in today's very special episode, we're joined by the democratically elected 22nd prime minister of pakistan. im run con, overthrown one year ago, ostensibly by the country's national assembly. since he was overthrown, he has been shot as well as charged with dozens of crimes from corruption to terrorism, with attempt made to arrest and assassinate him. we must tell you that if you're watching this broadcast on saturday, this episode was filmed on wednesday. the 22nd of march 2023, former prime minister and chair of the pakistan to re k and soft party iran con, joins me now from law. capital of fungi, province in pakistan. thank you so much i you know, you know, now if you, if, if that dave, your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence. you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape but so, so not when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then they were easy. doctorate, but the point is i made that cipher public i and my

good. i've caused a good polish of what was in the the exactly correspondence because it's a secret gone. but we put that cipher in front of our a cabinet us national security council by his son officially to march the u. s. y, interfering and, and, and done affairs. so that is the cipher. but later on we discovered it. but the, what you were referring to, we discovered that it was own army chief who was can be a guest speaker, who was the main architect of conspiring to remove b. you're talking about generalize him an air? no, no, i'm talking about general budge wise, the ex army chief. ok. he was conspiring, he was getting the u. s. he had hired a lobby scholar, lasana connie on up here on my going to payroll, who was rolling against the washington building the americans. i looked him on when do rush on is on a gordon as if the whole of foreign office all,

all the stakeholders were not on board and that was in the cipher to and he can pin that iran is n d american and general america. and so therefore, now we just go and then the little boys in against the big line above and good relationship with the trump administration. former prime minister, i'll stop you the more from the 22nd prime minister pockets on the chairman of the p t. m. on con, up to this break. ah ah, the term strategic economy sounds good. the word strategic conjures up a sense of importance and economy presents a sense of independence. but when you consider the french president using this term, they were forced to wonder if he is a serious person, after all, europe is no longer strategic or economist.

oh, canada is outsourced, its foreign policy to washington. and washington's agenda is one of global hegemony . washington will not tolerate, and i think that they're not even not even subtle about this. you know, they're, they will not tolerate a global rival. ah, ah, welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with overthrown by august sunny by minister imran con. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories, not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but according to your allegations about the fact you were threatened by consequences. as appearing in that cipher or code, the biden spokesperson, kate bedingfield,

is on the record to saying there is absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we way more than a regime jane and bugs on. obviously there were denied, but the factors, the side for was the ocean conversation between ambassador in washington and on a lou. and that was reported to me and the exact words were that you should get rid of your prime minister in a board of your conferences. and surprisingly, the next day there was a lot of new confidence. well, let's go to the economy then, because you've been talking about the threat to the sovereign debt rating of pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back from power in pakistan of the of asset budget con, already been in bay. jing of china giving pakistan $500000000.00 to facilitate it.

seems a loans possible 1200000000 dollars from the u e, where i'm talking to from, in the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in, or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position them you see from what i can get. i mean, i can only assume this because i have no contact with any of the foreign countries . so i can see why that order reacting, but i can assume the what is happening is the ganges outside august on financial institutions outside pakistan. and all the businesses will focused on have lost faith in the us government. and why and the last way, because the economy has been so badly managed that we are wanting to the was sick lama crisis in our history. so our, our currency is plunged. our growth rate has gone down. ah, exports, you know,

where creation, how do you get? well, but producing by exporting, well all you did i want to give is to facilitate the i'm floats. surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif, is saying you're derailing your own i m f. program if you are prime minister, would you just go along with facilitating washington money again? her reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you probably want that washington money would you rather than a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries the whole object of getting an i'm as lawn is a bridging lawn until you make your structural changes in your economy. that is supposed to be just a breathing long for you to get on your feet. but you know, that's not what the i m f does to global south country. no, i know that's not what the i m f does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what will be trying to do is give you an example all what we were trying to do. raise your revenues,

so exports remittances raise the number of donna's coming in because i am, it only comes in when you have a shortage of dollars or you're going to con, goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and gradually try to squeeze expenditure. this is why this isn't trying to, we've got one just to government the only with petition in pakistan. you obviously won the majority of the votes in 2018, but you also know the history of assassinations, of pakistani leaders. he is still refusing personal, but he guards. i was as the assassination of them when i was extremely lucky to be alive. this young man, when he saw him draw a gun just by the 30 feet where feet away from me. had he not has put his hand on the gun. it wouldn't be on the dog body and other people because he put his hand on the gun in the last minute it hit my legs and other people plus it was another

shooter in the front. so, but it's in the legs, man. i went down and then a bullet from the shooter in front window, the head since then i've taken precautions. now i speak in front of a bullet proof screen and i am digging because because the guy who planned the solution all in power laws were supposed to defend me are the ones i am in the greatest danger from. they of course deny that they say they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence. then i mean the, the am your children's uncle is the u. k. minister for overseas territories? not gold. now, lord goldsmith. he, it's been on this show. why? no. why nothing from him? look here, the problems in pakistan has to be solved by the people by gast, on harvey. am i going to ask other countries look and you know, i was, i was asking, no, i was wondering why they didn't volunteer to as you know,

nature governments have a lot of talking about different countries in the global south. they just not talking about democracy in pakistan. all, i'm one of the countries of raw to talk about other, the greatest violation of human rights sticking base right now in my country. we actually have the worst form of fascism in this country, glam known on media journalist being put into jail. one of our best investigative journalists are chetry, rounded out in kenya, assassinated more of a top. dennis had left the country and who killed i? shad sharif. you believe it was a that he, him and you the boss of the i a saudi. i believe it was the same guy that tried to kill me. they would deny that. but you don't have the, the evidence necessarily. whether this is, this is a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in dubai. of course, for those who don't know him. so unless you have a proper investigation,

how can you find the proofs and when the investigation was going on, in my case, they came and sat judge on the bruce. this government then destroyed all the, all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed the joint investigating committee this. this is completely minister redone. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation was eating. same as with the jealous i should treat his his investigation as i've already been scuttled. would you do things differently? now, i know at implements of con, local p t i, leader in the have alien, has been killed this week. members of your party are being killed or would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret services in pakistan which you you after will lead luckiest on these structures. were there on the or leadership? good look, we have an august on we have a history. we gave the starter of

a security state. we had this big fair off of nebo. 7 times our size. which beard ado dick is 3 wars against them. so they will, you know, we, the gun do naturally would have a fear that it, by so not exist and, you know, because the naval was so huge and therefore it started off as a security state. and then when i was a politician, most of the army came in and and boz marsha laws, we had 3 much lost out of the last 60 years ah, we've been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still in vol. ring is still has it all properly and we have a limit as can be we had the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again, to us more into the security stand by the agencies as the intelligence agencies

played a huge order. so we are now trying to have more of a system. what is that equilibrium at the moment is going librium at the moment. in this case of this government, it is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing that is a consensus in by august on it is on nuclear weapons because, you know, everyone recognizes that that guarantees are security. so there is a consensus across body line everyone, everyone august on believes that we must keep them secure there. and can you just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years, and yet they're in control of the nuclear weapons. no problems, but between the the, the balance for the military and the civilian relationship. that's where the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear, that concerned there's

a consensus august on that we need to look after them and keep them secure by that . because that ensures our security and safety. well, as your family are attacked as your recovering from being shot as your under threat of assassination, how is it to view she gen ping, visiting moscow and both put in and she, heralding almost a new world order which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that, that we've seen since $945.00. i see, you know, great changes taking place. i mean, of course, in china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing countries into blocks. a home john, i brought together iran in saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best developments as far as body side is concerned, because iran is

a neighbor and somebody is one of our closest friends for years. so them together eases tensions for us. we feel that it's a great step over him, but i do not want these blocks developing countries like us. you choose either one side or the other because india has i must have mine. yes. for the policy. their ideal non alignment when they were born, warren countries, when rocks, india sort of steered, is in the making itself a country which is non aligned and, and their voice intent relationship. but everyone, and that's what i want my son to be. we don't want to be like we were in the cold water line with us. and therefore we cannot have relationship with the entire central asian blog, which was the, the, with the soviet union. so now i would really like, for, from my son's point of view, we, you know, we need to have trade trade with her on trade with central asia right up to russia

because thus these are our neighbors and china, of course. and one day i hope that we have trade with india and we have a proper relationship with india once. hopefully the spiritual sword. well just very, very briefly. if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged? you as subjected to by the by been administration. would he be overthrown if he wanted to be not aligned he will love bravo shabba. she said his brother and austin doughty, is that they have billions of dollars lying outside august on and western capital properties. they've got them, but offshore, a gods. and what is not just by august sunny politicians who stashed money laundering from their countries and do a western governance and offshore accounts. this is the problem with the most of developing one and the moment, the leadership, as money outsiders gundy and the sort of billions of dollars. i'm afraid they can

never take independent decisions. they can, are they have an independent foreign policy for the benefit of their own people? well, of course, all this politicians deny any wrong doing. they're all welcome to come on the show . show my prime minister, american. thank you and that's over the show will be back on monday. meanwhile, you can keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch. i know going on the grantee on rumble dot com to watch new and old upsets of going underground. see on monday a ah ah

ah ah, for the term strategic autonomy sounds good. the word strategic conjures up a sense of importance and autonomy presents a sense of independence. but when you consider the french president using this term, then we are forced to wonder if he is a serious person after all, europe is no longer strategic or autonomy ah, ah,

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