[000:00:00;00] ah, i'm ashen wright's antsy and welcome to going underground, broadcasting all around the world, from dubai in the u. a. in today's very special episode were joined by the democratically elected 22nd prime minister of pakistan. imran khan, overthrown one year ago, ostensibly by the country's national assembly. since he was overthrown, he has been short, as well as charged with dozens of crimes from corruption to terrorism, with attempts made to arrest and assassinate him. we must tell you that if you're watching this broadcast on saturday, this episode was filmed on wednesday. the 22nd of march 2023, former prime minister and chair of the pakistan to regain south party in oregon,

joins me now from the whole capital of fun. job province in pakistan. thank you so much. i am on for coming on the show. it's been so long since i interviewed you lost in in london. when you wanted to be prime minister since then, you've been overthrown. you've been shot and injured. your family has been targeted . our real law, the assassination plot against you. right now as we speak. the association blog, so unfortunately i rail the dent on me when i was very lucky. i'm lucky to be alive. when she put it in my legs. i was wanting for almost 2 months before the i didn't, i give the exact manner in which they were going to try. and as i said, it would be another blame it on a religious fanatic. but it was all done by a people in the prime minister. they did minister and one senior intelligence

agency guy, and they had planned this murder nation, and i was lucky to be alive. and unfortunately they're still in a position of power. and so therefore, even though the investigation and started but this got to lead mr. geisha because it was pointing in the direction of a proper conspiracy along the lines which i predicted. and therefore they just, they said, what does the investigation? so the trenches rel because these people are sitting and follow the petrified. but if i wouldn't the elections there would be in trouble. well headed accountable. so they have been doing since then, which i will say by the almighty, just in the nickel dime they had to do. but be on 11 on saturday there was a problem. did i almost walked into the disk drive and the nick of time i got back

because they had planned to kill me them. and then i discovered that they were going to do another action. i guess. i mean, on wednesday they were going to do this action where my supporters were there and they were planting people in, my supporters would have fired the police, and the police in their delegation would have given my support that eventually come off to me. so, i mean there is a difficult time in august because we have a government which is addressed. we have a government which get on the when you get on a goal, but they could make situation in the country, which is we're passing through the worst crisis in our history. the was governance system and history. and then we have people who are petrified of elections. so the elections on the 2 men problems that have been announced by the supreme board on the 30th of april, the petrified elections. my body will sweep them because an order been bullied by

bodies boys who wouldn't do the majority of august on hand. they want to get rid of me out of the 37 by elections in the last few months. my body a deal. so you know, you, the reason you asked me in the beginning how red is a threat. the thread is ran until the elections because they want that if the election stick come back into power, they will be held accountable. i'll get to the economy in a moment. is it true that as b g i lead father george says in the indian papers actually called up the story of us, that you are going to be part of multi body negotiations, agreeing on the process when your elections and does that make any difference? as regard yourself, because because you're banned from going for these elections by pakistani authorities. well, i'm not bad at all. but 443 cases against me. 5 by the government. under $43.00,

it must be somewhat calm. i remember i have been in the public eye for the last 50 years. i am the most well known bugs in history and people know me. i have never broken any law. and suddenly, in the last few months, in trying to remove me from the election raised them $543.00 cases of all which start from last me to sedition to there is a most of them are terrorism, will support is in the peace movement in say, nature country say that it was your opposition to drones. things that you've done certainly would have irritated the cia and antony blinking. but what about these gifts that you received from foreign governments when you a p. m, between 201820? 22. what do you want about those judges? in 70 years of pakistan? history, the law says that when a head of state or anyone in bower, ministers, all army generals, only one when they receive gifts,

then the law says that you bear a certain amount or do those state. it used to be 20 percent, and my diamond was 50 percent. when you paid 50 percent, the guests were yours to do whatever you want. but guess you did not claim washington and in the market. so this has been the law for 70 years. i and i'm waiting for this job. this is a allegation i'm waiting for this to go to court. you would find out in the people who find out the only had austin possibly the only hosted who went by the book who declared everything and whom it did everything legal is sitting here. well, of course, some i'd say that you appointed people when you were prime minister, that i don't know whether you think they were part of a conspiracy for the spokesperson and edema. so john,

why does he saying things like i was impressed by a emron cons. anti corruption platform was tied to the status quo, but then saw that welcome publicly talked about the poor. privately. he surrounded himself with the wealthy investors. what, what do you make of that? and others are that you, you appointed, you appointed people that now criticize you. this guy came from one of the party, join me before 2000 elections. and then he lost the election. and so as a consolation, i gave him some advice issue. and then he went back to the party to the body game from when he, when you go back, what are you going to say? why, why did you leave your party? you know, why are you back? what else is he going to say? i'm really disappointed. i thought this was this, i mean, you know, these are politicians. what are they going to say? remember, the only government that has been removed in our history and not removed from

corruption was my government. when my government was removed, in 17 years, we had the best economic performance. and that's documented in economics avail, focused on an annual report published on the economy published by this government. so it has the best economic reg bought in 70 years and was not removed on corruption. obviously that's very be disputed by the opposition. you tweeted on sunday. fascism is an unprecedented levels under the premiership of your successor . no us rates, brother shabazz. i'm does that include the ios, i boss nadeem and u. z, a fascist. and what is the role of the military here because to have fascism, you need a strong military. are you saying that there are others beside the prime minister, the new prime minister that are part of fascism in modern day pakistan? never in a democratic government have all funded mental rights of the citizens. a democratic rights?

never freedom of speech. never has it been so much as stig, right. as right now, i mean, all these rights have disappeared, but his son is passing through the worst human right catastrophe. in a democratic history. yes. in some military dictatorships, there was probably similar circumstances. but in general, my sheriff's dictatorship, it was liberal compared to what we are going to right now. well that's, that's obviously quite a, quite his statement. have you had any or any contact with us authorities because the optics of your overthrow were that you with vladimir putin as the response by russia to nature provocation is russia. so it happened in don bass, and there's been very little support for you from washington. but on the other hand, you have tempered your initial charges,

that washington was the sole conspirator to of the qu, that you allege when my government was removed. so just to give you a, he was exactly what happened. a cipher which is of which is a correspondence from our ambassador in washington with his conversation with the american under secretary of state of south asia. it was a recorded a conversation in terms that it was there were no diggers on both sides. so it was an official meeting. this is donald blue, right, dot antony blinking. her diplomat. yeah, so that, oh gosh. one is we're just going the cipher seeker correspondence arrived at the foreign office at my desk. no, what did it say? daughter louis, telling the buggy sunny investor that if you do not remove him, ron con, your prime minister and a vote of no confidence, there will be consequences of august on the next. it is

a vote of no confidence against the government that the best economic performance in 70 is, as you know of as you know now shes sharif is saying they have a leak already of you saying we must use this. i mean, that doesn't necessarily negate the fact that the biden administration was trying to overthrow you, but it was that true to the audio recording of you saying we must use as one can understand you wanting to use it. after all, it's a conversation which was state by the secret agencies. and then the doctor did, you know, you know, now if you have, if, if the day of your conversation, i mean, we're artificial intelligence. you can actually do anything. so the doctor, the conversation, but let me just make it a fake tape but so, so not when i was doctor, there were some things that were right, but then there were, you know, you can easy doctorate. but the point is,

i mean that cipher public i and michael, of course, a good publish of what was it a of the the exactly correspondence because it's a secret goal. but we put that cipher in front of a cabinet us national security council by his son officially demolish the u. s. y, interfering and internal affairs. so that's a cipher. but later on we discovered it with what you would have for him to. we discovered that it was own army chief who was campaign against b, who was a min architect of conspiring to remove b. you're talking about generalize him an air? no, i'm talking about general budge while he's the ex army chief. ok. he was conspiring, he was getting beat us. he had hired a lobbyist or lasana connie on up here on my going to payroll, who was robbing against b washington during the americans. i look in ron, when do rush on is on

a gordon as if the whole of foreign office. so all the stakeholders were not on board and that was in the cipher too. and he campaign that iran is and the american and general america. and so therefore, now we just go and then the little boys in the big line above and good relationship with the trump administration. former prime minister, i'll stop you the more from the 22nd prime minister package on the chem to the p t i. m on con, up to this break. ah ah, the term strategic autonomy sounds good. the word strategic conjures up a sense of importance and autonomy presents a sense of independence. but when you consider the french president using this term, they were forced to wonder if he is a serious person after all,

europe is no longer strategic or economist. ah, welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with overthrown bag. it's sunny by minister m ron con. as you know, the white house has been denying a lot of stories, not least the nord stream destruction story revealed by seymour hersh. but according to your allegations, about the fact you were threatened by consequences, as are appearing in that cipher or code, or the biden spokesperson, kate bedingfield is on the record to saying there is absolutely no truth to that allegation that you made. well, hardly are they going to say that, you know, we were involved in a regime change in bugs on. obviously they were denied, but the factors, the cipher was the omission conversation between ambassador in washington and on

a lou. and that was reported to me and the exact words were that you should get out of your prime minister in a board of your conferences. and surprisingly, the next day there was a lot of new confidence. well, let's go to the economy then, because you've been talking about the threat to the sovereign debt rating of pakistan. why do you believe china is not waiting for you to be back in power in pakistan of the of asset budget that con, already been in bay. jing of china giving packets on $500000000.00 to facilitate it seems a loans possible $1200000000.00 from the u. e, where i'm talking to from, in the kingdom of saudi arabia. why are these countries not reacting more extremely in, or at least in a way that would suit your political parties position? you see from what i can get. i can only assume this because i have no contact with

any of the foreign countries. so i can see why there are reacting, but i can assume the what is happening is that countries outside august on financial institutions outside pakistan and all the businesses will august on have lost faith in the us government. and why and the last with, because the economy has been so badly managed that we are wanting to, the was take longer prices in history. so our, our currency is plunged. our growth rate has gone down. ah, exports, you know, where to creation? how do you get? well, but producing by exporting, well you did, i want to give it to facilitate the i'm floats. surely. i mean that's why the prime minister sharon sharif, is saying you're derailing your own i m f. program if you a prime minister, would you just go along with facilitating washington money again? reports are that the i m f may not be sending the $1100000000.00 trunk. you probably want that washington money, would you rather than

a more independent pakistan with relying on bricks countries? oh, object of getting an i'm as ron is a bridging lawn until you make your structural changes in your economy. that is supposed to be just a breathing long for you to get on your feet. but you know, that's no one of the i m f does to global south country. no, i know that's not what the i'm it does, but the countries have to take responsibility. now what we'll be trying to do is give you an example of what we were trying to do. raise your revenues, so exports remittances raise the number of donna's coming in because i am, it only comes in when you have a shortage of dollars or you're going to con, goes into deficit. so we were trying to raise our revenues and gradually try to squeeze expenditure. this is what happens when a house goes into debt. now, what is happening right now is then when you are exposed to go start going down. when your remittance to start going down, in other words,

you're going to income goes down. you're in deep trouble because you're just taking loans, but you have no capacity to pay them back. if you, unless you grid, where are you going to pay your loss back? this is the crunch we've got stuck in right now. we have all these loans accumulating. we are boring money, which is why the other countries are 11, but i capacity to pay back has been reduced. so who is in control of pakistan that who is in control of those who want to do you harm? well, this government was brought in by the ex army chief that he was the army chief general model since then has been brought up by the stablish. but they're 12 parties collision which is forming this government, which means no one is enjoys. they're all over the place. if the establishment withdrew support from his government. if we're going to day, there's nothing to bind it together. it is just the stablish been keeping them

together, which is why i'm saying the situation is untenable. at the moment, there is so much political uncertainty, no one, just the government, the only way for a free and fair elections allow government government, which is public mandate. the confidence of the people that is a government then, which can start restructuring the economy, making difficult. they'd be on the got body and other people because he put his hand on the government, lost it in my legs and other people. plus it was another shooter in the front. so, but it's in the legs, man. i went on and then a bullet from the children front window, the head. so since then i've taken precautions. now i speak in front of a bullet proof screen and i ending precautions because the guys who plan these as a vision all in power, those who are supposed to defend me are the ones i am in the greatest danger from.

they of course deny that they say that they're protecting you clearly. what about you? explain the silence. then i mean the, the am your children's uncle is the you you came minister for overseas territories? not gold. now lord goldsmith, he, it's been on this show. why? no. why nothing from him? hello. yeah, the problems in pakistan has to be saw by the be blue, biggest on harvey. am i going to ask other countries look and you know, i was, i was asking, you know, i was wondering why they didn't volunteer to as you know, nature governments have a lot of talking about different countries in the global south. they just not talking about democracy in pakistan. all i want them, you know, countries abroad to talk about other, the greatest violation of human rights sticking base right now in my country. we actually have the worst form of fascism in this country, glam known on media gender is being put into jail. one of our best investigative

journalists are chetry, founded out in kenya, assassinated more of a top. janice had left the country and who killed i. shad sheree if you believe it was a that im and you the boss of the i i, i believe it was the same gang that tried to kill me. they would deny that. but you don't have the, the evidence assert whether this is this is a top pakistani john is killed in kenya after being in dubai. of course, for those who don't know him. so unless you have a proper investigation, how can you find the proofs? and when the investigation was going on, in my case, they came and sat judge on the bruce, this gum, and then destroyed all the, all the evidence that was collected so far has been destroyed. they have destroyed rejoined, investigating committee. this is, this is completely minister redone. why? because they are sitting in bower and didn't know where the investigation was eating,

same as with the jealous or should treated his his investigation as i've already been scuttled. would you do things differently? now i know that influence of con, local b, t i, leader in nav, eliana has been killed this week. members of your party are being killed. would you have done things differently as regards the military? the secret service is in pakistan, which you you after will lead luckiest on these structures. were there on the or leadership look we have and budget on. we have a history we gave the starter of the security state. we had this big fear off of nebo, 7 times our size. which beard ado dykus 3 wars against them. so they will, you know, we, the gundy nationally would have a fair that it by so not exist and you know, because the never was so huge and therefore it started off as

a security state. and then when i was a politician, most of the army came in and and boz marsha laws, we had 3 much lost out of the last 60 years ah, we've been ruled by the army and roughly all by these 2 families. so the democratic system still vol. ring is still has it all properly and we had us on let me just compete, we end the war on gender for almost 15 years. and that again to us more into the security stand by the agencies. this is the intelligence agencies played a huge order. so we are now trying to have more of a system. what is that equilibrium? at the moment it is only librium at the moment. in this case of this government, it is almost completely the establishment running the show of the nuclear weapons safe. absolutely. i think one thing there is a consensus in by august on it is on nuclear weapons because, you know,

everyone recognizes that that guarantees us security. so there is a consensus across body line. everyone. everyone focused on believes that we must keep them secure there and can you just said that those elements of the security state have been problematic over recent years. and yet they are in control of the nuclear weapons. the problems for the balance, for the military and the civilian relationship, that's where the problem is. it's not as far as the nuclear since i'm concerned there is a consensus august on that we need to look after them and get them secure. but that because that ensures our security and safety, well, as your family are attacked as your recovering from being shot, if you're under threat of assassination, how is it to view she, gen ping, visiting moscow and both putin and she, heralding almost

a new well daughter which seems to be very different at 1st sight to that that we've seen since 1945. i see, you know, great changes taking place. i mean, of course, the china and russia is one because it seems that the u. s. this policy is just pushing countries into last in their home. john, i brought together iran and saudi arabia. i think that's one of the best developments as far as my son is concerned, because it on as a never and saudi arabia is one of our closest friends for years. so them together eases tensions for us. we feel that it's a great step forward. but what i do not want these blocks developing countries like us, you choose either one side or the other because india has, i mustn't mind yes for the policy. the ideal non alignment when they were going

warren countries, when rocks, india sort of standards in the making itself a country which is non aligned and, and devoid intent relationship. but everyone, and that's what i want my son to be. we don't want to be like we were in the cold water, you were lined up with a u. s. and therefore we would not have relationship with the indict send relation blog which was with the with the soviet union. so now i would really like, for, from my son's point of view, we, you know, we need to have trade trade with her on trade with central asia right up to russia because thus these are our neighbors and china, of course. and one day i hope that we have trade with india and we have proper relationship with india once. hopefully the spiritual sword will just very, very briefly, if shabba sharif tried to follow those kinds of geopolitical policies, would he be subject to what you alleged you is subjected to by the bible administration? would he be overthrown?

if he wanted to be not aligned, he will love bravo shabazz sheaf and his brother and all scissors doughty is that they have billions of dollars lying outside august on, and western capital properties. they've got them got offshore accounts and what it is not just bug, a sunny politician lose dashed. money's laundry from the countries and do a western capital and offshore accounts. this is the problem with most of developing one and the moment, the leadership, as money outsiders gundy and the sort of billions of dollars. i'm afraid they can never take independent decisions. get or didn't have an independent foreign policy for the benefit of their own people. well, of course, all as politicians deny any wrong doing, they're all welcome to come on the show showman, prime minister, american. thank you and that's over the show will be back on monday. meanwhile, you can keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sensitive in your country and had to watch and going on the grantee on

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