you elections. and does that make any difference as regards yourself? because because you're banned from going for these elections by pakistani authorities. well, i'm not bad at all. but 443 cases against me. 5 by the government. under $43.00, it must be somewhat red color. i remember i've been in the public for the last 50 years. i'm the most well known bugs in history and people know me. i have never broken any law. and suddenly, in the last few months, in trying to remove be from the election, raise them $543.00 cases of all which start from last me to sedition, to dare is most of them are terrorism. will support is in the peace movement in say,

nature, countries say that it was your opposition to drones. things that you've done certainly would have irritated the cia and antony blinking. but what about these gifts that you received from foreign governments? when you a p. m, between 201820. 22. what do you? what about those judges is 75 years of pakistan. history. the law says that when a head of state law, anyone in bower, ministers, all army generals, only one when they receive gifts, then the law says that you bear a certain amount or do those state. it used to be 20 percent, and my diamond was 50 percent. when you paid 50 percent, the guests were yours to do whatever you want. the guess you did not claim washington and in the market. so this has been the law for 70 years. i and i'm waiting for, does this job, this is a allegation i'm waiting for this to go to court. you would find out and people

would find out the only had austin possibly the only hosted who went by the book who declared everything and who did everything legal is sitting here. well, of course some i'd say that you appointed people when you were prime minister. that i don't know whether you think they were part of. i was impressed by a emron cons. anti corruption platform was tied to the status quo, but then saw that well, con, publicly talked about the poor. privately, he surrounded himself with wealthy investors. what, what do you make of that? and others are that you, you appointed, you appointed people that now criticize you. this guy came from one of the party joined me before 2000 elections. and then he lost elections. and so as a consolation, i gave him some advice issue and then he went back to the party to the body game from so when he, when you go back, what are you going to say?

why, why did you leave your body? you know, why are you back? what else is you going to say? i'm really disappointed. i thought this was this. i mean, you know, these are politicians. what are they going to say? remember, the only government that has been removed and i, history and not removed for corruption was my government. when my government was removed, in 17 years, we had the best economic performance. and that's documented in economics avail, focused on an annual report published on the economy published by this government. so it has the best economic record in 70 years and was not removed on corruption. obviously that severe be disputed by the opposition. you tweeted on sunday. fascism is at unprecedented levels under the premiership of your successor. noah's shrieks brother shabazz. um does that include the ios? i boss nadeem and u. z. a fascist. and what is the role of the military here because to have fascism,

you need a strong military. are you saying that there are others beside the prime minister, the new prime minister that are part of fascism in modern day pakistan? never in a democratic government and have a fundamental rights of the citizens, a democratic rights? never the freedom of speech. never has it been so much as stig, right. as right now, i mean, all these rights have disappeared, but his son is passing through the worst human right catastrophe. in a democratic history. yes. in some military dictatorships, there was probably similar circumstances, but in general motions dictatorship, it was liberal compared to what we are going to right now. well that's, that's obviously quite a crisis statement. have you had any or any contact with us authorities because the optics of your overthrow were that you were with vladimir putin as the

response by russia to nature provocation as russia. so it had happened in don bass, and there's been very little support for you from washington. but on the other hand, you've tempered your initial charge is that washington was, or the sole conspirator to of the qu, that you allege when my gunman was removed. so just to give you a, he was exactly what happened, a cipher which is of which is a correspondence from our ambassador in washington. with his conversation with the american under secretary of state of south asia. it was a recorded a conversation in terms that it was there were no takers on both sides. so it was an official meeting. this is donald blu ray, dot antony blinking sir? diplomat. yeah. so that, oh gosh. one is what is called the cypress secret correspondence. arrived at the

foreign office and at my desk. no, what did it say? daughter louis, telling the buggy sunny investor that if you do not remove him, ron con, your prime minister and a vote of no confidence, there will be consequences of by august on the next. it is a vote of no confidence against the government that had the best economic performance in 70 years. as you know, as you know now, shabbas sharif is saying they have a leak already of you saying we must use this. i mean, that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the biden administration was trying to overthrow you, but it was that true to the audio recording of you saying we must use as one can understand you wanting to use it. after all, it's a conversation which was date by the secret agencies. and then the doctor did, you know, you know, now if you, if, if,

if the day of your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence, you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape, but so, so no. when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then there were, you know, you can easy doctorate but the point is, i mean that cipher public i and michael i of course a good polish of what was it? a of the, the exactly correspondence because it's a secret goal, but we put that cipher in front of our cabinet. us national security council by his son officially demolish the u. s. y, interfering and internal affairs. so that is the cipher. but later on we discovered it with what you were referring to. we discovered that it was our own army chief who was camping is phoebe, who was the main architect of conspiring to remove b. you're talking about generalize him an air?

no, no, i'm talking you my general badge. why is the ex army chief ok? he was conspiring. he was telling b. u. s. he had high to lobby score. lasana connie, on up here on my gum and spare all who was loving against feel. washington, during the americans, i looked him on when do rush on is on a gordon as if the whole of foreign office. so all the stakeholders were not on board and that was in the cipher today. and he campaign that him, ron is and the american and general america. and so therefore, now we just go and then they were boys in against me because i had above a good relationship with the trump administration. form of i'm in the sunny 2nd prime minister pockets on a chem to the p t. i am on con after this break. ah, welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with overthrown by get sunny by minister enron con. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories,

not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but according to your allegations about the fact you were threatened by consequences. as appearing in that cipher or code, the biden spokesperson, kate bedingfield, is on the record to saying there's absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we were involved in a regime jayden august on. obviously they were denied, but the factors, the cipher was the ocean conversation between ambassador in washington and on a lou. and that was reported to me. and the exact words were that you should get rid of your prime minister in a board of nor conference. and surprisingly, the next day, there was a lot of new confidence. well, let's go to the economy then, because you've been talking about the threat to the sovereign debt rating of

pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back in power in pakistan? of the of asset budget con, already been in bay. jing of china giving packets on $500000000.00 to facilitate it seems a loans possible $1200000000.00 from the u. e, where i'm talking to from, in the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in, or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position? you see from what i can get. i mean, i can only assume this because i have no contact with any of the foreign countries . so i can see why there are reacting, but i can assume the what is happening is that countries outside bancwest on financial institutions outside burgersson and all the businesses will august on have lost faith in the us government. and why and the last with,

because the economy has been so badly managed that we are wanting to, the was take longer prices in history. so our, our currency is plunged. our growth rate has gone down. ah, exports, you know, where to creation? how do you get? well, but producing by exporting, well, all you did i want to give is to facilitate the i'm floats. surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif, is saying you're derailing your own i m f program. if you a prime minister would you just go along with facilitating washington money again? reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you probably want that washington money would you rather than a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries? oh, object of getting and i'm as lawn is a bridging lawn until you make your structural changes in your economy. that is supposed to be just to bring lawn for you to get on your feet. but you know,

that's not what the i m f does to global south country, and i know that's not what the i m f does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what we'll be trying to do is give you an example all what we were trying to do is your revenues to expose remittances. raise the number of donors coming in because i am, it only comes in when you have a shortage of dollars, or you're going to con, goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and gradually try to squeeze expenditure. this is what happens when a house goes into debt. now, what is happening right now is that when you are exposed, go start going down. when your remittance has started going down, in other words, you're gonna income goes down. you're in deep trouble because you're just taking loans, but you have no capacity to pay them back. if you go, unless you grid, where are you going to pay your loss back? this is the crunch we've got stuck in right now. we have all these loans

accumulating, we are boring money, which is why the other countries are reluctant, but i capacity to pay back is being reduced. so who is in control of pakistan that who is in control of those who want to do you harm? well, this government was brought in by the ex army chief that he was the army chief general model since then has been brought up by the stablish. but they're 12 parties, scholarship, which is forming this government, which means no one is enjoys. they're all over the place. if the establishment withdrew support from his government. if we're going to day, there's nothing to bind it together. it is just the stablish been keeping them together, which is why i'm saying the situation is untenable. at the moment, there is so much political uncertainty, no one just the government, the only way for a free and fair elections allow government government, which is public mandate. the confidence of the people. that is the government then,

which can start restructuring the economy, making difficult choices, you know, difficult decisions and, and only a government public mandate can get us out of this mess. and many say that you are the most popular politician in pakistan. you obviously won the majority of the votes in 2018, but you also know the history of assassinations of pakistani leaders. he still refusing personal bodyguards. i was as the assassination of them when i was extremely lucky to be like this young man when he saw i'm drawing a gun just by the 30 feet where feet away from me. had he not has put his hand on the gun, it would have it be on the dog body and other people because he put his hand on the government, lost it in my legs and other people. plus there was another shooter in the front. so, but it's in the legs, man,

i went on and then the from the shooter in front window, the head. since then i have taken precautions. now i speak in front of a bullet proof screen, and i am taking precautions because the guy who planned the solution all in power laws were supposed to defend me are the ones i am in the greatest danger from. they of course deny that they say they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence. then i mean the, the am your children's uncle is the you you came in is to for overseas territory is not gold. now, lord goldsmith by no. why nothing from him or other the greater the evidence assert? well, this is, this is a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in dubai. of course, for those who don't know him. so unless you have a proper investigation, how can you find the bruce? and when the investigation was going on, in my case, they came and savage,

all the proofs, this gum and then destroyed all the, all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed the joint investigating committee this. this is completely minister redone. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation was eve, same as when the journalist are sure to read his his investigation as i've already been scuttled. would you do things differently? now i know out influence of con, local p t i, leader in the have alien, has been killed this week. members of your party are being killed or would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret services in pakistan which you you after will lead pakistan. these structures were there on the or leadership. good luck we have and budget on. we have a history, we gave the starter of the security state. we had this big fear of never 7

times our size, which we had a do dick as 3 wars against them. so they will, you know, we, the gundy naturally would have a fear that it, by so not exist, you know, because the never was so huge and therefore it started off as a security state. and then when i was a politician, most of the army came in and, and both marcia laws, we had 3 much lost out of the last 60 years. ah, we've been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still in vol. ring is still hasn't of all property, but, and we have our own, let me just can be we have the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again, to us more into the security state with the agencies, this is the intelligence agencies play the huge order. so we are now trying to have all of a system. what is that equilibrium at the moment is going librium at the moment. in

this case of this government, it is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing that is a consensus in bygone is on nuclear weapons because, you know, everyone recognizes that that guarantees us security. so there is a consensus across body line everyone, everyone august on believes that we must keep them secure there. and can you just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years, and yet they're in control of the nuclear weapons. no problems, but between the the balance for the military and the civilian relationship. that's where the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear, since i'm concerned there is a consensus august on that we need to look after them and get them secure better because that shows our security and safety. well, as your family are attacked,

as you are recovering from being shot as you're under threat of assassination, how is it to view she gen ping, visiting moscow and both put in and she, heralding almost a new world order which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that, that we've seen since $945.00. i see, you know, great changes taking place. i mean, of course, of china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing countries into blocks. a home just brought together iran in saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best developments as far as my son is concerned, because iran is a neighbor and somebody is one of our closest friends for years. so them together

eases tensions for us. we feel that it's a great step over him, but i do not want these blas developing countries like us. you choose either one side or the other because india has i must have mine. yes. for the policy. their ideal non alignment when they were born, warren countries, when rocks, india sort of standards in the making itself a country which is non aligned and, and their voice intent relationship. but everyone and that's what i want my son to be. we don't want to be like we were in the cold warrior lined with, with a u. s. and therefore we could not have relationship with the entire central ation blog which was with, with the soviet union. so now i would really like for, but from my son's point of view, we, you know, we need to have trade trade with her on train with central asia right up to russia because thus, these are our neighbors in china, of course. and one day i hope that we have trade with india and we have

a proper relationship with india once, hopefully like a spiritual sort. well, just very, very briefly, if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged you is subjected to by the by administration. would he be overthrown? if he wanted to be not aligned? willow bravo shabazz sheaf and his brother and austin doughty is that they have billions of dollars lying outside august on and western capital properties they've got their garage sure a guns and what is not just bug a sunny bought a dish to lose dashed money, laundry from the countries and do a western government and offshore accounts. this is the problem with the most of developing world. and the moment, the leadership, as money outside this country and the sort of billions of dollars. i'm afraid they can never take independent decisions going on. they have an independent foreign

policy for the benefit of their own people. well, of course all those politicians deny any wrong doing. they're all welcome to come on the show. show my prime minister, american. thank you and that's over the show will be back on monday. mean, well, you can give the judge my role as social media if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch and going on, the grantee on rumble dot com to watch new and all that fits of going underground c . on monday, with the headlines on our team to national us, moscow claims a large stock pile of ukrainian air defense rockets has been destroyed. as russia lodges multiple missiles stripes on key targets. new delhi called out kia for

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